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On May 30 2020 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Police in the US are cowardly bullies imo. If they are so scared they should get a different job where their irrational fears don't get innocent people dead.
I think this is largely true based on the people who I knew in High School and University that went into that profession, as well as my interactions with them (same is true for schoolteachers, sadly). The problem with this, and most cases, is that because the media selectively elevates ones that create racial divisions nothing actually can be done to solve the problems.
You can manipulate the stats to try and demonstrate that police are super racist (the 12% population stat), but there are equally good, or better stats that demonstrate the opposite (such as the 51% of murders and 50% of aggravated assault with a weapon stats). Doing so will only result in polarization that prevents implementation of policies that fix things. Its also important to note that in places like Minneapolis, and most of the places where such riots and incidents occur, the protesters/rioters don't actually disagree with the people in power about anything. 100% of the Minneapolis leadership is left leaning, as are almost 100% of the protesters and rioters, much of the leadership there is also black. They aren't protesting the establishment, the protests are a force projection from the establishment.
And that, along with the lack of coherent points of protest is while they will not accomplish anything. I've seen some memes comparing the riots to the Boston Tea Party. Rarely would I take such a thing seriously, but its just so wrong it deserves being crushed. We need not speculate why the colonists rebelled, they wrote a nice summary for us in the Declaration of Independence, which has a detailed list of grievances. They were all official acts of the king or his high level officers like governors, generals, and appointed magistrates. They were not because of a rogue British soldier shooting people. Indeed, John Adams, who no one could confuse as a loyalist, famously served as the defense attorney to British soldiers accused of unlawful shootings.
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On May 30 2020 04:34 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 04:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 30 2020 03:53 Nyxisto wrote:On May 30 2020 03:22 Gorsameth wrote:
The situation with police killings in the US is not a result of how dangerous the US is. Its because of the police. I think it's very wrong to think of these situations as mono-causal. There can be multiple reasons why the police the way they behave. There is obviously virulent racism within the American police, but also the job of American police officers is significantly more dangerous than in any other developed country, given the high degree of violence in some areas. In Germany say, in the entire post-war era slightly less than 400 police officers have been killed. In the US that happens every three to four years. Killed how? Because that sounds wildly inaccurate/misleading. Source? Killed in the line of duty. Here's a source for the US.
If you're just talking about the generic danger of dying while working they aren't even top 10. Those numbers you cited include them having heart attacks at the donut shop, accidents, etc. I don't think that's how the German numbers are calculated?
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On May 30 2020 04:44 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Police in the US are cowardly bullies imo. If they are so scared they should get a different job where their irrational fears don't get innocent people dead. I think this is largely true based on the people who I knew in High School and University that went into that profession, as well as my interactions with them (same is true for schoolteachers, sadly). The problem with this, and most cases, is that because the media selectively elevates ones that create racial divisions nothing actually can be done to solve the problems. You can manipulate the stats to try and demonstrate that police are super racist (the 12% population stat), but there are equally good, or better stats that demonstrate the opposite (such as the 51% of murders and 50% of aggravated assault with a weapon stats). Doing so will only result in polarization that prevents implementation of policies that fix things. Its also important to note that in places like Minneapolis, and most of the places where such riots and incidents occur, the protesters/rioters don't actually disagree with the people in power about anything. 100% of the Minneapolis leadership is left leaning, as are almost 100% of the protesters and rioters, much of the leadership there is also black. They aren't protesting the establishment, the protests are a force projection from the establishment. And that, along with the lack of coherent points of protest is while they will not accomplish anything. I've seen some memes comparing the riots to the Boston Tea Party. Rarely would I take such a thing seriously, but its just so wrong it deserves being crushed. We need not speculate why the colonists rebelled, they wrote a nice summary for us in the Declaration of Independence, which has a detailed list of grievances. They were all official acts of the king or his high level officers like governors, generals, and appointed magistrates. They were not because of a rogue British soldier shooting people. Indeed, John Adams, who no one could confuse as a loyalist, famously served as the defense attorney to British soldiers accused of unlawful shootings.
