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Here's a great article by my favourite journalist right now, Whitney Webb, about how the US is using coronavirus to
get rid of regulatory barriers to employing AI to spy on its citizens in order to 'compete with China's data collection'.
Its a very long read but totally worth it.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/national-security-state-using-coronavirus-push-artificial-intelligence-driven-mass-surveillance/266820/
Last year, a U.S. government body dedicated to examining how artificial intelligence can “address the national security and defense needs of the United States” discussed in detail the “structural” changes that the American economy and society must undergo in order to ensure a technological advantage over China, according to a recent document acquired through an FOIA request. This document suggests that the U.S. follow China’s lead and even surpass them in many aspects related to AI-driven technologies, particularly their use of mass surveillance.
This perspective clearly clashes with the public rhetoric of prominent U.S. government officials and politicians on China, who have labeled the Chinese government’s technology investments and export of its surveillance systems and other technologies as a major “threat” to Americans’ “way of life.”
In addition, many of the steps for the implementation of such a program in the U.S., as laid out in this newly available document, are currently being promoted and implemented as part of the government’s response to the current coronavirus (COVID-19) crisis. This likely due to the fact that many members of this same body have considerable overlap with the taskforces and advisors currently guiding the government’s plans to “re-open the economy” and efforts to use technology to respond to the current crisis.
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On September 03 2020 04:09 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 03:49 Starlightsun wrote:On September 03 2020 01:19 LegalLord wrote:On September 02 2020 15:12 Starlightsun wrote:
Well I don't agree at all. Pelosi caught being a Karen on her private time is not going to directly result in thousands choosing not to wear masks like the "consistent" Republican messaging has already done. Hypocrisy is a pretty good fast-track to getting people not to listen to your messaging. If there's one set of rules for the commoner and another for the elite, that destroys the messaging quite well. When the Republicans have been pushing the double standard message for a long time, and you just go and give it teeth like that... well. I mean she's not alone - the entire state of California had really strict quarantine measures until big, important businesses complained, at which point they keeled over and reversed it. But that could solidly be the nail in the coffin. Maybe I am naive, but I thought most Democrats who willingly wear masks do so not because the party tells them to but because that is what medical experts say. As to hypocrisy killing messaging, it doesn't seem to hurt the guy who's been shamelessly pandering to Christians despite being a lifelong adulterer, glutton and thief, and to the poor and working-class despite being as "the elite" as they come. Yeah democrat vs republican decision making is totally different. It is important to remember how many people screamed in support of the various covid treatments trump has pushed for. You may notice democrats don't tend to politicize viral medications. Fundamentally, conservative ideology/sociology mirrors a church form of hierarchy than modern forms. Reverence for leadership/authority/power is one of the worst components of conservative ideology.
Especially when reverence for authority has been increasingly untethered from a competence factor.
It’s also only a factor far as I can tell when in hierarchical top-down systems where overt power of some kind is present. Be it in school, the police or ye olde President.
Strangely doesn’t seem to apply when it’s authority of the expertise kind but from sources that don’t directly exert power on you. Scientists for example. Although big corporate types perhaps yes.
Anyway I’m making the distinction that of course it’s not all conservatives, merely my observations of the hardcore MAGA crowd.
