EPTRussian ambassador to Turkey shot - Page 3
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 20 2016 07:46 parkufarku wrote: Yeah, this is gonna speed up Turkey's admission into EU Beautiful country, but had to cancel family trip to there b/c of instability The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On December 20 2016 18:12 opisska wrote: The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. All "reasons" are in the head, because that's where "reasoning" happens. There are plenty of reasons to cancel trips to Turkey right now, and the political situation is a very valid one. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:13 nothingmuch wrote: All "reasons" are in the head, because that's where "reasoning" happens. There are plenty of reasons to cancel trips to Turkey right now, and the political situation is a very valid one. can you describe specific issues the situation causes for a tourist. other then a vague feeling of danger? | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:22 opisska wrote: can you describe specific issues the situation causes for a tourist. other then a vague feeling of danger? You think it's a vague feeling of danger, he thinks it's real danger. Get used to different opinions. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On December 20 2016 18:12 opisska wrote: The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. The danger of something happening there has changed, at least in the last two years and everyone has the right to chose weather they want to take the risk or not. Turkey as a tourist location has a lot to offer and you can have a great time there, but the situation has changed since I was last there in 2010. But even then I can vividly remember asking a local Turk why there were no trash bins anywhere on the street in Kusadasi and him saying that they removed them all after someone hid a bomb in one and bombed some tourists maybe a year or two before. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/acWQxhj.jpg) source of pic: http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21711883-recep-tayyip-erdogan-wants-change-constitution-enshrine-one-man-rule-turkeys-latest?zid=307&ah=5e80419d1bc9821ebe173f4f0f060a07 On December 20 2016 15:46 FlaShFTW wrote: Putin is going to be livid. I don't see why Putin would be angrier than Erdogan with this. Russia knew what it was getting into when it took one of the leadership rolls in the fight against ISIS and Al Qaeda affiliates in Syria, you get a great big bullseye placed on your back. There will always be filth and lowlifes ready to stab you in the back, which is why the security should have been much more serious. Why the hell was this guy allowed to stand around and babel on about allahu akbar for 20 seconds after shooting an ambassador with no-one taking him down? Russia and Turkey have been on the highway to best friends forever since the coup attempt in Turkey and my guess is Erdogan is the livid one in this case. I've been reading a lot of theories about the motives but to me these three seem the most likely: 1. Run-of-the-mill crazy person 2. Islamist radical pissed off about Aleppo 3. Gulanist that wants to get back at Erdogan and Russia for the failed coup. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:37 Ppjack wrote: what is up with these guys ? we intervene in their country, military and more often than not humanitary... they scream against ingerence and how we should let them be sowereign colonialism and such. we don't do anything because geopolitics and diplomacy are more complicated than "do whatever you want", and they cry about not giving a shit about their country. and in the meantime we are supposed to welcome every bit of misery of the world, true or false, for economic purpose or legitimate humanitarian one. and they still shit on us on a regular basis and most of them fail to integrate and live outside of their own community.. what leads to a huge ressentment towards us. living in brussels is like being bipolar sometimes, guess we are fucked. (and if you add on top of that all the possible extreme leftist bullshit economically speaking, you know we are really in a bad state) and it comes from a guy who breath, work, dream, and fight for european union every day. damn (+christmas market in berlin) That's some ignorant far right propaganda and what does it have to do with this assassination? If anyone is shitting on the rest of the world, it's certainly not the poor countries... Those types of comments make me mad. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:22 opisska wrote: can you describe specific issues the situation causes for a tourist. other then a vague feeling of danger? Well, there's the obvious danger of terrorist attacks- targeting tourists in order to damage the state is a tactic that has been used to great effect in Egypt already. Then there's the increasing influence of Islam on Turkish law- teenagers arrested for kissing in public and so on, the tendencies are certainly worrying. And last but not least there's not wanting to support a nation that's slowly being turned into a dictatorship. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On December 20 2016 20:15 nothingmuch wrote: Well, there's the obvious danger of terrorist attacks- targeting tourists in order to damage the state is a tactic that has been used to great effect in Egypt already. Then there's the increasing influence of Islam on Turkish law- teenagers arrested for kissing in public and so on, the tendencies are certainly worrying. And last but not least there's not wanting to support a nation that's slowly being turned into a dictatorship. Although general tendency is true, it is not like kissing in public gets you arrested. Please don't snap on one side. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On December 20 2016 21:51 opisska wrote: The "dont support erdogan" is possibly the only sane line of thought here, even though on thr scale of turkey, the effect is gonna be minimal and it is questionable whether the contact of locals with westerners isnt actually helpful. The danger to be hurt in a terrorist attack is still statistically much smaller than many other dangers you are probably not changing your plans for. Its the same twisted logic that allows many goverments to invest into security and "anti terrorist measurea" even though the same money could save much more lives when put elsewhere. And since everybody is basing their life choices on statistics nobody is staying at home or in bed. Because that's where the most accidents/deaths happen and instead everyone spends most of their lives in airplanes. Sane is a big word there, buddy. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 20 2016 21:51 opisska wrote: The "dont support erdogan" is possibly the only sane line of thought here, even though on thr scale of turkey, the effect is gonna be minimal and it is questionable whether the contact of locals with westerners isnt actually helpful. The danger to be hurt in a terrorist attack is still statistically much smaller than many other dangers you are probably not changing your plans for. Its the same twisted logic that allows many goverments to invest into security and "anti terrorist measurea" even though the same money could save much more lives when put elsewhere. The likelihood of a terrorist attack in Turkey is higher than what could be described as "normal risk". Obviously there's always a risk of one anywhere and being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a statistical unlikelihood but this is your life. You only get one. Why risk it? | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:30 Pontual wrote: You think it's a vague feeling of danger, he thinks it's real danger. Get used to different opinions. Thanks for this. I wouldn't mind it if I was traveling solo, but I would not want to risk my family in an area I perceive (whether my perception is wrong or not) in a more dangerous area than what a family trip should constitute. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 21 2016 16:37 Orcasgt24 wrote: The likelihood of a terrorist attack in Turkey is higher than what could be described as "normal risk". Obviously there's always a risk of one anywhere and being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a statistical unlikelihood but this is your life. You only get one. Why risk it? Why risk anything then? Why do anything that is not strictly necessary? If you want to be careful and manage your risks, good for you. But managing the risk of "getting hurt in a terror attack in Turkey" is extremely far down the line and I can almost guarantee you that anyone in this discussion is ignoring far greater risks on a daily basis. Why do people feel the urgent need to defend irrationality like this? I don't understand it. You have the right to be irrationally scared, but why do you think such "opinion" is immune to criticism? In 2015 and 2016, roughly 500 people die per year from a terrorist attack in Turkey. Almost 10 000 people get killed in traffic accidents per year in Turkey, out of which almost 2000 are pedestrians. Now you may try to argue that you will stay away from traffic, but the same can be said about the terrorism - many attacks are targeted towards police stations, the number surely includes the Ankara demonstration incident etc... those just aren't things you are likely to get caught in. In any case, if you are worried about the dangers stemming from terrorism, you shouldn't probably ever have even considered Turkey, based on road safety alone. And have you heard that 5000 people in Turkey die yearly on meningitis? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 20 2016 18:12 opisska wrote: The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. ![[image loading]](http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1482164544-20161219.png) Sorry, I had to  | ||
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