Finally, a quality post...
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On May 30 2020 04:44 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Police in the US are cowardly bullies imo. If they are so scared they should get a different job where their irrational fears don't get innocent people dead. I think this is largely true based on the people who I knew in High School and University that went into that profession, as well as my interactions with them (same is true for schoolteachers, sadly). The problem with this, and most cases, is that because the media selectively elevates ones that create racial divisions nothing actually can be done to solve the problems. You can manipulate the stats to try and demonstrate that police are super racist (the 12% population stat), but there are equally good, or better stats that demonstrate the opposite (such as the 51% of murders and 50% of aggravated assault with a weapon stats). Doing so will only result in polarization that prevents implementation of policies that fix things. Its also important to note that in places like Minneapolis, and most of the places where such riots and incidents occur, the protesters/rioters don't actually disagree with the people in power about anything. 100% of the Minneapolis leadership is left leaning, as are almost 100% of the protesters and rioters, much of the leadership there is also black. They aren't protesting the establishment, the protests are a force projection from the establishment. And that, along with the lack of coherent points of protest is while they will not accomplish anything. I've seen some memes comparing the riots to the Boston Tea Party. Rarely would I take such a thing seriously, but its just so wrong it deserves being crushed. We need not speculate why the colonists rebelled, they wrote a nice summary for us in the Declaration of Independence, which has a detailed list of grievances. They were all official acts of the king or his high level officers like governors, generals, and appointed magistrates. They were not because of a rogue British soldier shooting people. Indeed, John Adams, who no one could confuse as a loyalist, famously served as the defense attorney to British soldiers accused of unlawful shootings.
Regarding your third paragraph I suggest you use your search engine of choice with the key words black lives matter demands and tell us again whether you consider the lack of an agenda is a reason for the failure of this kind of protest.
The Minneapolis mayor did not really look poc to me but that might be the calibration of my monitor.
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On May 30 2020 04:44 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Police in the US are cowardly bullies imo. If they are so scared they should get a different job where their irrational fears don't get innocent people dead. ... John Adams, who no one could confuse as a loyalist, famously served as the defense attorney to British soldiers accused of unlawful shootings.
I'm sure Farv is familiar with the Boston Massacre and John Adams' role...
He referred to the crowd that had provoked the soldiers as "a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes, and molattoes, Irish teagues and outlandish Jack Tarrs" ...
Adams also described the former slave Crispus Attucks, saying "his very look was enough to terrify any person" and that "with one hand [he] took hold of a bayonet, and with the other knocked the man down."[69] However, two witnesses contradict this statement, testifying that Attucks was 12-15 feet away from the soldiers when they began firing, too far away to take hold of a bayonet.[68] Adams stated that it was Attucks' behavior that, "in all probability, the dreadful carnage of that night is chiefly to be ascribed."[69] He argued that the soldiers had the legal right to fight back against the mob and so were innocent. If they were provoked but not endangered, he argued, they were at most guilty of manslaughter.[70] Farah Peterson, of The American Scholar, states that Adams' speeches during the trial show that his strategy "was to convince the jury that his clients had only killed a black man and his cronies, and that they didn’t deserve to hang for it."[68]
The jury agreed with Adams' arguments and acquitted six of the soldiers after 2½ hours of deliberation.
en.wikipedia.org
Stem to stern, this is America, always has been.
