Canadian Politics Mega-thread - Page 89

On February 18 2022 04:41 Sermokala wrote:
Its bizzare to see someone saying it would be the right move to negotiate with terrorists that have nothing to negotiate for.

The difference between the Mohawks were arguing over basic treaties that they had the mistake of believing that the government would adhere to. These dregs of society have openly stated they hate the other people in their country and want them to die. They're protesting basic health standards that everyone has been okay with for decades. The only thing that would appease them is to endanger the public health by ignoring the successful plans that have resulted in the objectively better situation that Canada finds itself in.

Rolling out the military like he should have presumed that the local government didn't want these protests to succeed. The difference between Otawa and the rest of canada+the world is that the police actually did their job and refused to allow these terrorists to dig themselves in.

If there was something that you could reference to support your position you would cite the OWS protests. But even in that case we learned how meaningless peaceful protests are for the left.

On February 18 2022 04:41 Sermokala wrote:
Its bizzare to see someone saying it would be the right move to negotiate with terrorists that have nothing to negotiate for.

On February 19 2022 04:25 JimmiC wrote:
In general I think people should have the mind set of "If there are horrible people here (white supremists, facists, neo nazis or whatever) why do I agree with them, maybe I should rethink my position".

On February 18 2022 04:41 Sermokala wrote:
These dregs of society have openly stated they hate the other people in their country and want them to die. They're protesting basic health standards that everyone has been okay with for decades. The only thing that would appease them is to endanger the public health by ignoring the successful plans that have resulted in the objectively better situation that Canada finds itself in.

@falling, first truckers are not specifically mandated for vaccination, its crossing the boarder and returning that is for everyone.

Second Truckers are specifically mandated on how much they can drive and now are required by law to only drive for a certain amount of hours and it is tracked electronically. That effected EVERY trucker, not just the ignorant ones scared of science and where was your made up outrage?

Are you guys really completely unaware of all the health and safety rules that basically all non white collar jobs are subject too? Holy shit.

In general I think people should have the mind set of "If there are horrible people here (white supremists, facists, neo nazis or whatever) why do I agree with them, maybe I should rethink my position".

These dregs of society have openly stated they hate the other people in their country and want them to die.

As the night wore on and the rain turned to snow, those conversations repeated themselves. The man from Newfoundland with his bullmastiff, a young couple from British Columbia, the group from Winnipeg that together form what they call “Manitoba Corner ” all of them with similar stories. At Manitoba Corner a boisterous heavily tattooed man spoke to me from the cab of his dually pickup truck – a man who had a look that would have fit right in on the set of some motorcycle movie – pointed out that there are no symbols of hate in the convoy. He said, “Yes there was some clown with a Nazi flag on the weekend, and we don’t know where he’s from, but I’ll tell you what, if we see anyone with a Nazi flag or a Confederate flag, we’ll kick his fucking teeth in. No one’s a Nazi here.” Manitoba Corner all gave a shout out to that.

Those of us who cut our teeth in the 1980s peace movement know this pattern well. The Vancouver Peace March once attracted as much as 10 percent of the city’s population (50,000 protesters at its peak) for an annual walk across Burrard Bridge to support global nuclear disarmament. The vanguard of the march comprised the Trotskyites, Maoists, and other communist sectarians and foreign-dictator enthusiasts, who saw this as their big annual opportunity to radicalize and recruit ordinary anti-nuclear activists.

Right-wing commentators sought to discredit these protests by heavily featuring and platforming the most off-topic or radical protesters, and then seeking to paint all protesters with that broad brush. This approach generally failed, and was mocked by the mainstream press, which depicted the diversity of protesters and homemade signs as a sign of the depth of the movement’s support.

But in the case of the truckers, that hatchet-job approach is working, because our society’s values have changed, and because the target audience is different.
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What I am really trying to do is sound a cultural alarm bell about the exaltation of order, discipline, and control. These are authoritarian impulses. In a nation where rapid change is not just a moral necessity, but an ecological one, we must not only retain the capacity for mass mobilization, but also the ability to properly recognize and resist actual authoritarian forces, irrespective of whether they fly under progressive or conservative banners.

On February 19 2022 19:15 Salazarz wrote:
You can come up with a ridiculous comparison to make pretty much any argument look like a fallacy. Folks attending an event organized / supported by baddies of some sort doesn't necessarily mean they are the same sort of baddies -- but it should make you wonder, why do it, nonetheless. I would be inclined to agree with you if the only argument against folks going to this rally was that, 'well some nazis went there, too' -- but the links between far right and these protests are significantly deeper than that, at least as far as I can tell.

Your examples of Israel & art are completely nonsensical. Enjoying the same sort of art or having the same kind of views on a specific issue is not even remotely the same as physically being present at a protest. Neither of your examples have an active component so really, they're an entirely different thing.

Likewise, you trying to explain the protests away by how the restrictions on truckers aren't logical at this point is also nonsensical. It doesn't actually matter whether their reason for protesting is valid or not -- the way they are protesting is harming and endangering people and has to stop, simple as that. Like, if I were to protest against weapon sales and support of war in Yemen by, I don't know, torching kindergartens, I don't think there'd be too many people lining up justify that by how the war is an atrocity and thus my actions are justified, so I'm not sure why you think the supposed validity of the truckers' cause somehow justifies what they are doing.

On February 20 2022 07:55 BlackJack wrote:


Falling was responding to someone that said the protestors don't have a legitimate reason to protest. If you think the position of the truckers is completely moot to the conversation then perhaps you should have addressed that to the person that Falling was responding to instead of accusing him of "explaining away the protests."

1. The truckers don't have a legit reason to protest because ABC
2. I disagree, the truckers do have a legit reason because XYZ
3. It doesn't matter if their reason is valid or not, their methods are the issue.

When someone challenges 1, you just hide behind 3. A little cowardly, but effective. I think most people would agree that if 1 was actually a good point you'd just defend it instead of shifting to 3.