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JimmiC
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 05 2019 05:10 JimmiC wrote: I thought this editorial from Garry Kasparov was a very interesting read. He ends up taking on the most powerful countries in the world US, Russia and China. I think it is interesting how he compares what it was like in the USSR before the wall came down and how it is now in the US. I also thought it was interesting how he takes a bite out of Apple and Google on them bending to Authoritarian regimes. "there is no news in the truth and no truth in the news." is a great line as well. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/opinions/kasparov-trump-america-post-truth-world/index.html ‘ The internet was supposed to shine the light of truth into every corner of the world, breaking the authoritarians' monopoly on information. But it has also become a light-speed delivery system of lies and propaganda. The web has been chopped into pieces. Like a shattered mirror, each fragment reflects a different distorted image instead of a single reality’ Have honestly never heard it put better. Entirely reflects my disappointment over what the internet promised and what it delivered. He’s entirely right on this point. | ||
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WombaT
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JimmiC
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WombaT
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On December 05 2019 05:26 JimmiC wrote: Yes you can see why he was Chess champion he is clearly a brilliant man with some great insights given where he has lived in what times. Also very brave given that Germany just expelled Russian diplomats because they are convinced they had someone killed there. I'm going to look to read more from him in the future. He’s a good combination of exceedingly smart, (far smarter than I am anyway) and seems to have a moral compass and doesn’t give a fuck about being rich and especially influential. Pretty good combo to have for someone commentating on various issues. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On December 05 2019 05:10 JimmiC wrote: I thought this editorial from Garry Kasparov was a very interesting read. He ends up taking on the most powerful countries in the world US, Russia and China. I think it is interesting how he compares what it was like in the USSR before the wall came down and how it is now in the US. I also thought it was interesting how he takes a bite out of Apple and Google on them bending to Authoritarian regimes. "there is no news in the truth and no truth in the news." is a great line as well. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/opinions/kasparov-trump-america-post-truth-world/index.html kasparov, as far as i know, still hasnt explained his advocacy of Fomenko’s New Chronology which posits that history is a lie and that the Middle Ages never happened etc. So he’s got some nerve to talk about facts as if we had access to an unmediated reality “out there” that we can know. look at kasparov’s extraordinary “reasoning skills” in this interview | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On December 05 2019 05:17 Wombat_NI wrote: Where previously we had flawed and biased central sources of information, now we have a million shit sources and expect people to be able to ascertain what’s bullshit and what’s real on their own. Yes, precisely. Couple that with multiple generations that are still around that do not have the skills in any way, shape, or form to be able to tell good information from bad information, and in some cases refuse to learn the skills to do so or listen to those who do have these skills, and we're left with a gigantic mess of a situation. It's difficult to explain to someone all the garbage they see on Facebook is probably wrong when that person won't listen in the first place because the source they use that lies to them constantly also tells them that others will say the source is lying. Many of the major social media companies have either inadvertently or intentionally created platforms that are basically tailor-made for disinformation campaigns because so many of the platforms cordon off people into their bubbles and only feed them information they will agree with while never pointing out "hey this page contains factual issues was actually created by some dudes in Macedonia simply looking to make money off gullible people". Popping the bubble these people have been put into would make them likely to not trust, and potentially slow their usage, of the platform, so it's in the best interest of these companies to keep the status quo even if it is damaging to society in other ways. People like to point to large media organizations like Fox News or the various tabloids in UK for destroying the foundation of journalism, but they're only part of the problem. Facebook and the like are just as responsible for these issues, and it seems that many of the major platforms have essentially abdicated all responsibility for their content while also insisting they should be able to continue on as is and make money without dealing with the problems they have created. One story recently I've been following that is a small example of this issue is how Zuckerberg and Facebook have decided to handle election/political advertising. Other platforms like Twitter have decided to simply ban all political advertising to avoid the whole "free speech" argument, but Facebook has instead said that they will not pull any first-party political advertising, even if it contains demonstrable falsehoods. They point to free speech while doing so despite this policy going against pretty much every advertising standard there is, and prevents the person from being targeted from countering the demonstrable lie. Why this is a dangerous policy and how it's going to be abused should be pretty obvious. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12619 Posts
