EPTHeck, if he actually just clarified that he hates solely neoliberalism, then we can clap out hands together and join ourselves in utter hatred of neoliberalism and make merry.
But what he actually did was edit his post and then gaslight me.
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Heck, if he actually just clarified that he hates solely neoliberalism, then we can clap out hands together and join ourselves in utter hatred of neoliberalism and make merry. But what he actually did was edit his post and then gaslight me. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On December 01 2019 01:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Hey, that what you wrote right? The context that he hates liberals and liberal media and your interpretation is that the post says liberals support gay marriage and Jeff Bezos so my intepretation that he hates gay marriage and Jeff Bezos are the one and the same. Heck, if he actually just clarified that he hates solely neoliberalism, then we can clap out hands together and join ourselves in utter hatred of neoliberalism and make merry. But what he actually did was edit his post and then gaslight me. Honestly, find something else to do for a bit. You're letting yourself get too worked up about something that isn't worth it. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28747 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Honestly, you go find something else to do for a bit. You know GH is wrong to do so. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45320 Posts
On December 01 2019 00:29 Nebuchad wrote: I can assure you that both DPB and Wombat would read GH's unedited post, as you presented it, and they would immediately understand what he means. They would also see that there is no difference in meaning between this and his edited post. I'd like to confirm this. Obviously, to avoid semantics arguments, I can reasonably see how other people may want to make sure that their specific usage/ definition/ understanding of "liberal" is consistent with how others are using it. That being said, I believe that I was following and understanding GH's personal use just fine when he and I had that short back-and-forth a few pages ago, and I don't feel like GH's edit or clarification was made in bad faith or really muddies the waters. That's my perspective though. Also, GH obviously supports gay marriage. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On December 01 2019 01:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote: But it does not. It's just your interpretation of the same message because you read that garbled edited post first. The meaning is different if you had just read the unedited original post. As you have written, GH is opposed to liberals and liberal media. If I was to take your interpretation at face value then as "liberals support gay marriage and Jeff Bezos", he opposes gay marriage and Jeff Bezos. Don't go re re re intepreting his post. This is like next level Oh come on, can you stop now ? It's been 3 pages because you cannot read a sentence with a comma. Both posts have the same meaning, and I agree with the others about GH meaning that these "liberals" are on the left on social issues, but economically right/capitalistic. I see nothing in both messages that would mean GH is even remotely against gay marriage. He just believes the "liberals" are not going far enough, since they still support the economical status quo bringing us to ruin. Read it in context, and perhaps maybe if X posters tell you he surely didn't mean that, and they all can't even see that in his post, stop butting your head against the wall and admit you MIGHT have been wrong in your interpretation ? You're not a newcomer here... | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 01 2019 01:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Honestly you'll be pissed if someone edited their post and then was all ""Are you okay?" when you responded to the original unedited post and then double down on gaslighting you. Honestly, you go find something else to do for a bit. You know GH is wrong to do so. I kind of think you're the one who needs to do this. Every poster other than you who's been here for any length of time knows GH supports gay marriage. He's aggressively left wing. Of course he does. Even without great familiarity with him - which you have - it takes five seconds of thought to make that intellectual connection. And if you doubt it you can say 'are you saying... x?' At which point GH would be like 'lol no'. Instead you're in a death grip on a narrative everyone disagrees with. Why? Just admit some wires got crossed and drop it. Happens from time to time. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26301 Posts
On December 01 2019 01:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote: But it does not. It's just your interpretation of the same message because you read that garbled edited post first. The meaning is different if you had just read the unedited original post. As you have written, GH is opposed to liberals and liberal media. If I was to take your interpretation at face value then as "liberals support gay marriage and Jeff Bezos", he opposes gay marriage and Jeff Bezos. Don't go re re re intepreting his post. This is like next level If it’s someone else with a different posting history said that then I’d go with that interpretation. Given GH’s past history and advocacy for radical things it very much reads as a sneery cynical remark that liberals comfort themselves with a bit of a lick of ‘be nice to the gays’ paint while not having a problem with the obscene wealth of a Bezos. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
He's edited in "neoliberal" because we literally just had a whole conversation about how he should use that in future when talking about his arch-enemies. The rest of it did not change substantively. I don't agree with him on much but he's not actively trying to hide his meaning in this case. Let's just move on. | ||
KwarK
United States43620 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On December 01 2019 04:33 JimmiC wrote: Could be worse, in Russia and China their obscenely wealthy are also running the country. Putin's wealth is estimated at 200 billion! However that may just be cutting out the middle man with all the money running through American politics, not to mention Trump. One could just as easily say the obscenely rich are running the US too, but the government is nice pageantry to make people think otherwise. | ||
