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muse5187
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
1125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 04:20:41
August 31 2011 04:19 GMT
#11561
On August 31 2011 13:17 tab420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 13:11 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:07 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:05 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 12:40 muse5187 wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here for anyone who wants to educate themselves on the subject. It's going to be added to the new diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. Notice the use of the words physical symptoms over and over.
lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430#

no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache

So you only read the introduction? good job.

where did i say i only read the intro? troll i was just showing the only place i found the words physical symptoms since you said they were used over and over point them out if they are

You didn't read the bulk of the document which is under "rationale" which talks about physical withdrawals in great detail... I'm done arguing with you. I offer you proof and all you say is that.


lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.


Like I said, you obviously didn't read the document. You can argue semantics all you want, it doesn't change the reality.
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
August 31 2011 04:21 GMT
#11562
dadadaddddodododododod the stanky leg
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
tab420
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada42 Posts
August 31 2011 04:24 GMT
#11563
On August 31 2011 13:19 muse5187 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 13:17 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:11 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:07 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:05 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 12:40 muse5187 wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here for anyone who wants to educate themselves on the subject. It's going to be added to the new diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. Notice the use of the words physical symptoms over and over.
lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430#

no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache

So you only read the introduction? good job.

where did i say i only read the intro? troll i was just showing the only place i found the words physical symptoms since you said they were used over and over point them out if they are

You didn't read the bulk of the document which is under "rationale" which talks about physical withdrawals in great detail... I'm done arguing with you. I offer you proof and all you say is that.


lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.


Like I said, you obviously didn't read the document. You can argue semantics all you want, it doesn't change the reality.

dude please show me where it says copy and paste one thing because seriously i dont see where it says it i think your the one who didnt read it because you wont even show me also wtf semantics am i arguing about you think evidence as a different meaning then me? so you think when they say evidence they mean fact?
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
August 31 2011 04:25 GMT
#11564
On August 31 2011 13:24 tab420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 13:19 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:17 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:11 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:07 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:05 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 12:40 muse5187 wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here for anyone who wants to educate themselves on the subject. It's going to be added to the new diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. Notice the use of the words physical symptoms over and over.
lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430#

no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache

So you only read the introduction? good job.

where did i say i only read the intro? troll i was just showing the only place i found the words physical symptoms since you said they were used over and over point them out if they are

You didn't read the bulk of the document which is under "rationale" which talks about physical withdrawals in great detail... I'm done arguing with you. I offer you proof and all you say is that.


lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.


Like I said, you obviously didn't read the document. You can argue semantics all you want, it doesn't change the reality.

dude please show me where it says copy and paste one thing because seriously i dont see where it says it i think your the one who didnt read it because you wont even show me also wtf semantics am i arguing about you think evidence as a different meaning then me? so you think when they say evidence they mean fact?

They reported a PCA solution also with two primary factors. One was labeled a Physical and included physical discomfort, tremor muscle twitches, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and upset stomach.
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
tab420
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada42 Posts
August 31 2011 04:27 GMT
#11565
On August 31 2011 13:25 Valentine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 13:24 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:19 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:17 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:11 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:07 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:05 muse5187 wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:
On August 31 2011 12:40 muse5187 wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here for anyone who wants to educate themselves on the subject. It's going to be added to the new diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. Notice the use of the words physical symptoms over and over.
lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430#

no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache

So you only read the introduction? good job.

where did i say i only read the intro? troll i was just showing the only place i found the words physical symptoms since you said they were used over and over point them out if they are

You didn't read the bulk of the document which is under "rationale" which talks about physical withdrawals in great detail... I'm done arguing with you. I offer you proof and all you say is that.


lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.


Like I said, you obviously didn't read the document. You can argue semantics all you want, it doesn't change the reality.

dude please show me where it says copy and paste one thing because seriously i dont see where it says it i think your the one who didnt read it because you wont even show me also wtf semantics am i arguing about you think evidence as a different meaning then me? so you think when they say evidence they mean fact?

