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Even if it was OK for the officer to shoot Jacob, there was simply no reason why SEVEN shots were fired.
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On August 27 2020 11:31 DucK- wrote:
Even if it was OK for the officer to shoot Jacob, there was simply no reason why SEVEN shots were fired.
One bullet is the same as the entire clip. It doesn't matter in this context, only the fact that at least one bullet was fired.
Going by what happened to the other officers in the shootings so far, nothing is going to happen.
Also:
Rumor right now, but the favorites to win the NBA championship this year may pull out of the season pending further action by NBA management.
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On August 27 2020 13:50 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 11:31 DucK- wrote:
Even if it was OK for the officer to shoot Jacob, there was simply no reason why SEVEN shots were fired. One bullet is the same as the entire clip. It doesn't matter in this context, only the fact that at least one bullet was fired. Going by what happened to the other officers in the shootings so far, nothing is going to happen. Also: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1298811949736701952Rumor right now, but the favorites to win the NBA championship this year may pull out of the season pending further action by NBA management.
Here's hoping it leads to a general strike (it probably won't [yet] but here's to hoping).
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On August 27 2020 13:50 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 11:31 DucK- wrote:
Even if it was OK for the officer to shoot Jacob, there was simply no reason why SEVEN shots were fired. One bullet is the same as the entire clip. It doesn't matter in this context, only the fact that at least one bullet was fired. Going by what happened to the other officers in the shootings so far, nothing is going to happen. Also: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1298811949736701952Rumor right now, but the favorites to win the NBA championship this year may pull out of the season pending further action by NBA management.
One bullet and the entire clip are quite different for the victim's chance of survival. You shoot someone one time in the torso, he will go down and probably be very badly injured, but chances are you miss a vital organ and with proper medical care will survive. That becomes a lot less likely if you shoot him 7 times.
Of course, cops in the USA shoot to kill, and as amui pointed out, whenever the hell they like. Unlike the rest of the civilized works, where cops shoot as an absolute last resort and only if the target poses an immediate danger (to the cop or to someone else).
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On August 27 2020 13:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 13:50 Lmui wrote:On August 27 2020 11:31 DucK- wrote:
Even if it was OK for the officer to shoot Jacob, there was simply no reason why SEVEN shots were fired. One bullet is the same as the entire clip. It doesn't matter in this context, only the fact that at least one bullet was fired. Going by what happened to the other officers in the shootings so far, nothing is going to happen. Also: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1298811949736701952Rumor right now, but the favorites to win the NBA championship this year may pull out of the season pending further action by NBA management. Here's hoping it leads to a general strike (it probably won't [yet] but here's to hoping).
Wow. Lebron James, leader of the general strike for racial justice. Who would have thought?
It is kind of nuts to think that if all it took was a video of a killing cop, then this was literally inevitable. There will be another video at some point in the next month, or two months, or three months. And another one after that.
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Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different.
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On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different.
Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know.
Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot.
If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details.
With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison.
It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc
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It's a mistake to think what is happening is about any individual murder/abuse by police, bad officer, or even bad department.
I could post countless videos of police showing exponentially more deference to white/white appearing suspects, but it's not even about that. If we could find a comparable pile of videos of cops brutilizing/killing white people while vaguely fearing for their life the conclusion isn't "that's policework" or "they need more training/reform". Were it not for their unique position as the domestic physical enforcement arm of capital they'd be readily identified as the gangs of thugs they are.
They are regularly caught collaborating and conspiring in crime and covering up their own crimes with little to no accountability. They brutalize and kill people (that are far too frequently unarmed and/or innocent) at the drop of a hat. Seize property and cash at gunpoint. Extort politicians/local governments. Rape and abuse women at a rate higher than the general population and so on...
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On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc
Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor?
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On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc
The young man with the gun was being told by the police in armed vehicles to get to safety, while the black protesters yelled at them to arrest him as he had shot into the crowd. You can talk about nuance all you want, this has nothing to do with that. The police are treating an unarmed black men as a threat to their life and an armed white potential murderer as an Allie worth protecting. If you set the bar at Floyd level of racist police murder, you are missing the reason why the US is going up in flames.
Also, no GH, this is not about capitalism. You don't need a revolution to solve this issue. Other countries don't kill their minorities and are not communist.
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On August 27 2020 20:57 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor?
The officers fucked up with Breonna Taylor. Bad things happen every day. There is only an illusion of safety.
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On August 27 2020 21:02 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc + Show Spoiler +
The young man with the gun was being told by the police in armed vehicles to get to safety, while the black protesters yelled at them to arrest him as he had shot into the crowd. You can talk about nuance all you want, this has nothing to do with that. The police are treating an unarmed black men as a threat to their life and an armed white potential murderer as an Allie worth protecting.