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On May 30 2020 05:31 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 04:44 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2020 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Police in the US are cowardly bullies imo. If they are so scared they should get a different job where their irrational fears don't get innocent people dead. I think this is largely true based on the people who I knew in High School and University that went into that profession, as well as my interactions with them (same is true for schoolteachers, sadly). The problem with this, and most cases, is that because the media selectively elevates ones that create racial divisions nothing actually can be done to solve the problems. You can manipulate the stats to try and demonstrate that police are super racist (the 12% population stat), but there are equally good, or better stats that demonstrate the opposite (such as the 51% of murders and 50% of aggravated assault with a weapon stats). Doing so will only result in polarization that prevents implementation of policies that fix things. Its also important to note that in places like Minneapolis, and most of the places where such riots and incidents occur, the protesters/rioters don't actually disagree with the people in power about anything. 100% of the Minneapolis leadership is left leaning, as are almost 100% of the protesters and rioters, much of the leadership there is also black. They aren't protesting the establishment, the protests are a force projection from the establishment. And that, along with the lack of coherent points of protest is while they will not accomplish anything. I've seen some memes comparing the riots to the Boston Tea Party. Rarely would I take such a thing seriously, but its just so wrong it deserves being crushed. We need not speculate why the colonists rebelled, they wrote a nice summary for us in the Declaration of Independence, which has a detailed list of grievances. They were all official acts of the king or his high level officers like governors, generals, and appointed magistrates. They were not because of a rogue British soldier shooting people. Indeed, John Adams, who no one could confuse as a loyalist, famously served as the defense attorney to British soldiers accused of unlawful shootings. Regarding your third paragraph I suggest you use your search engine of choice with the key words black lives matter demands and tell us again whether you consider the lack of an agenda is a reason for the failure of this kind of protest. The Minneapolis mayor did not really look poc to me but that might be the calibration of my monitor.
The first link I found has a list, the first on the list a demand for "Ending the War on Black People". This vague term is then followed with a bunch of proposals that really aren't all that related to police shootings save for the nebulous, and probably not true claim that there is "mass surveillance in communities of color". To the extent that there is increased policing in black communities, this is consistently demanded by elders in that community (aka voters). Demand 2 is reparations, demand 3 is mostly about universal heathcare, demand 4 relates to the tax code. These things are almost wholly divorced from the problem of police brutality. While some of these things are things that interest the Black American statistically, because they are statistically poorer, they aren't coherently related to the issue.
Again, I'd say that by racializing the legitimate topic of police violence, based on (IMO) a poor understanding of statistics, they significantly lessen the chance of solving the problem.
Regarding your comment on the mayor of Minneapolis, he isn't black, but many people in power are. There are 13 counsel members, a picture of them on the Counsel webpage indicates 4 are black. The combined black-hispanic population in the city is about 30%, so they are almost perfectly represented based on statistics.
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On May 30 2020 06:17 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 05:31 Artisreal wrote:On May 30 2020 04:44 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2020 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Police in the US are cowardly bullies imo. If they are so scared they should get a different job where their irrational fears don't get innocent people dead. I think this is largely true based on the people who I knew in High School and University that went into that profession, as well as my interactions with them (same is true for schoolteachers, sadly). The problem with this, and most cases, is that because the media selectively elevates ones that create racial divisions nothing actually can be done to solve the problems. You can manipulate the stats to try and demonstrate that police are super racist (the 12% population stat), but there are equally good, or better stats that demonstrate the opposite (such as the 51% of murders and 50% of aggravated assault with a weapon stats). Doing so will only result in polarization that prevents implementation of policies that fix things. Its also important to note that in places like Minneapolis, and most of the places where such riots and incidents occur, the protesters/rioters don't actually disagree with the people in power about anything. 100% of the Minneapolis leadership is left leaning, as are almost 100% of the protesters and rioters, much of the leadership there is also black. They aren't protesting the establishment, the protests are a force projection from the establishment. And that, along with the lack of coherent points of protest is while they will not accomplish anything. I've seen some memes comparing the riots to the Boston Tea Party. Rarely would I take such a thing seriously, but its just so wrong it deserves being crushed. We need not speculate why the colonists rebelled, they wrote a nice summary for us in the Declaration of Independence, which has a detailed list of grievances. They were all official acts of the king or his high level officers like governors, generals, and appointed magistrates. They were not because of a rogue British soldier shooting people. Indeed, John Adams, who no one could confuse as a loyalist, famously served as the defense attorney to British soldiers accused of unlawful shootings. Regarding your third paragraph I suggest you use your search engine of choice with the key words black lives matter demands and tell us again whether you consider the lack of an agenda is a reason for the failure of this kind of protest. The Minneapolis mayor did not really look poc to me but that might be the calibration of my monitor. The first link I found has a list, the first on the list a demand for "Ending the War on Black People". This vague term is then followed with a bunch of proposals that really aren't all that related to police shootings save for the nebulous, and probably not true claim that there is "mass surveillance in communities of color".