Show nested quote +
They reported a PCA solution also with two primary factors. One was labeled a Physical and included physical discomfort, tremor muscle twitches, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and upset stomach.

ya i know man i posted that earlier
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 04:31:42
August 31 2011 04:28 GMT
#11566
*sigh*

This thread is disappointing. So many people telling me what I did and didn't experience as if they know somehow. The complete lack of intelligence here reinforces the stoner stereotype :\

Also:

1. No, my stuff wasn't laced. I got it from multiple sources.
2. I smoked at least a gram a day, sometimes more. It was always high grade Oregon stuff.
3. I did smoke for at least five months daily. I picked up daily smoking at the end of October '09 and took my two week break in April.
4. Yes, I do sometimes start experiencing mini-withdrawals sometimes even less than 12 hours after the last time I've smoked. Sometimes I feel anxious and agitated and smoking makes it all go away, much like with tobacco addicts.

As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
NEXUS6
Profile Joined July 2011
United States413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 04:31:36
August 31 2011 04:29 GMT
#11567
so basically is Tuesday night weird night to do some blunt blowin but here i am looking at this light bulb and it is one of those big perfect circle ones with a real soft light and if you just look at it for a while and forget it is a light bulb it looks so soft like if you were an alien it seems like a power source something you would want to absorb into yourself maybe like the sunflower energy you click in plants vs zombies . its a nice light bulb just my 2c
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 04:36:30
August 31 2011 04:35 GMT
#11568
After smoking pretty much daily for the past year or so, I have to say that a few days after stopping, I did seem to have less of an appetite and I didn't sleep well.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
BFCrimson
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 08:00:14
August 31 2011 07:59 GMT
#11569
Just read through the last few pages of this thread, killed my high =\

Time to go repack....
Kojak21
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1104 Posts
August 31 2011 07:59 GMT
#11570
I'm high on life, can i post here????
¯\_(☺)_/¯
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 31 2011 08:16 GMT
#11571
Yup, you definitely can!

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sm0b
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 09:19:05
August 31 2011 09:13 GMT
#11572
So you know what ruins my high more than anything? Staying up til 2am PST to watch my favorite players play in the GSL only to hear Moletraps... nvm I don't want to start a Moletrap bashing because Tastosis is casting tonight

All is well!

PS. Tastosis' jokes are hilarious when you're high.
Penguin
Profile Joined October 2002
Australia388 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 12:44:08
August 31 2011 12:42 GMT
#11573
Weed + GSL + Tastetosis = Happy *^^*
Live and let live...
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
August 31 2011 12:47 GMT
#11574
fuck my liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife. 2 wisdom teeth out yesterday and im pretty chipmunk-ed atm

cant smoke a boooooooooooooowl. At least I can kinda slowly eat a pot brownie.

also GOGOG HUUUUUUUUUK
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 13:38:33
August 31 2011 13:28 GMT
#11575
On August 31 2011 21:47 N3rV[Green] wrote:
fuck my liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife. 2 wisdom teeth out yesterday and im pretty chipmunk-ed atm

cant smoke a boooooooooooooowl. At least I can kinda slowly eat a pot brownie.

also GOGOG HUUUUUUUUUK

roll a joint, that should work right?

as if Huk has any shot against MVP :/

lol @ppl saying you get physical withdrawals symptoms from weed. Insomnia and Irritability aren't physical. If you get real physical syndrome, then you're probably hypochondriac.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 31 2011 13:32 GMT
#11576
was freaking out because i couldn't find the weed that i had hidden a few days ago
but i found it so it all ended well
i will be thinking of this thread when i smoke, ciao
lalala
Zeburial
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden1126 Posts
August 31 2011 13:38 GMT
#11577
On August 31 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:
was freaking out because i couldn't find the weed that i had hidden a few days ago
but i found it so it all ended well
i will be thinking of this thread when i smoke, ciao


haha damn. I've lived in the same place for quite a while now and I've hidden a little bit of weed allover the place, but always when I'm high.. so I've not yet found everything xD
Empires are not brought down by outside forces - they are destroyed by weaknesses from within
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 14:22:25
August 31 2011 14:21 GMT
#11578
On August 31 2011 22:38 Zeburial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:
was freaking out because i couldn't find the weed that i had hidden a few days ago
but i found it so it all ended well
i will be thinking of this thread when i smoke, ciao


haha damn. I've lived in the same place for quite a while now and I've hidden a little bit of weed allover the place, but always when I'm high.. so I've not yet found everything xD

that's awesome. I always find weed when i do laundry as i almost always have a small bud with me. aka my emergency survival kit. haha.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
August 31 2011 16:28 GMT
#11579
On August 31 2011 13:28 Voltaire wrote:
*sigh*

