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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 18:52:26
February 24 2019 18:45 GMT
#22881
I think there's also a lot of not-so-obvious friction going on because who you need to vote for you to win the primary and who you need to vote for you to win the general is pretty damn different and growing more different every day (definitely on the D ticket, maybe on the R ticket as well). Except insofar as people vote for those in the primary that they think will win the general.

It's kind of another awkward consequence of the electoral college-in a two party agglomerated winner-take-all system, the optimal strategy is to only hold primaries in the purple states and ignore everywhere else.

(that is, in a vacuum-people would obviously not be happy if either party adopted this strategy or even edged towards it because people place different relative values on winning and the cost of winning)
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 19:05:25
February 24 2019 19:03 GMT
#22882
I've seen a bunch of people saying that the aid convoy at the border of Venezuela was set on fire by people from the opposition, and not by the army as it's been reported. There were two videos about molotovs to back this up, one where they prepared them, and one where it is thrown at the convoy. Is this fake news?

I still don't know how to function in situations where the media can't be trusted :/
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9486 Posts
February 24 2019 19:24 GMT
#22883
On February 25 2019 04:03 Nebuchad wrote:
I've seen a bunch of people saying that the aid convoy at the border of Venezuela was set on fire by people from the opposition, and not by the army as it's been reported. There were two videos about molotovs to back this up, one where they prepared them, and one where it is thrown at the convoy. Is this fake news?

I still don't know how to function in situations where the media can't be trusted :/


If the facts are completely unclear best not to have an opinion maybe. Its what I've thought about Syria for years.
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1913 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 19:25:26
February 24 2019 19:24 GMT
#22884
On February 25 2019 03:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I think there's also a lot of not-so-obvious friction going on because who you need to vote for you to win the primary and who you need to vote for you to win the general is pretty damn different and growing more different every day (definitely on the D ticket, maybe on the R ticket as well). Except insofar as people vote for those in the primary that they think will win the general.

It's kind of another awkward consequence of the electoral college-in a two party agglomerated winner-take-all system, the optimal strategy is to only hold primaries in the purple states and ignore everywhere else.

(that is, in a vacuum-people would obviously not be happy if either party adopted this strategy or even edged towards it because people place different relative values on winning and the cost of winning)


I honestly think they should. It is the only way to eventually force a change to a flawed and unfair system in favour of a simpler, cleaner and more fair popular vote across the whole country.

Trump already won by only campaigning where he had something to gain, so the DEMs would be beyond stupid not to follow suit. Note that the Republicans also lose out on a lot of votes in populated blue states.
Buff the siegetank
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-24 19:39:33
February 24 2019 19:36 GMT
#22885
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 25 2019 02:42 GMT
#22886
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
February 25 2019 03:12 GMT
#22887
On February 25 2019 04:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2019 04:03 Nebuchad wrote:
I've seen a bunch of people saying that the aid convoy at the border of Venezuela was set on fire by people from the opposition, and not by the army as it's been reported. There were two videos about molotovs to back this up, one where they prepared them, and one where it is thrown at the convoy. Is this fake news?

I still don't know how to function in situations where the media can't be trusted :/


If the facts are completely unclear best not to have an opinion maybe. Its what I've thought about Syria for years.


That's been what I'm advocating so far, but the question keeps coming back. And in a way where I'm not super comfortable with it. Like, let's say that the narrative of the US backed coup is completely correct, and we're standing there with no opinion because it's hard to gauge what is true or not... That position is functionally no different from acceptance.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17917 Posts
February 25 2019 06:48 GMT
#22888
On February 25 2019 12:12 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2019 04:24 Jockmcplop wrote:
On February 25 2019 04:03 Nebuchad wrote:
I've seen a bunch of people saying that the aid convoy at the border of Venezuela was set on fire by people from the opposition, and not by the army as it's been reported. There were two videos about molotovs to back this up, one where they prepared them, and one where it is thrown at the convoy. Is this fake news?