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brian
United States9638 Posts
On December 01 2019 01:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Honestly you'll be pissed if someone edited their post and then was all ""Are you okay?" when you responded to the original unedited post and then double down on gaslighting you. Honestly, you go find something else to do for a bit. You know GH is wrong to do so. if you smell shit everywhere you go, you should look under your nose. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The fact that it's worded the way it is perhaps reveals something about how strongly GH feels about gay marriage, compared to other things. But that's tea-leaf reading. I do find GreenHorizons' further attempts to stir shit and aggravate DMCD after that post highly distasteful... though entirely consistent with how he treated zlefin, JimmiC and others in the past. It's easier to "win arguments" if you've made the other guy mad by being an asshole and pushing their buttons previously. Especially if you do it in such a way that other people cheer you on, as here, and spread it out over enough time that it's not clear how it started (or by whom). By now, GH has a lot of practice at bullying like this. Having Nebuchad and Drone to enable his bullying and lead the cheer squad doesn't hurt either. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12402 Posts
On December 01 2019 08:28 Aquanim wrote: I don't find the edit problematic (although in the context of GreenHorizons having a long history of being here to dishonestly stir shit I can understand why DMCD would interpret it that way). There probably exists a clearer wording of the post in general but that's hardly culpable. "Gay marriage but also Jeff Bezos", etc. + Show Spoiler + The fact that it's worded the way it is perhaps reveals something about how strongly GH feels about gay marriage, compared to other things. But that's tea-leaf reading. I do find GreenHorizons' further attempts to stir shit and aggravate DMCD after that post highly distasteful... though entirely consistent with how he treated zlefin, JimmiC and others in the past. It's easier to "win arguments" if you've made the other guy mad by being an asshole and pushing their buttons previously. Especially if you do it in such a way that other people cheer you on, as here, and spread it out over enough time that it's not clear how it started (or by whom). By now, GH has a lot of practice at bullying like this. Having Nebuchad and Drone to enable his bullying and lead the cheer squad doesn't hurt either. It's fascinating to me that even though you are forced by the facts to side with us you still feel the need to trash GH in most of your post about this. I'm sure GH also has issues with the history of the posts by people like DMCD and Jimmi, I know I do anyways. Is there bias involved, like, am I more bothered by DMCD and Jimmi than I am with GH because I disagree with them politically, and is the same true for you and GH? I would say undoubtedly. But either way I just don't see much that we can do about, or with, this context. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On December 01 2019 09:21 Nebuchad wrote: It's fascinating to me that even though you are forced by the facts to side with us you still feel the need to trash GH in most of your post about this. I'm sure GH also has issues with the history of the posts by people like DMCD and Jimmi, I know I do anyways. DMCD isn't a bully, GreenHorizons is, and you're an enabler of a bully. The facts of the original point under discussion in this instance don't change who the people are. DMCD had an honest misunderstanding (though I'll acknowledge the way he said it did himself no favours), GreenHorizons deliberately wound him up, and then neither you nor he made any real attempt to make the situation better rather than worse. ... Is there bias involved, like, am I more bothered by DMCD and Jimmi than I am with GH because I disagree with them politically, and is the same true for you and GH? I would say undoubtedly. But either way I just don't see much that we can do about, or with, this context. Bleating about bias also doesn't change who is a bully and who is not. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12402 Posts
On December 01 2019 09:24 Aquanim wrote: DMCD isn't a bully, GreenHorizons is, and you're an enabler of a bully. The facts of the original point under discussion in this instance don't change who the people are. DMCD had an honest misunderstanding, GreenHorizons deliberately wound him up, and then neither you nor he made any real attempt to make the situation better rather than worse. Bleating about bias also doesn't change who is a bully and who is not. I mean I disagree, lol. There were times where DMCD was attacking Danglars, of all people, and I thought he was being unfair. And if you know me that's not something that I usually think. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On December 01 2019 09:27 Nebuchad wrote:... I mean I disagree, lol. There were times where DMCD was attacking Danglars, of all people, and I thought he was being unfair. And if you know me that's not something that I usually think. Danglars was a bully too. An inept one compared to GH and xDaunt, but still. I'm not saying DMCD doesn't bark up the wrong tree relatively often (edited to be closer to what I meant). I'm just saying he's not a bully. EDIT: For what it's worth on the question of bias, I doubt my political leaning is meaningfully closer to DMCD than to GH. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26301 Posts
From personal experience it’s rather exhausting continually being asked to defend positions you don’t hold based on misconstruing of a point, or not being asked to clarify in a non-hostile manner before discussion of said positions. If you hold more standard political views (or at least standardly understood) you don’t have to undergo this draining process quite as frequently I’m not the ‘GH whisperer’ as others interpreted his position and why he said what he did in exact the same manner. And yes misunderstandings happen, for sure. There’s ‘hm that statement seems a bit incongruous given your posting history, I’d have thought you were for gay marriage’ and other wordings that come across as more hostile and antagonistic. | ||
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