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On September 03 2020 04:24 Wombat_NornIron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 04:09 Mohdoo wrote:On September 03 2020 03:49 Starlightsun wrote:On September 03 2020 01:19 LegalLord wrote:On September 02 2020 15:12 Starlightsun wrote:
Well I don't agree at all. Pelosi caught being a Karen on her private time is not going to directly result in thousands choosing not to wear masks like the "consistent" Republican messaging has already done. Hypocrisy is a pretty good fast-track to getting people not to listen to your messaging. If there's one set of rules for the commoner and another for the elite, that destroys the messaging quite well. When the Republicans have been pushing the double standard message for a long time, and you just go and give it teeth like that... well. I mean she's not alone - the entire state of California had really strict quarantine measures until big, important businesses complained, at which point they keeled over and reversed it. But that could solidly be the nail in the coffin. Maybe I am naive, but I thought most Democrats who willingly wear masks do so not because the party tells them to but because that is what medical experts say. As to hypocrisy killing messaging, it doesn't seem to hurt the guy who's been shamelessly pandering to Christians despite being a lifelong adulterer, glutton and thief, and to the poor and working-class despite being as "the elite" as they come. Yeah democrat vs republican decision making is totally different. It is important to remember how many people screamed in support of the various covid treatments trump has pushed for. You may notice democrats don't tend to politicize viral medications. Fundamentally, conservative ideology/sociology mirrors a church form of hierarchy than modern forms. Reverence for leadership/authority/power is one of the worst components of conservative ideology. Especially when reverence for authority has been increasingly untethered from a competence factor. It’s also only a factor far as I can tell when in hierarchical top-down systems where overt power of some kind is present. Be it in school, the police or ye olde President. Strangely doesn’t seem to apply when it’s authority of the expertise kind but from sources that don’t directly exert power on you. Scientists for example. Although big corporate types perhaps yes. Anyway I’m making the distinction that of course it’s not all conservatives, merely my observations of the hardcore MAGA crowd.
Don't forget it wasn't long ago that conservative Christians were still making a fuss over evolution and the age of the Earth. We've lost track of it over the years, but it is important to rub their noses in it every so often because it contextualizes the whining they are doing today.
Imagine, someone is telling you putting evolution in a textbook is discrimination. How much reverence do you think religious folks whining about evolution have for scientists? Ever since we wondered where the Earth is positioned in our universe, scientists have been a sore spot for religious people. Scientists always seem to have some way of getting under their skin and in fact defying the authority christians DO respect. So in many ways scientists are the opposite of authority.
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On September 03 2020 04:16 Wombat_NornIron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 03:49 Starlightsun wrote:On September 03 2020 01:19 LegalLord wrote:On September 02 2020 15:12 Starlightsun wrote:
Well I don't agree at all. Pelosi caught being a Karen on her private time is not going to directly result in thousands choosing not to wear masks like the "consistent" Republican messaging has already done. Hypocrisy is a pretty good fast-track to getting people not to listen to your messaging. If there's one set of rules for the commoner and another for the elite, that destroys the messaging quite well. When the Republicans have been pushing the double standard message for a long time, and you just go and give it teeth like that... well. I mean she's not alone - the entire state of California had really strict quarantine measures until big, important businesses complained, at which point they keeled over and reversed it. But that could solidly be the nail in the coffin. Maybe I am naive, but I thought most Democrats who willingly wear masks do so not because the party tells them to but because that is what medical experts say. As to hypocrisy killing messaging, it doesn't seem to hurt the guy who's been shamelessly pandering to Christians despite being a lifelong adulterer, glutton and thief, and to the poor and working-class despite being as "the elite" as they come. What you mention does rather baffle me at times. On this specific thing it’s hypocrisy on an issue that people have got hurt on. Aside from people abiding rules and not seeking haircuts, there’s barbers and salons who’ve closed and taken a financial hit. When someone flouts rules that they have some influence in, and espoused in such a manner it’s an absolute kick in the teeth and an incredibly arrogant and out of touch thing to do. People can put up with a lot if everyone is in the same boat, once it starts becoming a ‘one rule for them, another for us’ people stop playing ball. Overall the absolutely abysmal handling of things by the Trump administration is the much bigger problem, but on this front he’s never really flouted advice that he himself was espousing. On a purely pragmatic political front, why, why would you be caught doing something like this when an election is coming and Covid should be one of your main points of attack?
Yeah I don't know. Carelessness or arrogance I guess. Probably not expecting security cam footage.