So I said, excuse me, can you explain to me and to other people, how come that the entire – while the official language was Greek and everybody presumably spoke Greek, I mean ordinary people – how come they used Latin documents for jurisdiction, for the court, for official documents, because you can’t use an unknown language in the courtroom where you solve the problems of all the people. Now he said... it’s a mystery we haven’t solved yet." Lol. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On December 05 2019 06:03 JimmiC wrote: Here he goes into more detail in 2006, I don't think his answer is that unreasonable. It is from a Russian paper so google translate. http://www.kasparov.ru/material.php?id=44FE98F9E4576 ah the russian language interview. in any case you can see how an “analytical mind” can lead just as easily to an obsession with conspiracy as it does to anything else. how does a plane, after all, end up melting solid steel? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 05 2019 06:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Noah Feldman, professor of law at Harvard, gave a very eloquent and thorough 10-minute statement about the history of impeachment, how Trump explicitly committed several high crimes and misdemeanors, and should be impeached. By now, it's abundantly clear that any Congressperson not in favor of impeaching or removing Trump is either in denial or has some ulterior motive for not wanting to carry out their Constitutional duty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZdxJr6ofJA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR19PWjQ9hNRNX3gIuXBzNF00Hi2Qq7901dEvcg6KCVA1mzKvDGdEx5u54M Very little of this is new. Trump shouldn’t have been elected in the first place, if not legally his record of fucking the little guy should have been political poison. Trump University alone should have torpedoed him being President, that it didn’t is baffling. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1102 Posts
On December 05 2019 03:44 Wombat_NI wrote: What’s so bad with Bernie or bust though? Depends how it manifests I suppose. ‘Not quite as bad as the other person’ is the sluice valve to placate people who want change, whatever that change may be. Some people will drop their ostensible preferences to find a partner as they find that preferable to being lonely, others prefer being lonely to being with someone that doesn’t tick their boxes. Both are reasonable and logical choices depending on the persons involved IMO. A crude analogy yes but I like my crude and barely applicable analogies. The analogy is fine, except for one key point. In politics, you don’t get the choice to be lonely. If you can’t find the partner you’re looking for, you are forced into a marriage for four years anyways with someone that other people have decided on. When you add that part back in, choosing not to make a choice looks a lot less appealing for everyone. At that point, you should go with the best available and see if you can upgrade in a few years. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12619 Posts
On December 05 2019 06:39 JimmiC wrote: You understand that he is saying that the historian said "it's a mystery we haven't solved yet" right? Just about everywhere in Europe most important documents were written in latin regardless of what language people talked, until like centuries later. The language wasn't unknown, like he said, because latin was the language of education, so everyone that received an education, which means everyone that mattered, knew latin. What the common plebs knew or didn't know was entirely irrelevant to everyone involved. He either made up that answer by the historian or the historian really wanted to get away from him as fast as possible. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On December 05 2019 06:38 Belisarius wrote: "kasparov, as far as i know, still hasnt explained his advocacy of X" Interview is posted where he explains X "ah [dismissive statement implying prior knowledge]. [invocation of totally unrelated conspiracy implying association/stupidity] We done here? i didnt imply prior knowledge. that would contradict my AFAIK, wouldnt it? a fairer implication is: ah, i dont read russian if kasparov doesnt believe any of that, fine by me. i still question his judgment in allowing himself to be associated w such a crank, being used in the introduction to his crank book, etc. what’s more, i think his 2001 interview gives a good sense of how the man thinks (or at least used to think) like an amateur conspiracy theorist. i stress the “amateur” part because he tends to ask silly questions that have good answers that he just hasn’t looked hard enough for. of course, he grew up in the USSR so we have to give him some leeway. putin probably would kill him if a good opportunity presented itself | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
Even if kasparov is an incredible chess player with a brillant mind, i'd probably wouldn't take history lessons from him. Latin was used until Gutenberg came around. | ||
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