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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
On May 29 2020 23:16 PoulsenB wrote: Dear US of A, are you alright? Do you need help? Sincerely, a concerned EU citizen. Nope, and we never have been. Yes, but I’m not sure how. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 29 2020 22:51 Xxio wrote: Catching up on news. 170 buildings damaged or looted. Incredible what media narrative can create.For what it's worth I sincerely hope there will be no violence and the rioting and looting stops. You’re ridiculous, and LA riots was 20x worse, calm down. The fact that you agree with Trumps response means you also agree to the 1960’s racist police chief of Miami saying the same thing and igniting race riots in South Florida. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-quotes-cop-sparked-race-riot-tweet-2020-5 | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
On May 29 2020 23:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: At least the Minnesota National Guard understand the gravity of the situation, and have claimed their role is “Our troops are trained to protect life, preserve property and ensure people’s right to peacefully demonstrate,” The folks I know who serve have said a lot of very good stuff today, I’m encouraged by how few are following the lead of people of like Xxio. I’m a slut for ken burns docs, but I highly recommend folks check out the series on the Vietnam War. There’s tons of highly relevant stuff to the context in which US demonstrations take place. On a related note, anyone wanna guesstimate what fraction of the 2 trillion stimulus bill will end up being the cost of damage done to property? Will it hit even .5%? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8960 Posts
On May 29 2020 23:48 farvacola wrote: The folks I know who serve have said a lot of very good stuff today, I’m encouraged by how few are following the lead of people of like Xxio. I’m a slut for ken burns docs, but I highly recommend folks check out the series on the Vietnam War. There’s tons of highly relevant stuff to the context in which US demonstrations take place. On a related note, anyone wanna guesstimate what fraction of the 2 trillion stimulus bill will end up being the cost of damage done to property? Will it hit even .5%? That's a FEMA issue and shouldn't be included in the stimulus bill at all. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On May 29 2020 23:16 PoulsenB wrote: Dear US of A, are you alright? Do you need help? Sincerely, a concerned EU citizen. no, yes  | ||
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Vivax
21951 Posts
On May 29 2020 23:48 farvacola wrote: The folks I know who serve have said a lot of very good stuff today, I’m encouraged by how few are following the lead of people of like Xxio. I’m a slut for ken burns docs, but I highly recommend folks check out the series on the Vietnam War. There’s tons of highly relevant stuff to the context in which US demonstrations take place. On a related note, anyone wanna guesstimate what fraction of the 2 trillion stimulus bill will end up being the cost of damage done to property? Will it hit even .5%? Do you think the stimulus would cover that? It's kind of the insurances business. Then maybe if there's anything left after the Icahns of America dump their investments for a premium (one of the latest stories). From a financial aspect, America is being looted mostly at the financial level, and a tiny fraction in the streets. | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
On May 30 2020 00:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: That's a FEMA issue and shouldn't be included in the stimulus bill at all. Oh, I'm not suggesting that stimulus measures include riot relief, I'm simply pointing out that "property" and the value we afford it are rather fluid things that can inflame passions or pass by entirely without notice, depending on the context. On May 30 2020 00:23 Vivax wrote: Do you think the stimulus would cover that? It's kind of the insurances business. Then maybe if there's anything left after the Icahns of America dump their investments for a premium (one of the latest stories). From a financial aspect, America is being looted mostly at the financial level, and a tiny fraction in the streets. Totally agree. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8960 Posts
I agree with Vivax as well. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Just try to imagine the outrage if white people were even improperly detained by police. Black folks get strangled, or they get a knee to the neck. Or they get shot 8 times. Take your pick. What you're seeing is tame. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On May 30 2020 00:23 Vivax wrote: . From a financial aspect, America is being looted mostly at the financial level, and a tiny fraction in the streets. https://www.theonion.com/protestors-criticized-for-looting-businesses-without-fo-1843735351 | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8960 Posts
On May 30 2020 00:53 NewSunshine wrote: Imagine genuinely believing the notion that black folks, who have zero guarantee of not being arbitrarily murdered by the police on any given day, should deserve to be called "the worst of society" for it as well. Just try to imagine the outrage if white people were even improperly detained by police. Black folks get strangled, or they get a knee to the neck. Or they get shot 8 times. Take your pick. What you're seeing is tame. The movie Rosewood is a good idea of what it would be like. A bit extreme, but it should serve as a general idea I think. