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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Major news outlets are still reporting that he has only been injured, but from photos, videos and eyewitness reports, it's highly likely that he's dead. The attacker can be heard to shout "Allahu Akbar, don't forget Aleppo, don't forget about Syria, those responsible for these atrocities have to pay the price, only death can stop me" This was at an event in Turkey ironically titled "How Turkey sees Russia" The gunman was reportedly a member of his protection team. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18519 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
the attacker is thought to be a turkish policeman | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On December 20 2016 03:00 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: i would advise you to edit that out, the mods are very touchy about "graphic" videos/pictures | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
![[image loading]](http://static.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/ankara_191216_PN_ul.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://static.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/turkki_191216_PN_ul.jpg) On December 20 2016 03:01 ahswtini wrote: i would advise you to edit that out, the mods are very touchy about "graphic" videos/pictures Well they didnt use to be. There has been a lot of NSFW videos/pictures on this site like from terror attacks in France | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9137 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
I cant wait to see what happens in 2017 | ||
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Sent.
Poland9246 Posts
On December 20 2016 03:27 Pontual wrote: Holy fuck, pls just no atomic shit, neither bombing civilians. Not bombing military bases is probably a bit too much too ask at this point. Calm down, nobody is going to start a war because of this | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 20 2016 03:30 Sent. wrote: Calm down, nobody is going to start a war because of this Given normal conditions ofc not, but the tension was already there. And it got to it's peak. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Strange thing to say. It sounds like the ambassador said something and the bodyguard snapped. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On December 20 2016 03:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The attacker can be heard to shout "Allahu Akbar, don't forget Aleppo, don't forget about Syria, those responsible for these atrocities have to pay the price, only death can stop me" Strange thing to say. It sounds like the ambassador said something and the bodyguard snapped. http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-38370362?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central Apparently guy was off-duty policeman though so couldn't have been a bodyguard, unless I'm reading/understanding you wrong. The ambassador was speaking about Russia-Turkey relations but no specifics on what was said for what I'm reading so far. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
We should get away from this incident with nothing more than harsh words and a bombing raid over Syria that makes the one when the plane was shot down look small. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Russia-Turkey relations are fragile enough that this is exactly what is not needed right now. News articles in Russian (use Google Translate) Putin cancelled a visit to a theater opening in the wake of the shooting: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/12/19/putin_theatre/ Turkey searching killer's residence: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/12/19/obiski/ Comparison to historic killing of poet and Russian diplomat to Turkey in 19th century: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/12/19/vremena/ John Kerry offers help in investigation: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/12/19/kerry/ Mayor of Ankara gives some theories for killer: Su shooters, people who wanted to damage Russia-Turkey relations; Possibility of Al-Nusra involvement investigated: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/12/19/posolwhy/ | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
The conspiracy theorists are gonna have a field day in the next 24hours. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Anyway, how is this bad news - except for the obvious tragedy of two dead people? What I see as really bad news for the region is any improvement of Russian-Turkish relations, so this could be actually useful. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On December 20 2016 04:42 maze. wrote: Prayers for his family. The conspiracy theorists are gonna have a field day in the next 24hours. On December 20 2016 04:07 farvacola wrote: Be suspicious of anyone who claims to be able to tell the future based on this event, particularly during the next 24 hours. The number of people making crazed predictions all over the internet and news media is incredible. Oh shit, Franz Ferdinand is dead? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