If you set the bar at Floyd level of racist police murder, you are missing the reason why the US is going up in flames. Also, no GH, this is not about capitalism. You don't need a revolution to solve this issue. Other countries don't kill their minorities and are not communist.
I'm sure there's some strategy you're proposing that hasn't consistently failed for the last several decades (or centuries)?
You're not entirely wrong about revolution being unnecessary though. Because it's basically only the threat of society completely collapsing that's ever moved this ball forward the entire history of the US. The current crop has not done anything to indicate they are going to pull back from the brink though and so far seem willing to push through the pandemic, depression, and uprising without caving to the pressure. Democrats nominating a cop and friend of segregationists given the whole racist cop situation is sorta emblematic of that.
On August 27 2020 21:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 20:57 Zambrah wrote:On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor? The officers fucked up with Breonna Taylor. Bad things happen every day. There is only an illusion of safety.
What happened to these pigs that "fucked up"?
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On August 27 2020 21:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 20:57 Zambrah wrote:On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor? The officers fucked up with Breonna Taylor. Bad things happen every day. There is only an illusion of safety.
Your last few posts show how much of a cop apologist you are and how misinformed/callous you are about people of color and their lives. The more you post, the more you come across as a complete and utter moron. If your first thought is "wait, what's all the details of both situations" when video evidence is right there for you, then you're lost and will remain so. Commenting on this topic is probably not something you should do going forward.
On August 27 2020 21:02 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc The young man with the gun was being told by the police in armed vehicles to get to safety, while the black protesters yelled at them to arrest him as he had shot into the crowd. You can talk about nuance all you want, this has nothing to do with that. The police are treating an unarmed black men as a threat to their life and an armed white potential murderer as an Allie worth protecting. If you set the bar at Floyd level of racist police murder, you are missing the reason why the US is going up in flames. Also, no GH, this is not about capitalism. You don't need a revolution to solve this issue. Other countries don't kill their minorities and are not communist.
Everything is about capitalism and the Democrats being evil. A "cop" being nominated as VP (never mind that qualified and seemingly competent lawyer is not even considered) is a smoke screen. It's all about capitalism and how the democracy is failing horribly. That revolution is the only answer because they say it is and anything else is wrong, is all you need to understand. You could ask "why did the chicken cross the road?" and GH would reply "to escape the brutal capitalistic system that didn't care about the brown chickens and only wanted to exploit it for egg and poultry."
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On August 27 2020 22:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 21:26 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 20:57 Zambrah wrote:On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor? The officers fucked up with Breonna Taylor. Bad things happen every day. There is only an illusion of safety. Your last few posts show how much of a cop apologist you are and how misinformed/callous you are about people of color and their lives. The more you post, the more you come across as a complete and utter moron. If your first thought is "wait, what's all the details of both situations" when video evidence is right there for you, then you're lost and will remain so. Commenting on this topic is probably not something you should do going forward. For Sadist to remain silent and to give in to you and your bullying does not advance the cause to get to the root of the issue.
On August 27 2020 21:02 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc + Show Spoiler +The young man with the gun was being told by the police in armed vehicles to get to safety, while the black protesters yelled at them to arrest him as he had shot into the crowd. You can talk about nuance all you want, this has nothing to do with that. The police are treating an unarmed black men as a threat to their life and an armed white potential murderer as an Allie worth protecting. If you set the bar at Floyd level of racist police murder, you are missing the reason why the US is going up in flames. Also, no GH, this is not about capitalism. You don't need a revolution to solve this issue. Other countries don't kill their minorities and are not communist.
On August 27 2020 22:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Everything is about capitalism and the Democrats being evil. A "cop" being nominated as VP (never mind that qualified and seemingly competent lawyer is not even considered) is a smoke screen. It's all about capitalism and how the democracy is failing horribly. That revolution is the only answer because they say it is and anything else is wrong, is all you need to understand. You could ask "why did the chicken cross the road?" and GH would reply "to escape the brutal capitalistic system that didn't care about the brown chickens and only wanted to exploit it for egg and poultry."
The most unfortunate part is that you are so poorly equipped to actually discuss the role of capitalism in any given issue and instead just resort to repeating that I raise the relationship frequently as if the strawman that you mention with that refrain doesn't embarrass you
That you ridicule Sadist and immediately go into your own cop apologist rhetoric is a little too on the nose though.
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On August 27 2020 21:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 20:57 Zambrah wrote:On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor? The officers fucked up with Breonna Taylor. Bad things happen every day. There is only an illusion of safety.
Lol, Christ, what are you even trying to achieve here, complete police incompetence and police brutality being regularly demonstrated warrants a, “bad things happen every day” with the obvious implication being that we just accept it and move on.