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On May 30 2020 00:53 NewSunshine wrote: I present to you The Shooting of Daniel Shaver. Bodycam footage. No riots. "Brailsford[the officer] was reinstated to the Mesa Police Department in August 2018, then over a month later was granted retirement on medical grounds, as well as a pension of $2,500 per month."Imagine genuinely believing the notion that black folks, who have zero guarantee of not being arbitrarily murdered by the police on any given day, should deserve to be called "the worst of society" for it as well. Just try to imagine the outrage if white people were even improperly detained by police. Black folks get strangled, or they get a knee to the neck. Or they get shot 8 times. Take your pick. What you're seeing is tame. Riots Destroy $30M Affordable Housing Project "The six-story, 190-unit affordable housing project had been slated to open in the spring of 2021." I don't think claiming that this kind of violence was done in George Floyd's memory justifies the action. Anyone can cloak their violent, destructive desires with an appeal for compassion. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 29 2020 06:34 Sermokala wrote: I think people know me pretty well as a pro cop guy who sides against these mass protests. I actually knew the guy who shot philando castile personally. This one is just super extra though. MLPS is as bad as the LAPD and has been for a long time. There was even a rampart like scandal with a metro gang strike force. The union head would fit in well with any kkk or neo nazi group. The guy didn't kill someone in a split second mistake or make a poor judgement call. The guy just sat his knee on someones neck in front of a crowd and murdered him with everyone watching. For those that are wondering there is a real potential for stuff to change. There is no way the MLPS union survives the way it is. St. Paul is going to burn tonight and tomarrow the national guard is going to be on the streets. Just want to quote this. This forces is being revealed to be just as awful as made out in this post. This particular PD seems to be the absolute worst of the worst. I'm not sure even the LAPD in the 90s would've arrested the black reporter on camera 2 blocks away from a white reporter that they totally ignored. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9234 Posts
On May 30 2020 01:00 Xxio wrote: I present to you The Shooting of Daniel Shaver. Bodycam footage. No riots. "Brailsford[the officer] was reinstated to the Mesa Police Department in August 2018, then over a month later was granted retirement on medical grounds, as well as a pension of $2,500 per month." Riots Destroy $30M Affordable Housing Project "The six-story, 190-unit affordable housing project had been slated to open in the spring of 2021." I don't think claiming that this kind of violence was done in George Floyd's memory justifies the action. Anyone can cloak their violent, destructive desires with an appeal for compassion. Just as the NRA says violent people getting a gun doesnt mean gun owners are evil, people protesting are not deligitimized by other people using the protest. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8960 Posts
On May 30 2020 01:00 Xxio wrote: I present to you The Shooting of Daniel Shaver. Bodycam footage. No riots. "Brailsford[the officer] was reinstated to the Mesa Police Department in August 2018, then over a month later was granted retirement on medical grounds, as well as a pension of $2,500 per month." Riots Destroy $30M Affordable Housing Project "The six-story, 190-unit affordable housing project had been slated to open in the spring of 2021." I don't think claiming that this kind of violence was done in George Floyd's memory justifies the action. Anyone can cloak their violent, destructive desires with an appeal for compassion. I kind of feel like you're missing the point here. How many riots were performed when a sports team won a title? There weren't calls for the national guard to come out and police in full riot gear. There wasn't someone in public office calling them thugs. They were just celebrating. This is a systemic issue. Floyd's death was the spark but it has been boiling for weeks/months now. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9486 Posts
Of course, the media is more interested in what Trump said than the racist cops, but most people I've spoken to thankfully don't see it that way. Maybe the world is learning what Trump is now. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10640 Posts
On May 30 2020 01:00 Xxio wrote: I present to you The Shooting of Daniel Shaver. Bodycam footage. No riots. "Brailsford[the officer] was reinstated to the Mesa Police Department in August 2018, then over a month later was granted retirement on medical grounds, as well as a pension of $2,500 per month." Riots Destroy $30M Affordable Housing Project "The six-story, 190-unit affordable housing project had been slated to open in the spring of 2021." I don't think claiming that this kind of violence was done in George Floyd's memory justifies the action. Anyone can cloak their violent, destructive desires with an appeal for compassion. From what i could gather white people get shot just as often as black people by the police. But black people are overpoliced so... In general there are just absurd amounts of unjustified deaths by cop in the US and a general tendency to ridiculous excess of force. Yes, it also happens in europe. But these seem to be very insular cases that people talk years about, in the US you can find one every few weeks if not more? | ||
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Vivax
21951 Posts
It's pretty simple really. Epstein had collected enough names to be able to bring down the entire political system if disclosed. Now the entire US political system is at the mercy of his handlers who can extort whatever they want, and these are the ramifications. Their goals or motives or identity one can only guess. Even if you were a politician who had nothing to do with him you already become guilty by association if someone else in the same party did, and you'd cause an international crisis. So he had to go, at a hefty price. It's at least the theory that works best at explaining why Trump doesn't care how batshit he sounds, how his impeachment got foiled, and why Biden seems to try his hardest to look awful. The blackmailers want another Trump term I'd guess. | ||
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