Just before the assasination, behind is the killer. ![[image loading]](http://i.hizliresim.com/Annz9B.jpg) | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On December 20 2016 04:46 opisska wrote: I am quite fascinated by the guts of whoever took those pictures of the killer with a gun in his hand ... It honestly lloks almost suspicious. Is it sure that this is actually what happened? Anyway, how is this bad news - except for the obvious tragedy of two dead people? What I see as really bad news for the region is any improvement of Russian-Turkish relations, so this could be actually useful. i mean the shooting was carried out in front of a camera that was recording/broadcasting the event | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:04 ahswtini wrote: i mean the shooting was carried out in front of a camera that was recording/broadcasting the event Sure, but the photos do not look like video frames and they are also nicely focused on him. It seems like someone took those on purpose, instead of running away. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9246 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:06 opisska wrote: Sure, but the photos do not look like video frames and they are also nicely focused on him. It seems like someone took those on purpose, instead of running away. I think the killer made it clear that he's not going to shoot the reporters so one of them just used the opportunity to make photos of his life. | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:06 Sent. wrote: Does anyone know where was the Russian security? I assume Russian ambassadors have their own bodyguards, at least in countries where there is a high risk of terrorist attacks I think the killer made it clear that he's not going to shoot the reporters so one of them just used the opportunity to make photos of his life. I think the photographer just chanced it and ended up being right. No reason to believe his life wasn't in danger since no gunman ever is gonna be like "Hey! You with the camera. Take a bunch of pictures of me during this speech" | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:17 Orcasgt24 wrote: I think the photographer just chanced it and ended up being right. No reason to believe his life wasn't in danger since no gunman ever is gonna be like "Hey! You with the camera. Take a bunch of pictures of me during this speech" The photographer kept his cool and is gutsy for sure, but I do believe that's exactly what a terrorist would want the most - publicity. | ||
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
we intervene in their country, military and more often than not humanitary... they scream against ingerence and how we should let them be sowereign colonialism and such. we don't do anything because geopolitics and diplomacy are more complicated than "do whatever you want", and they cry about not giving a shit about their country. and in the meantime we are supposed to welcome every bit of misery of the world, true or false, for economic purpose or legitimate humanitarian one. and they still shit on us on a regular basis and most of them fail to integrate and live outside of their own community.. what leads to a huge ressentment towards us. living in brussels is like being bipolar sometimes, guess we are fucked. (and if you add on top of that all the possible extreme leftist bullshit economically speaking, you know we are really in a bad state) and it comes from a guy who breath, work, dream, and fight for european union every day. damn (+christmas market in berlin) | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:37 True_Spike wrote: The photographer kept his cool and is gutsy for sure, but I do believe that's exactly what a terrorist would want the most - publicity. Can this really be called "terrorism", when he explicitly did not kill any civilians? I understand that being an ambassador doesn't come with a "front line" job description, but it was a very clear political gesture, even if a little overboardly violent. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:40 opisska wrote: Can this really be called "terrorism", when he explicitly did not kill any civilians? I understand that being an ambassador doesn't come with a "front line" job description, but it was a very clear political gesture, even if a little overboardly violent. in english that is the very definition of terrorism. terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. | ||
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:40 opisska wrote: Can this really be called "terrorism", when he explicitly did not kill any civilians? I understand that being an ambassador doesn't come with a "front line" job description, but it was a very clear political gesture, even if a little overboardly violent. it is terrorism, by the mean used and the purpose. A civilian attacking a military for political purposes and with use of extreme means is terrorism. Not even resistance, for some people will for sure spit this bullshit. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:06 Sent. wrote: Does anyone know where was the Russian security? I assume Russian ambassadors have their own bodyguards, at least in countries where there is a high risk of terrorist attacks I think the killer made it clear that he's not going to shoot the reporters so one of them just used the opportunity to make photos of his life. Apparently the shooter was part of his security detail and/or an off-duty police officer. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On December 20 2016 06:07 LegalLord wrote: Apparently the shooter was part of his security detail and/or an off-duty police officer. Nope, what I am reading says that the ambassador didn't have any security. The shooter was not supposed to be there as well. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/19/russias-ambassador-turkey-shot-assassination-attempt1/ Edit: It is actually the link the previous guy gave. | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
