Confederate Flag Removed from stores - Page 20

On July 01 2015 08:32 FHDH wrote:

You can. But not from WalMart because they decided to stop selling them.

On July 01 2015 08:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

So... what is your point?

On July 01 2015 08:27 Plansix wrote:
As I said before, the same goes for Disney movies every time they are going into the vault.

Also, what is the problem? Stores don't carry a product any more and people act like their rights are being infringed upon. I can't buy new SNESs anymore without going the shady bootleg route.

On July 01 2015 08:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Didn't know about the vault until now. Market always finds a way.

Like I said, Walmart can go and ban anything they want. Just like I'm not obligated to sell anything out of my own house. People just have a right to complain about it and petition them in some way. Or get their flag from somewhere else.

On July 01 2015 08:36 FHDH wrote:
Everyone remembers the outpouring of conservative outrage when radio stations banned the Dixie Chicks right?


What is yours? I think we're overdue for it.

On July 01 2015 08:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Didn't know about the vault until now. Market always finds a way.

Like I said, Walmart can go and ban anything they want. Just like I'm not obligated to sell anything out of my own house. People just have a right to complain about it and petition them in some way. Or get their flag from somewhere else.

On July 01 2015 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:


So you didn't have one....

On July 01 2015 01:23 overt wrote:
I think it's important to note that the civil war was pretty much just fought over money. The north was pissed because the south was getting rich off slave labor and they were buying from the Europeans instead of the north which hurt the north's industrialization and manufacturing. Only reason it's important to note is because I think a lot of people in America have this colored view of history that the union was fighting against the evil institution of slavery when in reality they had their own selfish goals in mind (just like the south did) and very few people actually gave a shit that African Americans were being enslaved (except for, y'know, actual abolitionists).

With that said I don't think it's crazy that minorities (especially black people) are offended by the flag and I don't think it's crazy that businesses feel like it makes more business sense to remove the Confederate flag from their stores. I also think it's stupid that a southern state would display a Confederate flag for so long. I'm not really arguing that retailers or states shouldn't have the right to display a Confederate flag because I don't think that's even up for debate. But if I was the governor of South Carolina or a CEO at a major retailer I'd sure as hell remove the flag because it's in the best business interest of my state/company. At the end of the day it's all about money anyway just like the actual civil war.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution — African slavery as it exists amongst us — the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization" and further that "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea ["equality of the races"]; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

On July 01 2015 08:55 FHDH wrote:
Unfortunately that's just the reality of brick-and-mortar retail. I've spent my years in retail deserts and I understand the frustration, but it's no basis for a retailer to stock something they find controversial enough to otherwise not be worth the bad PR (WalMart has no social conscience as demonstrated in countless ways).

As far as blowback from southerners goes, I stand by my claim that if they truly understood their own history and the history of that flag, the only ones complaining that they'd have to order a flag online or drive a great distance (and let's be honest: it's a FLAG, and normal people do not order FLAGS on any kind of a regular basis) are people who actually don't give a shit about the African Americans to whom they owe the only parts of their culture anyone else cares about.

On July 01 2015 08:36 FHDH wrote:
Everyone remembers the outpouring of conservative outrage when radio stations banned the Dixie Chicks right?


What is yours? I think we're overdue for it.

On July 01 2015 10:57 Sermokala wrote:
The point is is that its hypocritical. They ban the selling of the symbol of slavery and yet sell goods made from slavery. Instead of getting anything actually positive done out of all this anger people are being satisfied and justified in doing what amounts to absolutely nothing.

On July 01 2015 10:58 FHDH wrote:

So don't shop there. Like I said, they have no social conscience. People who are outraged by this are just as hypocritical.

On July 01 2015 10:58 FHDH wrote:

So don't shop there. Like I said, they have no social conscience. People who are outraged by this are just as hypocritical.

On July 01 2015 11:03 Sermokala wrote:

The problem is is that people are actually praising these companies for doing this purely symbolic gesture without doing anything but helping modern slavery continue.

On July 01 2015 23:43 Djzapz wrote:
From reading around it looks like the "Confederate flag" is not really the confederate flag obviously, but it was largely brought back in popular culture in the South (I'm sure somebody brought this up) during the 1940's and in the following decades specifically to oppose desegregation. The flag is essentially a symbol of the confederation that was used to protest against desegregation, to protest against mixing black and whites. That's not that long ago.

It's literally a relatively recent flag that has been mobilized specifically for racial reasons. Whatever noble ideals the confederacy may have stood for, this flag doesn't embody those. That's kind of amusing.

On July 01 2015 23:52 Plansix wrote:

I have brought it up over and over, but shockingly the folks who think the flag isn't a symbol of racism have ignored that. They just want to talk about what the flag means to them or whatever selective interpenetration they have decided to hang their hat on.