US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2150

On February 27 2020 10:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
FDR was Antisemitic af, into eugenics, and didn't support anti-lynching legislation for fear it would upset southerners.

Andrew Jackson was genocidal against the domestic population.

It isn't as if him and his political opposition simply had a disagreement, in many cases they were literally working with the CIA to kill or overthrow him. I've yet to get citations on the killings people are alleging but the like I said the jailing and killing of political opposition was literally cited as a reason for the drug war and that destroyed millions of lives.



They've preferred assassination mostly after the genocide of the indigenous people living here. But MLK, Fred Hampton, and others were shot by conspiracies involving the federal government.

I do wonder how many times the US government could conspire to kill you and overthrow your government before the paranoia would be overwhelming for anyone

On February 27 2020 11:21 JimmiC wrote:
Capitalism is not intended to have equality, but is supposed to be about people who work harder, smarter so on get rewarded for that hard work.

On February 27 2020 02:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:

It's kind of dumb to claim you are a socialist in America though. Especially when in fact you are the archetype of the social-democrat.

I understand that it's calculated and that it allows him to build a base of millenials with romantic dreams of The Revolution and ending capitalism and I see why it's good idea to let them fantasize while working on basically making the US look a little more like Denmark, but it gives a shitloads of ammo to the republicans and centrist democrats who can just portray him as, well, a socialist. Which, again, in american terminology, he is obviously not.

On February 27 2020 12:38 Sermokala wrote:

Yes they did terrible things. And then when their time came they left office peacefully. For all the sins FDR and andrew jackson had the clear consent of the people. Meanwhile Castro was no less then a king of old.

On February 27 2020 14:04 Wegandi wrote:


Yeah, he's only a social-democrat...except we have 40+ years of him on record. Let's not be too daft here.

https://www.facebook.com/Reason.Magazine/videos/656221331852047/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2d3DMC6qyg

On February 27 2020 13:59 Wegandi wrote:
Highlighting literacy rates when talking about Cuba is like Trump saying there's good people on both sides. I mean, how aloof do you have to be to act like that's a reasonable position when it comes to Cuba. Ignore all this other shit-show of killings, starvation, poverty that always accompanies socialism, look literacy! Like, Capitalist countries are just a bunch of doofuses that can't read or something. It's astonishing frankly, and a bit frightening the lengths people will go to, to keep their delusions and self-worth alive. GH and people like Bernie are opposite poles from rational thinking people. It's never socialism's fault, it's always that other group, or country, keeping us down (amazing how capitalist countries don't have this problem...). If only we could get rid of them, utopia will be ours.

On February 27 2020 14:20 Wombat_NI wrote:

Hardly a unique phenomenon, China is to blame, NAFTA is to blame, its those pesky Mexicans, it’s the EU who’s keeping the UK down.

Depending on what one means by employing the ‘s word’ I’d personally be of the opinion, maybe it doesn’t work. I think it could, and lean in that direction rather heavily, but I’d countenance that possibility.

It’s a relatively minuscule snapshot in history when folks gave it a shot and that was hardly free from interference from imperial powers.

Maybe my kid’s newly-built sandcastle is doomed to crumble into the onrushing tide, but if I stamp it down and shout ‘see, it can never work, no dreams allowed’ he’ll not look at me too favourably.

On February 27 2020 14:11 GreenHorizons wrote:


Genocide and slavery for Jackson, refusing Jewish refugees during WWII because he believed in Eugenics, stripping Japanese (and some other asian people they thought looked Japanese) of their rights to be thrown in internment camps, and failing to support anti-lynching legislation while people were being dragged out of police custody and murdered/mutilated in the street by gangs of vigilantes with no consequences to name a couple of the terrible things they did.

They can only be said to have had "the clear consent of the people" after you casually erase the humanity of countless people living in the country, more so in Jackson's case where neither the victims of his genocidal campaign or his desire to preserve slavery can be considered to have given their consent.

As to leaving peacefully FDR dropped dead during his 4th term and Jackson left office due to health reasons leaving a hand picked successor.



It is one reason the social Democrats are lucky to have me around to remind folks Bernie is definitely not a communist, not even a socialist (though he seems persuadable sometimes). He is most definitely a social Democrat.

On February 27 2020 14:34 Wegandi wrote:


Have you ever taken a step back and wondered why "rich imperial" states are generally liberal (in its original meaning)? Wealth-creation is what capitalism does, and with more wealth comes more power, and unfortunately, people are very poor at restricting State-power, hence, a generally freer economic system with a Government leads to high standard of living and a lot of wealth, which then devolves into the State becoming larger and taking more of that wealth with foreign entanglements, imperialism, etc. That's how the British came to rule the world, and now the US for the last 65 years. Like always though, the parasite kills the host. That's why the UK is a shell of its former self and the US will follow in its footsteps.

This is why I am a market anarchist (also, it's just an ethically better ideal, but I digress), because unlike Nozick, the empirical evidence of a State co-existing with capitalism leads to those imperial powers you talk of, but if I had to choose the life of an individual, one in an imperial power is about a billion times better than anyone in a socialist country. It's why I'd run to the polls to vote for Trump over Bernie even when I despise Trump.

Socialist countries are poor, not because of the "other", but because it's a system that does everything it can to kill wealth creation. Idiots like Trump can try to blame the other, but come on, the life of someone in the US is not in any way comparable to the unfortunate souls in socialist countries.

On February 27 2020 20:09 nojok wrote:

Sanders would not even be classified as a leftist in France by the way.

On February 27 2020 21:04 PoulsenB wrote:
What is the tl;dr on the Bernie and Cuba situation, what kind of comments did he make/defend?

On February 27 2020 21:39 farvacola wrote:
On an unrelated note, let's all take a moment to appreciate that the man who oversaw one of the worst outbreaks of HIV in Indiana history is now in charge of the US coronavirus response.