I still don't know how to function in situations where the media can't be trusted :/


If the facts are completely unclear best not to have an opinion maybe. Its what I've thought about Syria for years.


That's been what I'm advocating so far, but the question keeps coming back. And in a way where I'm not super comfortable with it. Like, let's say that the narrative of the US backed coup is completely correct, and we're standing there with no opinion because it's hard to gauge what is true or not... That position is functionally no different from acceptance.

I'm going to go with "don't trust the guy who has spent the last 10 years consolidating power while the country descends into chaos around him"
Acamar
Profile Joined February 2019
7 Posts
February 25 2019 09:56 GMT
#22889
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8000 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-25 10:28:15
February 25 2019 10:26 GMT
#22890
On February 25 2019 18:56 Acamar wrote:
Can you guys stop talking about Venezuela in the US politics thread?


Since the US isn't an isolated country where things only happen inside a bubble in which it in no way affects anyone else and no one affects it: No.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17917 Posts
February 25 2019 10:49 GMT
#22891
On February 25 2019 18:56 Acamar wrote:
Can you guys stop talking about Venezuela in the US politics thread?

If the US stops meddling in Venezuela's business, maybe. That said, I am not against the US being vocal in its support of Guaido. Trump threatening military intervention is probably doing more harm than good, and giving Bolsonaro ideas about military adventures is also not great. But lets face it: we're talking about Venezuela because it's relevant to US foreign policy at the moment. It might merit its own thread, but I'm sure the mods are capable of telling us that, rather than a PBU 4-post troll account.
Acamar
Profile Joined February 2019
7 Posts
February 25 2019 11:23 GMT
#22892
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 25 2019 11:32 GMT
#22893
Pretty sure the EU thread discusses non-EU countries. Unclear why Venezuela is any less worthy of discussion than North Korea or China.
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Acamar
Profile Joined February 2019
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-25 11:39:30
February 25 2019 11:38 GMT
#22894
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24632 Posts
February 25 2019 11:43 GMT
#22895
Can you guys stop taking the bait? Just report the PBU (if you wish) and move on without quoting him or replying, please.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17917 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-25 11:56:57
February 25 2019 11:56 GMT
#22896
wrong thread. sorry.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 25 2019 14:37 GMT
#22897
Watch the well oiled machine and top deal maker at work. President and The United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer seem to have completely different views on what they have agreed on. Ending with 'ok ok we'll never use the term memorandum of understanding again'

Meanwhile the Chinese vice premier Liu He sitting there can't hide a chuckle of laughter at this absurd situation.

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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44047 Posts
February 25 2019 15:40 GMT
#22898
On February 25 2019 23:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Watch the well oiled machine and top deal maker at work. President and The United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer seem to have completely different views on what they have agreed on. Ending with 'ok ok we'll never use the term memorandum of understanding again'

Meanwhile the Chinese vice premier Liu He sitting there can't hide a chuckle of laughter at this absurd situation.

https://twitter.com/economics/status/1099357290791022593


Never thought I'd actually say this, but Trump is right and the other guy is wrong about an MOU.

"In business, an MOU is typically a legally non-binding agreement between two (or more) parties, that outlines terms and details of a mutual understanding or agreement, noting each party's requirements and responsibilities -- but without establishing a formal, legally enforceable contract (though an MOU is often a first step towards the development of a formal contract).[1][2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 25 2019 15:51 GMT
#22899
The President getting bent out of shape because a MOU between two super powers isn’t legally binding is still pretty stupid. There is no court that is going to enforce whatever “binding” agreement that they enter anyways. Even the World Trade Organization is super limited in its ability to push around countries like China and the US. Trump doesn’t seem to understand that the rules of business don’t apply to sovereign nations in the same way.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18820 Posts
February 25 2019 15:56 GMT
#22900
As a general rule, if you’re discussing enforceability of a contract, the jig is probably already up.
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