Beautiful country, but had to cancel family trip to there b/c of instability | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On December 20 2016 02:34 ahswtini wrote: The attacker can be heard to shout "Allahu Akbar, don't forget Aleppo, don't forget about Syria, those responsible for these atrocities have to pay the price, only death can stop me" Bastard...Muslim leaders in the region are the ones you should be focusing on, pressuring into action. Fucking pointless killing is pointless... | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10236 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 20 2016 07:46 parkufarku wrote: Yeah, this is gonna speed up Turkey's admission into EU Beautiful country, but had to cancel family trip to there b/c of instability The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On December 20 2016 18:12 opisska wrote: The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. All "reasons" are in the head, because that's where "reasoning" happens. There are plenty of reasons to cancel trips to Turkey right now, and the political situation is a very valid one. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:13 nothingmuch wrote: All "reasons" are in the head, because that's where "reasoning" happens. There are plenty of reasons to cancel trips to Turkey right now, and the political situation is a very valid one. can you describe specific issues the situation causes for a tourist. other then a vague feeling of danger? | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:22 opisska wrote: can you describe specific issues the situation causes for a tourist. other then a vague feeling of danger? You think it's a vague feeling of danger, he thinks it's real danger. Get used to different opinions. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6306 Posts
On December 20 2016 18:12 opisska wrote: The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. The danger of something happening there has changed, at least in the last two years and everyone has the right to chose weather they want to take the risk or not. Turkey as a tourist location has a lot to offer and you can have a great time there, but the situation has changed since I was last there in 2010. But even then I can vividly remember asking a local Turk why there were no trash bins anywhere on the street in Kusadasi and him saying that they removed them all after someone hid a bomb in one and bombed some tourists maybe a year or two before. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/acWQxhj.jpg) source of pic: http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21711883-recep-tayyip-erdogan-wants-change-constitution-enshrine-one-man-rule-turkeys-latest?zid=307&ah=5e80419d1bc9821ebe173f4f0f060a07 On December 20 2016 15:46 FlaShFTW wrote: Putin is going to be livid. I don't see why Putin would be angrier than Erdogan with this. Russia knew what it was getting into when it took one of the leadership rolls in the fight against ISIS and Al Qaeda affiliates in Syria, you get a great big bullseye placed on your back. There will always be filth and lowlifes ready to stab you in the back, which is why the security should have been much more serious. Why the hell was this guy allowed to stand around and babel on about allahu akbar for 20 seconds after shooting an ambassador with no-one taking him down? Russia and Turkey have been on the highway to best friends forever since the coup attempt in Turkey and my guess is Erdogan is the livid one in this case. I've been reading a lot of theories about the motives but to me these three seem the most likely: 1. Run-of-the-mill crazy person 2. Islamist radical pissed off about Aleppo 3. Gulanist that wants to get back at Erdogan and Russia for the failed coup. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On December 20 2016 05:37 Ppjack wrote: what is up with these guys ? we intervene in their country, military and more often than not humanitary... they scream against ingerence and how we should let them be sowereign colonialism and such. we don't do anything because geopolitics and diplomacy are more complicated than "do whatever you want", and they cry about not giving a shit about their country. and in the meantime we are supposed to welcome every bit of misery of the world, true or false, for economic purpose or legitimate humanitarian one. and they still shit on us on a regular basis and most of them fail to integrate and live outside of their own community.. what leads to a huge ressentment towards us. living in brussels is like being bipolar sometimes, guess we are fucked. (and if you add on top of that all the possible extreme leftist bullshit economically speaking, you know we are really in a bad state) and it comes from a guy who breath, work, dream, and fight for european union every day. damn (+christmas market in berlin) That's some ignorant far right propaganda and what does it have to do with this assassination? If anyone is shitting on the rest of the world, it's certainly not the poor countries... Those types of comments make me mad. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:22 opisska wrote: can you describe specific issues the situation causes for a tourist. other then a vague feeling of danger? Well, there's the obvious danger of terrorist attacks- targeting tourists in order to damage the state is a tactic that has been used to great effect in Egypt already. Then there's the increasing influence of Islam on Turkish law- teenagers arrested for kissing in public and so on, the tendencies are certainly worrying. And last but not least there's not wanting to support a nation that's slowly being turned into a dictatorship. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On December 20 2016 20:15 nothingmuch wrote: Well, there's the obvious danger of terrorist attacks- targeting tourists in order to damage the state is a tactic that has been used to great effect in Egypt already. Then there's the increasing influence of Islam on Turkish law- teenagers arrested for kissing in public and so on, the tendencies are certainly worrying. And last but not least there's not wanting to support a nation that's slowly being turned into a dictatorship. Although general tendency is true, it is not like kissing in public gets you arrested. Please don't snap on one side. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On December 20 2016 21:51 opisska wrote: The "dont support erdogan" is possibly the only sane line of thought here, even though on thr scale of turkey, the effect is gonna be minimal and it is questionable whether the contact of locals with westerners isnt actually helpful. The danger to be hurt in a terrorist attack is still statistically much smaller than many other dangers you are probably not changing your plans for. Its the same twisted logic that allows many goverments to invest into security and "anti terrorist measurea" even though the same money could save much more lives when put elsewhere. And since everybody is basing their life choices on statistics nobody is staying at home or in bed. Because that's where the most accidents/deaths happen and instead everyone spends most of their lives in airplanes. Sane is a big word there, buddy. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 20 2016 21:51 opisska wrote: The "dont support erdogan" is possibly the only sane line of thought here, even though on thr scale of turkey, the effect is gonna be minimal and it is questionable whether the contact of locals with westerners isnt actually helpful. The danger to be hurt in a terrorist attack is still statistically much smaller than many other dangers you are probably not changing your plans for. Its the same twisted logic that allows many goverments to invest into security and "anti terrorist measurea" even though the same money could save much more lives when put elsewhere. The likelihood of a terrorist attack in Turkey is higher than what could be described as "normal risk". Obviously there's always a risk of one anywhere and being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a statistical unlikelihood but this is your life. You only get one. Why risk it? | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:30 Pontual wrote: You think it's a vague feeling of danger, he thinks it's real danger. Get used to different opinions. Thanks for this. I wouldn't mind it if I was traveling solo, but I would not want to risk my family in an area I perceive (whether my perception is wrong or not) in a more dangerous area than what a family trip should constitute. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 21 2016 16:37 Orcasgt24 wrote: The likelihood of a terrorist attack in Turkey is higher than what could be described as "normal risk". Obviously there's always a risk of one anywhere and being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a statistical unlikelihood but this is your life. You only get one. Why risk it? Why risk anything then? Why do anything that is not strictly necessary? If you want to be careful and manage your risks, good for you. But managing the risk of "getting hurt in a terror attack in Turkey" is extremely far down the line and I can almost guarantee you that anyone in this discussion is ignoring far greater risks on a daily basis. Why do people feel the urgent need to defend irrationality like this? I don't understand it. You have the right to be irrationally scared, but why do you think such "opinion" is immune to criticism? In 2015 and 2016, roughly 500 people die per year from a terrorist attack in Turkey. Almost 10 000 people get killed in traffic accidents per year in Turkey, out of which almost 2000 are pedestrians. Now you may try to argue that you will stay away from traffic, but the same can be said about the terrorism - many attacks are targeted towards police stations, the number surely includes the Ankara demonstration incident etc... those just aren't things you are likely to get caught in. In any case, if you are worried about the dangers stemming from terrorism, you shouldn't probably ever have even considered Turkey, based on road safety alone. And have you heard that 5000 people in Turkey die yearly on meningitis? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 20 2016 18:12 opisska wrote: The only reason you "had to" cancel any trip to Turkey is in your head or possible in the heads of other participants. The danger of something happening to you there is unchanged withing statistical uncertainties and still heavily dominated by traffic. ![[image loading]](http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1482164544-20161219.png) Sorry, I had to  | ||
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