Are you familiar with COINTELPRO (how it became public) and "Black Identity Extremists"?
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Flynn's call transcripts are out and they confirm that his discussions with Kislyak were innocuous and provided no basis for a counterintel or criminal suspicion, even if Flynn wasn't being 100% forthright with Pence after the FBI leaked the call details to the press in order to generate some activity in the matter. It's hard to overstate how trivial Flynn's "lie" to the FBI interviewers was (him saying he "doesn't remember" if sanctions were discussed), especially given how innocuous the conversation was. Flynn was actually focused on the expulsions of diplomats rather than sanctions.
The artificiality of the entire Flynn case (investigators consciously orchestrating the progression and events of the case) is grounds for deep suspicion about the operation Comey, Brennan and Clapper were running.
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On May 30 2020 06:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Flynn's call transcripts are out and they confirm that his discussions with Kislyak were innocuous and provided no basis for a counterintel or criminal suspicion, even if Flynn wasn't being 100% forthright with Pence after the FBI leaked the call details to the press in order to generate some activity in the matter. It's hard to overstate how trivial Flynn's "lie" to the FBI interviewers was (him saying he "doesn't remember" if sanctions were discussed), especially given how innocuous the conversation was. Flynn was actually focused on the expulsions of diplomats rather than sanctions.
The artificiality of the entire Flynn case (investigators consciously orchestrating the progression and events of the case) is grounds for deep suspicion about the operation Comey, Brennan and Clapper were running.
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FBI directly asked him about expulsions of diplomats... what was literally said in this released transcript and he denied all of it or 'could not remember'. He's clearly lying dude. He pleaded guilty to lying because he did.
From https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-special-counsel-releases-flynn-302
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/DbNQcyN.png)
And if you read this 'Oh and about your hacking, they will punish you for it but once the current administration is gone we'll fix it' type of conversation as innocuous then I don't know what to say.
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On May 30 2020 06:40 Doodsmack wrote:Flynn's call transcripts are out and they confirm that his discussions with Kislyak were innocuous and provided no basis for a counterintel or criminal suspicion, even if Flynn wasn't being 100% forthright with Pence after the FBI leaked the call details to the press in order to generate some activity in the matter. It's hard to overstate how trivial Flynn's "lie" to the FBI interviewers was (him saying he "doesn't remember" if sanctions were discussed), especially given how innocuous the conversation was. Flynn was actually focused on the expulsions of diplomats rather than sanctions. The artificiality of the entire Flynn case (investigators consciously orchestrating the progression and events of the case) is grounds for deep suspicion about the operation Comey, Brennan and Clapper were running. https://twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1266472133410070532 The very picture you link says what we already knew. That Flynn talked to Kislyak about the sanctions and tried to get Russia to back off from escalating. Something he was not allowed to do at the time (talk policy) and what he denied to Pence and the FBI.
How do you think this is a got-ya moment that defends Flynn when it entirely confirms the facts of the case against him?
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On May 30 2020 07:53 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 06:40 Doodsmack wrote:Flynn's call transcripts are out and they confirm that his discussions with Kislyak were innocuous and provided no basis for a counterintel or criminal suspicion, even if Flynn wasn't being 100% forthright with Pence after the FBI leaked the call details to the press in order to generate some activity in the matter. It's hard to overstate how trivial Flynn's "lie" to the FBI interviewers was (him saying he "doesn't remember" if sanctions were discussed), especially given how innocuous the conversation was. Flynn was actually focused on the expulsions of diplomats rather than sanctions. The artificiality of the entire Flynn case (investigators consciously orchestrating the progression and events of the case) is grounds for deep suspicion about the operation Comey, Brennan and Clapper were running. https://twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1266472133410070532 The very picture you link says what we already knew. That Flynn talked to Kislyak about the sanctions and tried to get Russia to back off from escalating. Something he was not allowed to do at the time (talk policy) and what he denied to Pence and the FBI. How do you think this is a got-ya moment that defends Flynn when it entirely confirms the facts of the case against him?
