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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 05 2020 05:27 Nouar wrote: In other news, it is NOT going well currently for McSally in her run for Arizona Senate this fall. The latest Fox News poll has her democratic "challenger", Kelly, at 50% vs 37%. She already lost in 2018 against Sinema, then was appointed as a replacement, but facing off against an even stronger frontrunner, it seems she is losing her footing. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-ahead-in-arizona-kelly-trouncing-mcsally-in-senate-race It's been consistently going down for her since last year, and the margins are starting to look really steep to climb back from. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/senate/az/arizona_senate_mcsally_vs_kelly-6801.html The Senate looks like it will be really tight (I'm betting on a 50/50 senate with Pence breaking the tie after the elections, which would be an awful scenario.) She's run bad campaigns from the start. I don't see her winning the election. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On June 05 2020 06:00 Uldridge wrote: Westernization is pretty much a relic from the cultural rape that happened around those times. I wish we left Africa and Asia and America alone. The world would've been so much richer. Well, China and Japan were actually quite stale, which is why it happened. Btw you're talking about the myth of the noble savage which is a really "white" pov. Good one tho. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4600 Posts
As for the myth of the noble savage, no I'm not. I do think the other civilizations would have thrived and influenced each other, perhaps some would have fallen, perhaps there would've been an African civilization trying to conquor Europe or the Middle East. I'm not talking about some "innate good". For all we know the South American cultures could've overthrown us all if they had another 500 years to manifest without being wiped out by colonization, disease and pillaging. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
We're coming full circle aren't we ? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4600 Posts
Point is, The West raped most the world. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On June 05 2020 05:24 Uldridge wrote: I mean sure, there exists a black gay coal miner, but the specifics are not about his race. If you're telling me that black homosexual coal miners get unfairly targeted by police, put in more hazardous situations than their colleagues (or get less of a premium, or it's harder to obtain for them - I don't actually know the specific english terms regarding health insurance or that the he has less of a chance of marrying as opposed to white homosexuals, then it's a race thing sure. Has race been a major topic of discussion during those issues? If so, I'm sorry about not being as considerate yet. Sometimes certain groups have more pressing matters to fight for maybe? I don't know man. I think it's difficult for a caucasian centric culture to have a viewpoint other than its caucasianized center. Just like Asian cultures will have an asian centric viewpoint and African cultures have their african centric viewpoint. Again, I come with the word difficult, because not many people are equipped to just flip a switch and start from a cultural relativistic point of view. I know and understand the concepts, but I'm not exercised in it well enough to just put myself in other culture's shoes. That I don't know enough people around me that are culturally different doesn't help me. Out of curiosity, what constitutes as acting right and what do white people systematically do that's not as acting right? Sorry if I'm (seemingly) obtuse, trying to get to the nitty gritty here. I didn't know I was opposing BLM for being too racially focused? If this is where I stated that not everything is inextricably bound to race? I'm not sure what you're trying to ask with your reply. Accounting for many things makes things too complex because you're bound to miss a beat and then it's another few decades of issues for these demograpics. Or things move to a halt because you can't appease everyone and nothing happens, which causes the cycle to restart. Focusing on singular things is more coherent. If black coal miners are systematically treated worse than non black coal miners (show me a coal miner that's not black amirite?), it's definitely a relevant issue. If they're not, why tie race into it? It's worth noting, since you're discussing other minority movements, that black feminists have often been critical of the mainstream feminist movement for consistently failing to give equal attention or support for specific issues affecting black women as opposed to white women (and it's been acknowledged that they have a point), and black members of the LGBT community have likewise voiced similar concerns. If you look into these things you'll often find race isn't talked about but is nonetheless influential. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On June 05 2020 05:24 Uldridge wrote: I mean sure, there exists a black gay coal miner, but the specifics are not about his race. If you're telling me that black homosexual coal miners get unfairly targeted by police, put in more hazardous situations than their colleagues (or get less of a premium, or it's harder to obtain for them - I don't actually know the specific english terms regarding health insurance or that the he has less of a chance of marrying as opposed to white homosexuals, then it's a race thing sure. Has race been a major topic of discussion during those issues? If so, I'm sorry about not being as considerate yet. Sometimes certain groups have more pressing matters to fight for maybe? I don't know man. I think it's difficult for a caucasian centric culture to have a viewpoint other than its caucasianized center. Just like Asian cultures will have an asian centric viewpoint and African cultures have their african centric viewpoint. Again, I come with the word difficult, because not many people are equipped to just flip a switch and start from a cultural relativistic point of view. I know and understand the concepts, but I'm not exercised in it well enough to just put myself in other culture's shoes. That I don't know enough people around me that are culturally different doesn't help me. Out of curiosity, what constitutes as acting right and what do white people systematically do that's not as acting right? Sorry if I'm (seemingly) obtuse, trying to get to the nitty gritty here. I didn't know I was opposing BLM for being too racially focused? If this is where I stated that not everything is inextricably bound to race? I'm not sure what you're trying to ask with your reply. Accounting for many things makes things too complex because you're bound to miss a beat and then it's another few decades of issues for these demograpics. Or things move to a halt because you can't appease everyone and nothing happens, which causes the cycle to restart. Focusing on singular things is more coherent. If black coal miners are systematically treated worse than non black coal miners (show me a coal miner that's not black amirite?), it's definitely a relevant issue. If they're not, why tie race into it? I think i conflated your conversation with another parallel conversation. isn't the entire civil rights movement predicated on the fact that black folks across all other spectrums are sytematically treated worse than non blacks? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On June 05 2020 06:42 Uldridge wrote: I don't know, would I be a descendant of this culture or a descendant of a family that was forced into slavery? Point is, The West raped most the world. The West definitly owned most of the world at some point. Just like Qin owned the rest of China by force. Might makes right. If you're going to cry about wars fought by western nations, i'd like to remind you that war wasn't a concept entirely strange in others cultures. Was it a cultural rape though ? Some would view the propagation of christianity by portuguese in Asia as such, but i'm fairly certain those cultures are still alive and well. Also the culture from oversea really changed ours, you could read Vermeer's hat which describes it perfectly. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23923 Posts
On June 05 2020 02:50 puppykiller wrote: I agree with each point you made. Can we at least try this for the thread to see how the All Lives Matter crowd react. If they react the way you say I will take back my post. Acknowledge we are both working towards the same goal. Acknowledge we have different peaceful means. Acknowledge that each side meeting it's goal is a step forward. Acknowledge that we are allies, if All Lives Matter throws a protest, we will attend because we support the cause... so if they do and we show that token of good faith, they should feel comfortable to come to our protest. We don't have to chant "All Lives Matter" and they don't have to chant "Black Lives Matter", but we can still be allies. The middle group can unite and the extremes (the far and few that only care about white or black lives) lose their control over the situation. If there was a scenario were All Lives Matter was an activist organisation with similar goals to BLM then sure, they should try and pull in the same direction and ally. It is merely a slogan, which at best is woefully ineffective in motivating changes, and at the worst is actively used by racists and the far right to redirect things away from the grievances of BLM. Perhaps it’s my rather eclectic social media presence and what I’m exposed to, which is absolutely seeing people saying ALM who don’t want reform or don’t think there is a profile. You may not be exposed to this but it absolutely is brazenly obvious when you encounter it coming from certain corners of society. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15401 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Includes gems like ' the phony protestors in Lafayette park were not real, they are terrorists using idle hate filled students to destroy' 'snowflake governors and mayors are wetting themselves in the use of force' ' why didn't you bomb Suleimani sooner' + Show Spoiler + The irony of GOP sharing a Tiananmen square remembrance and Trump posting 'the protestors are not real they are terrorists' on the same day... | ||
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Zambrah
United States7126 Posts
On June 05 2020 09:17 Mohdoo wrote: I think McConnell, Graham and McSally are all going to lose. The momentum is nowhere near in their favor at the moment. Don't tease me with the prospect of McConnell getting yeeted out of office, you're displaying a lot of faith in the electorate, and its such a tease. God help me, I will buy a whole chocolate cake and it the shit out if til Im nauseated if it happens though. Maybe light some fireworks. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8940 Posts
On June 05 2020 10:07 Zambrah wrote: Don't tease me with the prospect of McConnell getting yeeted out of office, you're displaying a lot of faith in the electorate, and its such a tease. God help me, I will buy a whole chocolate cake and it the shit out if til Im nauseated if it happens though. Maybe light some fireworks. Pray this is sustained til close to the election then. Otherwise it will be forgotten, people still won't exercise the right to vote, and we're no better than we were when this all started essentially. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7126 Posts
On June 05 2020 10:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Pray this is sustained til close to the election then. Otherwise it will be forgotten, people still won't exercise the right to vote, and we're no better than we were when this all started essentially. Thats effectively my mindset. Americans are real quick to forget and forgive and repeat any and all mistakes as often and hard as they can in my mind. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8940 Posts
On June 05 2020 10:10 Zambrah wrote: Thats effectively my mindset. Americans are real quick to forget and forgive and repeat any and all mistakes as often and hard as they can in my mind. Think of what the next distraction could be then wait. I'm betting it's the return of sports in some capacity. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32737 Posts
This discussion over short memories in the American electorate has me wondering with how quickly the pandemic seems to have faded with the past week's events. There's been a chunk of recent polling suggesting Biden will perform better than Hillary among some important demographics like white women and seniors, but I'd be wondering if this is a short-lived burst and not a sustained lead Biden will hold until November. And as usual, caveats with polling and the many changes that can happen between now to November. If voters start to feel like the economy's recovering, the worst of the pandemic passed and can't harness the anger of this week, I'd suspect the lead to shrink to more balanced levels. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22737 Posts
On Tuesday, Fletcher published a lengthy Twitter thread saying the police department was “irredeemably beyond reform,” and a “protection racket” that slows down responses as political payback. “Several of us on the council are working on finding out what it would take to disband the Minneapolis Police Department www.citypages.com | ||
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Zambrah
United States7126 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On June 05 2020 12:50 Zambrah wrote: What are you a fucking prophet or something? I wonder if this is going to be a wide spread thing No, no chance. And there's no way this will actually happen. But it's a fascinating development that people are discussing it. | ||
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