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Biden telling trump to get off Twitter is extremely stupid. If Biden posted as personally and relatable as Trump does, it would help him a lot. People don't want some ahitty robot president; they want someone they believe in. I'd love it if Biden was old man typing a bunch of mean shit to Trump
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On September 03 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Biden telling trump to get off Twitter is extremely stupid. If Biden posted as personally and relatable as Trump does, it would help him a lot. People don't want some ahitty robot president; they want someone they believe in. I'd love it if Biden was old man typing a bunch of mean shit to Trump
I actually didn’t mind when Biden told that guy on the campaign trail to stop talking shite. Wouldn’t want it overdone in that vein by any means but it does see a bit of a relatable human side come through as opposed to overly polished operators. At least show some emotional investment in your job and what you’re trying to accomplish from time to time.
Hell especially with him making the odd gaffe, just run with it, the people don’t want slick and you’re not good at polished anyway.
With say Hillary Clinton emotional resonance was clearly detrimental to her campaign. With her I always got the sense that she isn’t particularly invested in much of this stuff, politics just happened to be something she was good at.
I’d love to actually sit down with some of these figures and pick their brains away from the public spotlight see what they’re like outside of trying to be relatable. I wonder if Clinton is much more likeable in such an environment, and it would be good to reunite after 22 years having met her as a child.
It takes only a cursory listening to old speeches and debates and the language and clear articulation or concepts and policy that today’s distilled political discourse has been diluted down and down to borderline simpleton levels. I think too far, where it’s not making it easier for more people to understand, but outright cutting out complexity.
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On September 03 2020 04:28 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 04:24 Wombat_NornIron wrote:On September 03 2020 04:09 Mohdoo wrote:On September 03 2020 03:49 Starlightsun wrote:On September 03 2020 01:19 LegalLord wrote:On September 02 2020 15:12 Starlightsun wrote:
Well I don't agree at all. Pelosi caught being a Karen on her private time is not going to directly result in thousands choosing not to wear masks like the "consistent" Republican messaging has already done. Hypocrisy is a pretty good fast-track to getting people not to listen to your messaging. If there's one set of rules for the commoner and another for the elite, that destroys the messaging quite well. When the Republicans have been pushing the double standard message for a long time, and you just go and give it teeth like that... well. I mean she's not alone - the entire state of California had really strict quarantine measures until big, important businesses complained, at which point they keeled over and reversed it. But that could solidly be the nail in the coffin. Maybe I am naive, but I thought most Democrats who willingly wear masks do so not because the party tells them to but because that is what medical experts say. As to hypocrisy killing messaging, it doesn't seem to hurt the guy who's been shamelessly pandering to Christians despite being a lifelong adulterer, glutton and thief, and to the poor and working-class despite being as "the elite" as they come. Yeah democrat vs republican decision making is totally different. It is important to remember how many people screamed in support of the various covid treatments trump has pushed for. You may notice democrats don't tend to politicize viral medications. Fundamentally, conservative ideology/sociology mirrors a church form of hierarchy than modern forms. Reverence for leadership/authority/power is one of the worst components of conservative ideology. Especially when reverence for authority has been increasingly untethered from a competence factor. It’s also only a factor far as I can tell when in hierarchical top-down systems where overt power of some kind is present. Be it in school, the police or ye olde President. Strangely doesn’t seem to apply when it’s authority of the expertise kind but from sources that don’t directly exert power on you. Scientists for example. Although big corporate types perhaps yes. Anyway I’m making the distinction that of course it’s not all conservatives, merely my observations of the hardcore MAGA crowd. Don't forget it wasn't long ago that conservative Christians were still making a fuss over evolution and the age of the Earth. We've lost track of it over the years, but it is important to rub their noses in it every so often because it contextualizes the whining they are doing today. Imagine, someone is telling you putting evolution in a textbook is discrimination. How much reverence do you think religious folks whining about evolution have for scientists? Ever since we wondered where the Earth is positioned in our universe, scientists have been a sore spot for religious people. Scientists always seem to have some way of getting under their skin and in fact defying the authority christians DO respect. So in many ways scientists are the opposite of authority.
There’s a consistent circular mindfuckery that makes absolute zero sense in totality, our biggest political party are that type of Christian conservative that doesn’t seem to mind poverty much but god forbid the gays be allowed to marry.
