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Mohdoo
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micronesia
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
He goes on to say that D&G set out in their book something like "an Introduction to the Non-Fascist Life." But for all three of these thinkers the "fascistic impulse" exists on a kind of axis with "schizophrenic" at the other pole. None of them ask if life at that other pole is really to be wanted after all. But there is an implicit kind of reclaiming of "fascism" in the analysis, because there is "fascism" in all of us, and it is not merely reducible to evil. To become who we want to be, we must do violence to ourselves. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
On May 11 2019 09:25 Mohdoo wrote: Ben Shapiro getting eviscerated on BBC is a life highlight for me. Oh man + Show Spoiler + I find it hilarious that at the beginning of the interview he almost literally embodies the meme. "I've got all these cool new ideas like christian conservatism" | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 11 2019 09:26 micronesia wrote: Uh, is Ben Shapiro on BBC now? Was he recently? How did he get "eviscerated"? If you're already a few beers deep, I recommend watching the video linked above by Nebuchad. A good TLDR of the interview: Eventually, Shapiro said that the “whole thing was a waste of time” and he didn’t “give a damn” what Neil thought of him, declaring, “I am not inclined to continue an interview with someone as badly motivated as you,” before taking off his microphone and declaring “we’re done here.” “Thank you for your time and for showing that anger is not part of American political discourse,” Neil cheekily replied. It is especially satisfying because of how many times posters in this very thread have tried to prop of Shapiro's ideas. These people un-ironically cite Shapiro. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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KwarK
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Plansix
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But he is pandering to an audience who doesn’t know any of this, so he might just be on brand the entire time. | ||
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semantics
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It's strange Shapiro doesn't know how an interview can work, it's a platform to direct your own policies and promote yourself yet he can't help but try to attack the interviewer if the question isn't softball. It's so easy, acknowledge the question then create a new question for yourself and answer it. Do this over the length of the interview and you'll get more questions that you want to talk about, salesmen and politicians do this all the time. I only say that's strange because he uses loaded questions all the time which are very related to the method described above. The only difference is how you're changing the topic in one is to promote yourself the other is to trick others into accepting a premise they didn't necessarily agree with so you can attack them. The difference would be instead of acknowledging the question then slipping a premise you want to talk about, you're just slipping a premise you want to talk about so you can attack someone. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 11 2019 10:44 JimmiC wrote: As more and more it is becoming public how some of these college admissions work I hope being *x* educated starts to matter less. Working in engineering, I have witnessed zero correlation between university prestige and performance. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 11 2019 09:35 Nebuchad wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E I find it hilarious that at the beginning of the interview he almost literally embodies the meme. "I've got all these cool new ideas like christian conservatism" I find it hilarious that Shapiro openly moves the goal posts at 7:45. He’s openly asking for an even worse president or a president equal to Trump. Today my wife noticed that her period pads went up in price, and they did it subtly. They used to charge $14 for a pack of 36, now its $14 for a pack 26. No more packs of 36 available which helped last her bi weekly flow. Let’s force women to spend more on something that should already be given for free. I feel even worse for those women that can’t afford it, slowly having to watch women be attacked because they bleed monthly. The fact that people still choose to try and govern what others can do with their body is not just. I don’t know if any of you have seen Handmaids Tale, but when my wife watched that, her eyes were opened much more to the current situation in the US. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On May 11 2019 10:16 KwarK wrote: Andrew Neil was the editor of the Sunday Times, a Murdoch mouthpiece, and is the chairman of a right wing media company. But he's also an intelligent human being who will call you out on bullshit even if he's ideologically sympathetic to you because it's really frustrating when a dumbfuck on "your side" makes all of you look like morons by association. Shapiro's accusations of Neil being part of the left wing conspiracy is pretty fucking funny. As were his claims that the BBC was just courting controversy to make a quick buck (the BBC is a publicly funded service that provides its programming for free and has no advertisers or sponsors). Arguably more importantly, journalists in the UK can legitimately make their careers from a bit of proper journalism where they skewer political figures; the Michael Howard/Jeremy Paxman interview, and those like them, looms large over any journalist on TV in the UK. Not so long ago Neil absolutely shredded a Tory mouthpiece over several back benchers and security ministers accusing Jeremy Corbyn of literally betraying the country. Not the slightest hint of mercy. Being right wing and a journalist in the UK doesn't necessarily mean you're a naked partisan hack. If you say something fucking stupid in UK politics, the TV journalists don't rally to justify it, they get their sharpest knives out, make like Hannibal and start prepping for dinner. So yeah, it's not a surprise Ben Shapiro got bodied. UK journalists are used to people trying to rile/mock/distract them and they tend to just be calm, stoic and dogged, because they know it gives very little to work off. It's partly why Piers Morgan is a) trash and b) the one who (sort of) got over in the US. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On May 11 2019 10:08 Mohdoo wrote: If you're already a few beers deep, I recommend watching the video linked above by Nebuchad. A good TLDR of the interview: It is especially satisfying because of how many times posters in this very thread have tried to prop of Shapiro's ideas. These people un-ironically cite Shapiro. You know this interview will be titled "SHAPIRO DESTROYS BBC INTERVIEWER" on youtube right? It's far from clear that he lost this exchange from the perspective of someone who agrees with Shapiro. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 11 2019 13:16 IgnE wrote: You know this interview will be titled "SHAPIRO DESTROYS BBC INTERVIEWER" on youtube right? It's far from clear that he lost this exchange from the perspective of someone who agrees with Shapiro. I wouldn't say I'm particularly bothered by that. Lots of flat Earth folks too. You can only think so much about that kinda thing | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 11 2019 11:31 Mohdoo wrote: Working in engineering, I have witnessed zero correlation between university prestige and performance. It's easier to tell there because you can't fake engineering. You either know your shit or you're useless. It seems to hold true elsewhere, too. | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1018 Posts
On May 11 2019 13:16 IgnE wrote: You know this interview will be titled "SHAPIRO DESTROYS BBC INTERVIEWER" on youtube right? It's far from clear that he lost this exchange from the perspective of someone who agrees with Shapiro. Shapiro already conceded he didn't prepare and got destroyed: I have watched some of Shapiro's stuff which I thought was good (his interview with Andrew Yang for example), but this is just embarrassing. Normally, I have time for the argument against bringing up old quotes to paint people in a bad light. But if you've literally written a book calling for productive conversation then you have to be able to defend the times you didn't seem to be doing that yourself. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 11 2019 09:35 Nebuchad wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E I find it hilarious that at the beginning of the interview he almost literally embodies the meme. "I've got all these cool new ideas like christian conservatism" He performed pretty poorly for a debate performance. Maybe he was expecting an interview? I dunno. Too quick and monotonous throughout, but I guess that's Shapiro. Isn't it the party of Trump? Isn't there no thought movement, run out of ideas, compared to new ideas on left? Aren't some of your ideas taking us back to the dark ages, like Georgia's abortion laws? Lol this guy. Shapiro fumbles for the right track (Would you suggest that a late term abortion is brutal, if the supporter "I'm not taking a view on this" is some straight dodge. The next attempt, repeating the question, is even worse. Either say you give everyone you interview a hard time on the takes of the topic, or admit your ideological biases.) But Shapiro does a poor job of stating the point simply and rambles. You have to be able to assume the questioner gives everybody a hard time and uses the same biting remarks. Aren't you a hypocrite on support of Trump, never voting for him, and maybe now? You're supposed tellers of hard truths, as a group of youtube stars, but haven't you coarsened public discourse in America and exacerbated it's divisions? Aren't these titles on youtube videos of you coarse? Aren't you part of the problem in the discourse, instead of the solution? Aren't you part of that anger, encouraging it [Gish gallop on Obama's state of union, jewish supporters of Obama, palestinian columns] You'd think someone that calls for less anger in politics would have a defense for his conclusions stated forcefully and not holding back on the language used to denounce them. He fumbles for the retractions, fumbles back towards the unfair statement of interview questions, in a generally poor performance. He's not expected to defend little snippets from articles going back a decade, but man you have to do a better job pointing that out. If you're really committed to defense from judeo-christian values, it shouldn't be that hard to go through the big ones. Andrew Neil, to his credit pointing out that he had never heard of Shapiro, had been primarily briefed on gotchas. Shapiro ... uhh not so much. Not a good defense nor debate performance at all. It's like Jeb Bush getting caught by an Iraq War question and being unprepared. If you're going to write a book about defending traditional values and discouraging anger, you better know which past comments were in anger, and which past argued conclusions didn't go to far/are defensible/whatever he's doing. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
But I do think it's a little premature. Though... Universal basic income I think would seriously inject the economy and keep it strong for a long time. Keeping all that in mind,l Bernie 2020. | ||
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