Fuck that, these disgusting cretins should serve the hardest time we have for their blatant murder of POC, they don’t have the right to utilize any force let alone be allowed to dick about their communities with the ability to pull out a gun and shoot someone seven fucking times in the back without reason.
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On August 27 2020 22:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 22:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 27 2020 21:26 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 20:57 Zambrah wrote:On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor? The officers fucked up with Breonna Taylor. Bad things happen every day. There is only an illusion of safety. Your last few posts show how much of a cop apologist you are and how misinformed/callous you are about people of color and their lives. The more you post, the more you come across as a complete and utter moron. If your first thought is "wait, what's all the details of both situations" when video evidence is right there for you, then you're lost and will remain so. Commenting on this topic is probably not something you should do going forward. For Sadist to remain silent and to give in to you and your bullying does not advance the cause to get to the root of the issue. Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 21:02 Broetchenholer wrote:On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc The young man with the gun was being told by the police in armed vehicles to get to safety, while the black protesters yelled at them to arrest him as he had shot into the crowd. You can talk about nuance all you want, this has nothing to do with that. The police are treating an unarmed black men as a threat to their life and an armed white potential murderer as an Allie worth protecting. If you set the bar at Floyd level of racist police murder, you are missing the reason why the US is going up in flames. Also, no GH, this is not about capitalism. You don't need a revolution to solve this issue. Other countries don't kill their minorities and are not communist. Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 22:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Everything is about capitalism and the Democrats being evil. A "cop" being nominated as VP (never mind that qualified and seemingly competent lawyer is not even considered) is a smoke screen. It's all about capitalism and how the democracy is failing horribly. That revolution is the only answer because they say it is and anything else is wrong, is all you need to understand. You could ask "why did the chicken cross the road?" and GH would reply "to escape the brutal capitalistic system that didn't care about the brown chickens and only wanted to exploit it for egg and poultry." The most unfortunate part is that you are so poorly equipped to actually discuss the role of capitalism in any given issue and instead just resort to repeating that I raise the relationship frequently as if the strawman that you mention with that refrain doesn't embarrass you That you ridicule Sadist and immediately go into your own cop apologist rhetoric is a little too on the nose though.
Let's see here. Sadist is actively performing a disservice to the conversation by trying to downplay how fucked up the situation was that Jacob Blake was shot 7 times in the back for something that may or may not have happened, whereas he's remained awfully silent on the 17-year old white kid who shot 3 people, killing two. Who also went home, slept, and then turned himself in the next day, even though he approached officers with an assault rifle.
Looking further into my post, in no way did I apologize for Harris being a cop. I stated she is also a lawyer that shouldn't have that accomplishment undermined because she doesn't jive with your style of revolutionary politics. I also said what I said to pmh because he was trying to have a conversation and learn/understand something that isn't familiar to him. He is actively wanting to learn and understand. Sadist is apologizing/looking for excuses as to why the cops fired 7 shots point blank into a man's back.
I'd also say that I could discuss the political machinations of capitalism and what that feeds into our system, both positive and negative, but it gets nowhere with you because you don't care to hear any differing opinions if it isn't about revolution, or someone sucking you off on your supposed superiority on the topic. I can pick and choose which discussions to be part of, as you've seen.
Anything else, good sir?
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I mean, that's a pretty good answer to the question though - there's probably no species anywhere that suffers as much under capitalism as the chicken does.. 
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On August 27 2020 21:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2020 20:57 Zambrah wrote:On August 27 2020 19:46 Sadist wrote:On August 27 2020 16:25 Broetchenholer wrote:
Analyzing anything about the specifics of the black victim is kinda pointless if you see how the white people are treated in the same week. The guy that shot 2 protestors was miraculously not shot in the back. One man might have been reaching for a knife in the car with his 3 children, the other was holding an semi automatic long weapon, people were yelling that he had shot people. And if i just tell you that and that one of those was shot 7 times, which one would it have been? The circumstances are not relevant. The bar is different. Many guys had rifles walking around. Did the police see that guy shoot someone or were they called in a response to a shooting? I honestly dont know. Context matters here. You can bet if the guy with the rifle resisted arrest and made the officers feel endangered hed have been shot. If we rush to judgement and are wrong we lose credibility. Its important to be correct about this stuff. It may very well have been unjustified and the officer should go to jail be we dont know all the details. With George Floyd we didnt need all the details because they were irrelevant. The issue was having your knee placed on a mans neck while he was already subdued. That went on for minutes. This shooting was a split second by comparison. It may not be a good idea to lump this guy in with Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, George Floyd, etc Why is the white kid with the rifle less frightening than a black person literally doing nothing wrong in their own fucking home like Breonna Taylor? The officers fucked up with Breonna Taylor. Bad things happen every day. There is only an illusion of safety.
Could you provide an example of an historical event or system, which were terrible in nature , where you can't use this "excuse"?
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