Don’t want sex ed in school, it’s the job of parents to do that. Do want religion in schools, despite you know, Churches existing and all that? Do love the Constitution and freedom of religion except all the stuff about freedom from one particular religion and separation of Church and State. Guns are a sweet idea, but better not give the poor healthcare. Let’s not even get fucking started on floating megachurch death fortresses that cost as much as Jeff Bezo’s daily accumulation of wealth.
It’s an unholy fucking mess of conflicting ideas, I’m surprised more of their heads don’t explode, Scanners style. Well, any of their heads to be more accurate I’m unaware of there even being one occurrence.
It’s very frustrating indeed that particular archetype. I have no particular problem with other Christians, even those who do have views on the likes of abortion or gay marriage that I disagree with, they’re still very decent people who adhere to the charitable spirt of the best that’s in the religion.
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On September 03 2020 07:08 Wombat_NornIron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Biden telling trump to get off Twitter is extremely stupid. If Biden posted as personally and relatable as Trump does, it would help him a lot. People don't want some ahitty robot president; they want someone they believe in. I'd love it if Biden was old man typing a bunch of mean shit to Trump I actually didn’t mind when Biden told that guy on the campaign trail to stop talking shite. Wouldn’t want it overdone in that vein by any means but it does see a bit of a relatable human side come through as opposed to overly polished operators. At least show some emotional investment in your job and what you’re trying to accomplish from time to time. Hell especially with him making the odd gaffe, just run with it, the people don’t want slick and you’re not good at polished anyway. With say Hillary Clinton emotional resonance was clearly detrimental to her campaign. With her I always got the sense that she isn’t particularly invested in much of this stuff, politics just happened to be something she was good at.
Emotional women are labeled as hysterical while emotional men are labeled passionate and "real".
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On September 03 2020 07:23 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 07:08 Wombat_NornIron wrote:On September 03 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Biden telling trump to get off Twitter is extremely stupid. If Biden posted as personally and relatable as Trump does, it would help him a lot. People don't want some ahitty robot president; they want someone they believe in. I'd love it if Biden was old man typing a bunch of mean shit to Trump I actually didn’t mind when Biden told that guy on the campaign trail to stop talking shite. Wouldn’t want it overdone in that vein by any means but it does see a bit of a relatable human side come through as opposed to overly polished operators. At least show some emotional investment in your job and what you’re trying to accomplish from time to time. Hell especially with him making the odd gaffe, just run with it, the people don’t want slick and you’re not good at polished anyway. With say Hillary Clinton emotional resonance was clearly detrimental to her campaign. With her I always got the sense that she isn’t particularly invested in much of this stuff, politics just happened to be something she was good at. Emotional women are labeled as hysterical while emotional men are labeled passionate and "real".
Emotional men are labeled as crazy and unhinged while emotional women are labeled as strong and "brave".
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Northern Ireland26764 Posts
On September 03 2020 07:23 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 07:08 Wombat_NornIron wrote:On September 03 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Biden telling trump to get off Twitter is extremely stupid. If Biden posted as personally and relatable as Trump does, it would help him a lot. People don't want some ahitty robot president; they want someone they believe in. I'd love it if Biden was old man typing a bunch of mean shit to Trump I actually didn’t mind when Biden told that guy on the campaign trail to stop talking shite. Wouldn’t want it overdone in that vein by any means but it does see a bit of a relatable human side come through as opposed to overly polished operators. At least show some emotional investment in your job and what you’re trying to accomplish from time to time. Hell especially with him making the odd gaffe, just run with it, the people don’t want slick and you’re not good at polished anyway. With say Hillary Clinton emotional resonance was clearly detrimental to her campaign. With her I always got the sense that she isn’t particularly invested in much of this stuff, politics just happened to be something she was good at. Emotional women are labeled as hysterical while emotional men are labeled passionate and "real".
There is something to that although since when has anyone called Clinton an emotional woman haha?
I do think that trope is gradually changing, slowly but surely. T’will take time. It’s definitely still a thing but the more women have positions of power throughout society I guess the more normalised women leaders are.