Yes, the picture is consistent with what I'm saying. Flynn talked to Kislyak about the sanctions - as any incoming presidential administration would and should do. Asking a foreign government to respond reciprocally but not severely to sanctions is what he should do (or at the very least is a good faith act that is completely innocuous). I mean we can just use common sense and assume that incoming administrations are routinely in contact with foreign governments, in general. Do you really think an incoming administration shouldn't provide a sense of how it is inclined to act in that situation?
We're not in a good situation if the FBI is predicating a criminal investigation of an incoming administration on the Logan Act, as you propose. The FBI gets his phone transcript for free, leaks it to the press (let's be honest), then goes on to police the conversations White House officials have among one another and with the press. Any inconsistencies in those conversations are grounds for an investigative interview by the FBI. It's pretty clear there's a problem here.
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On May 30 2020 07:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 06:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Flynn's call transcripts are out and they confirm that his discussions with Kislyak were innocuous and provided no basis for a counterintel or criminal suspicion, even if Flynn wasn't being 100% forthright with Pence after the FBI leaked the call details to the press in order to generate some activity in the matter. It's hard to overstate how trivial Flynn's "lie" to the FBI interviewers was (him saying he "doesn't remember" if sanctions were discussed), especially given how innocuous the conversation was. Flynn was actually focused on the expulsions of diplomats rather than sanctions.
The artificiality of the entire Flynn case (investigators consciously orchestrating the progression and events of the case) is grounds for deep suspicion about the operation Comey, Brennan and Clapper were running.
h FBI directly asked him about expulsions of diplomats... what was literally said in this released transcript and he denied all of it or 'could not remember'. He's clearly lying dude. He pleaded guilty to lying because he did. From https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-special-counsel-releases-flynn-302And if you read this 'Oh and about your hacking, they will punish you for it but once the current administration is gone we'll fix it' type of conversation as innocuous then I don't know what to say. https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1266468183520751621
On May 30 2020 07:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 06:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Flynn's call transcripts are out and they confirm that his discussions with Kislyak were innocuous and provided no basis for a counterintel or criminal suspicion, even if Flynn wasn't being 100% forthright with Pence after the FBI leaked the call details to the press in order to generate some activity in the matter. It's hard to overstate how trivial Flynn's "lie" to the FBI interviewers was (him saying he "doesn't remember" if sanctions were discussed), especially given how innocuous the conversation was. Flynn was actually focused on the expulsions of diplomats rather than sanctions.
The artificiality of the entire Flynn case (investigators consciously orchestrating the progression and events of the case) is grounds for deep suspicion about the operation Comey, Brennan and Clapper were running.
h FBI directly asked him about expulsions of diplomats... what was literally said in this released transcript and he denied all of it or 'could not remember'. He's clearly lying dude. He pleaded guilty to lying because he did. From https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-special-counsel-releases-flynn-302And if you read this 'Oh and about your hacking, they will punish you for it but once the current administration is gone we'll fix it' type of conversation as innocuous then I don't know what to say. https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1266468183520751621
For one thing this is not the original 302, it's the one redrafted by Strzok, as he stated in a text message. The original 302 found no evidence that Flynn lied. When Flynn says "I don't remember" that's much more difficult for the government to prove intent to lie. In any case, there's still the problem that the conversation was innocuous. Nothing close to "Oh and about your hacking, they will punish you for it but once the current administration is gone we'll fix it" was said. The FBI is going to him and asking whether he recalls telling Russia to respond reciprocally but not severely. This is not normal.
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Brooklyn and parts of California are apparently getting feisty too. This is gonna go on all weekend.