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On September 03 2020 07:42 Wombat_NornIron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2020 07:23 Mohdoo wrote:On September 03 2020 07:08 Wombat_NornIron wrote:On September 03 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Biden telling trump to get off Twitter is extremely stupid. If Biden posted as personally and relatable as Trump does, it would help him a lot. People don't want some ahitty robot president; they want someone they believe in. I'd love it if Biden was old man typing a bunch of mean shit to Trump I actually didn’t mind when Biden told that guy on the campaign trail to stop talking shite. Wouldn’t want it overdone in that vein by any means but it does see a bit of a relatable human side come through as opposed to overly polished operators. At least show some emotional investment in your job and what you’re trying to accomplish from time to time. Hell especially with him making the odd gaffe, just run with it, the people don’t want slick and you’re not good at polished anyway. With say Hillary Clinton emotional resonance was clearly detrimental to her campaign. With her I always got the sense that she isn’t particularly invested in much of this stuff, politics just happened to be something she was good at. Emotional women are labeled as hysterical while emotional men are labeled passionate and "real". There is something to that although since when has anyone called Clinton an emotional woman haha? I do think that trope is gradually changing, slowly but surely. T’will take time. It’s definitely still a thing but the more women have positions of power throughout society I guess the more normalised women leaders are.
He was saying Nobody calls her emotional because she is not allowed to show emotion
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Nancy Pelosi says she was set up and threw her hair stylist under the bus.
I think we've passed the point where having her in congress helps anything but getting enough votes for stuff like funding the concentration camps, building the wall, space force, warrantless domestic spying, etc...
Pelosi and San Francisco are a good example of what being "very liberal" amounts to imo.
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Keep digging yourself a deeper hole, Pelosi.
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It is amazing that the one thing that the one thing this group here on TLpolitics can agree on after this is that Pelosi is a scumbag. I keep up and I don't think I have seen something ever as uniting as this. Lol.
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On September 03 2020 07:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Nancy Pelosi says she was set up and threw her hair stylist under the bus. https://twitter.com/politico/status/1301273212043628551 I think we've passed the point where having her in congress helps anything but getting enough votes for stuff like funding the concentration camps, building the wall, space force, warrantless domestic spying, etc... Pelosi and San Francisco are a good example of what being "very liberal" amounts to imo.
LOL, amazing. god what a complete fool. just wear your mask and shut up pelosi. The drama some people are willing to endure for a chance to not wear a mask is amazing
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Portland had a little bit of a solution for its rioters. The prior course of action was sort of a catch and release policy. Rioters that were caught doing illegal acts were arrested, and soon released without bail. Many of the same people were arrested again and again only to be released and not charged with a crime.
The first proposal from Oregon governor Kate Brown was for regional law enforcement to go to Portland to help keep this peace. This was refused, because the Portland AG's office was refusing to prosecute people that broke the law. As one sheriff said, "Increasing law enforcement resources in Portland will not solve the nightly violence and, now, murder. The only way to make Portland safe again is to support a policy that holds offenders accountable for their destruction and violence." The relevant DA had been dropping charges associated with rioting.
So Kate Brown and others were powerless to do something that Ted Wheeler and the local DA's office would not do. Then, US Marshals started cross-deputizing the state police. That means that they are able to arrest rioters or violent protesters with federal crimes, and that goes under the head of the US Attorney's Office. Those guys are pretty gung-ho for prosecuting these offenses. It's probably not the last chapter in the saga of fireworks, lasers, and shields, but I think it's going to start bringing down the organized violence.
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See also: Partial thread of the usual far-left suspects mug shots+ Show Spoiler +
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Danglars, you need to understand that for many of us familiar with Ngo's past, attaching one of his tweets to your post makes it significantly less likely to be taken seriously or get a response.
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On September 03 2020 10:27 Mohdoo wrote:
Danglars, you need to understand that for many of us familiar with Ngo's past, attaching one of his tweets to your post makes it significantly less likely to be taken seriously or get a response.
I am well aware that a segment of this population attacks the person and not the evidence. Should you have no other response to my post than this snippet, maybe I think it’s no great loss indeed.
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