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Good. It is of extreme importance that everyone learns police only have the power we give them. They are below us, not above. They are only allowed to do what we consent to them doing. The current culture in the US glorifies police as if they are not only special, but a moral authority. I want that aspect of our culture to be destroyed as much as possible. Burning down precincts and stuff like that is an essential part to breaking down the image that our country has of police. The abuse towards minorities is untenable. Remember kneeling? Remember all the millions of other peaceful protests? Look at the number of minorities killed by cops this year and tell me it is working. People have the right to live. People have the right to feel safe. Police have destroyed that feeling for me and many other minorities. In the absence of any other solution, riots are the only thing left.
All I know is that if I feel what I feel as a Hispanic, Black People in America are living a nightmare. They have it much worse than we do. Much, much, much worse.
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On May 30 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:Good. It is of extreme importance that everyone learns police only have the power we give them. They are below us, not above. They are only allowed to do what we consent to them doing. The current culture in the US glorifies police as if they are not only special, but a moral authority. I want that aspect of our culture to be destroyed as much as possible. Burning down precincts and stuff like that is an essential part to breaking down the image that our country has of police. The abuse towards minorities is untenable. Remember kneeling? Remember all the millions of other peaceful protests? Look at the number of minorities killed by cops this year and tell me it is working. People have the right to live. People have the right to feel safe. Police have destroyed that feeling for me and many other minorities. In the absence of any other solution, riots are the only thing left. All I know is that if I feel what I feel as a Hispanic, Black People in America are living a nightmare. They have it much worse than we do. Much, much, much worse.
Well said. This one black man is tired. When you wake a sleeping giant, it isn't a beautiful sight. These protests need to last through summer. Make sure this is the American Summer (as opposed to Arab Spring) and make the changes denied, reality.
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Selected quotes from Minneapolis rioters last night (Unicorn Riot):
+ Show Spoiler +"We're tearing shit up for him[George Floyd]."
"Ain't nothing left here, so when we start coming to the suburbs, when we come to the government center, then what ya'll gonna do?"
"Fuck white people. They bad as fuck bro. Blacks and browns united bro."
"We gonna fuck ya'll up. One of ours, two of yours. There's more of us than you, bitch. What's up? Exactly. We comin' for ya'll ******. Next time, this[burning building] is your house. We comin' to your house right now *****."
"Ya’ll don’t understand yet. Burn all this old shit, and we’ll be able to talk about new stuff. The city gonna rebirth itself."
"At the end of the day, this country was built by white people for white people, and no matter how much we fuck shit up, it ain’t never gonna change dog."
Tonight might be more destructive, unfortunately.
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I just wonder will they be able to affect change without leadership and concrete demands?
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On May 30 2020 12:00 Starlightsun wrote:
I just wonder will they be able to affect change without leadership and concrete demands?
History has shown riots to be the most effective form of social change. Many, many times. If enough people get angry, things change, as they always have. That's why you're seeing such a big effort to make sure this doesn't balloon. Once critical mass is reached, all the government can do is kneel.
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On May 30 2020 11:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:Good. It is of extreme importance that everyone learns police only have the power we give them. They are below us, not above. They are only allowed to do what we consent to them doing. The current culture in the US glorifies police as if they are not only special, but a moral authority. I want that aspect of our culture to be destroyed as much as possible. Burning down precincts and stuff like that is an essential part to breaking down the image that our country has of police. The abuse towards minorities is untenable. Remember kneeling? Remember all the millions of other peaceful protests? Look at the number of minorities killed by cops this year and tell me it is working. People have the right to live. People have the right to feel safe. Police have destroyed that feeling for me and many other minorities. In the absence of any other solution, riots are the only thing left. All I know is that if I feel what I feel as a Hispanic, Black People in America are living a nightmare. They have it much worse than we do. Much, much, much worse. Well said. This one black man is tired. When you wake a sleeping giant, it isn't a beautiful sight. These protests need to last through summer. Make sure this is the American Summer (as opposed to Arab Spring) and make the changes denied, reality.
Really banking on no Covid outdoor transmission then? From my POV riots in a pandemic don't seem like the greatest idea. Given how vulnerable minority populations have already been, you'll kill more black men in a single year with protests than have been killed by cops in a half century.
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