This thread is disappointing. So many people telling me what I did and didn't experience as if they know somehow. The complete lack of intelligence here reinforces the stoner stereotype :\

Also:

1. No, my stuff wasn't laced. I got it from multiple sources.
2. I smoked at least a gram a day, sometimes more. It was always high grade Oregon stuff.
3. I did smoke for at least five months daily. I picked up daily smoking at the end of October '09 and took my two week break in April.
4. Yes, I do sometimes start experiencing mini-withdrawals sometimes even less than 12 hours after the last time I've smoked. Sometimes I feel anxious and agitated and smoking makes it all go away, much like with tobacco addicts.




Sorry to say it so bluntly, but Weed DOESN'T have withdrawal effects. It's actually just all in your head.

Being a ciggy smoker as well as a pot smoker, who has smoked at least a bowl every day since spring break of my tenth grade year. ( which makes this the 5th year of continual smoking.) and ciggys less time than that. When I try to quit or must not smoke a ciggy for a few days I can 100% feel the effects and willpower can not always hold out.

I have never had the same problem with weed. I have gone long weekends and weeks without pot and feel absolutely nothing cause I KNOW FOR A FACT that weed has no physical withdrawal symptoms. It's amazing what mindset can do to you.


Seriously people, just cause it's on a website doesn't make it true. I use direct experience for my understanding of this world, and direct experience shows for me AND just about all of my friends that I can think of, weed has no negative withdrawal effects.

PS. Wanting to smoke a bowl is not withdrawal, it's just what you're brain is used to. Also a lot of those things that are listed as "withdrawal symptoms" are things that you smoke weed to relieve. I have chronic stomach pain and have for years. If I don't smoke my stomach hurts more than if I do, does that mean it is withdrawal? What about headaches? same things.

And many more.

Weed is not addictive in the sense that meth and ciggys and alcohol can be. It just isn't and this is a fact. It is also a fact that PHYSICAL WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS do not come with weed, and if they are "withdrawal effects" they are so fucking mild that it seriously doesn't matter. The reason withdrawal is a known problem is because withdrawal from certain things can actually end your life. Alcohol withdrawal can kill you, heroin withdrawal can kill you, just smoking meth can prolly kill you.

When you stop smoking weed.....you well, want to smoke a bowl every now and again? Thats nothing. You get the stomach aches and headaches and muscle aches that you have been getting the whole while, except now you actually notice/feel them, instead of the weed stopping it.

Seriously. Just stop with the fucking withdrawal shit.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
muse5187
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
1125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 17:03:15
August 31 2011 16:54 GMT
#11580
On September 01 2011 01:28 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 13:28 Voltaire wrote:
*sigh*

This thread is disappointing. So many people telling me what I did and didn't experience as if they know somehow. The complete lack of intelligence here reinforces the stoner stereotype :\

Also:

1. No, my stuff wasn't laced. I got it from multiple sources.
2. I smoked at least a gram a day, sometimes more. It was always high grade Oregon stuff.
3. I did smoke for at least five months daily. I picked up daily smoking at the end of October '09 and took my two week break in April.
4. Yes, I do sometimes start experiencing mini-withdrawals sometimes even less than 12 hours after the last time I've smoked. Sometimes I feel anxious and agitated and smoking makes it all go away, much like with tobacco addicts.




Sorry to say it so bluntly, but Weed DOESN'T have withdrawal effects. It's actually just all in your head.

Being a ciggy smoker as well as a pot smoker, who has smoked at least a bowl every day since spring break of my tenth grade year. ( which makes this the 5th year of continual smoking.) and ciggys less time than that. When I try to quit or must not smoke a ciggy for a few days I can 100% feel the effects and willpower can not always hold out.

I have never had the same problem with weed. I have gone long weekends and weeks without pot and feel absolutely nothing cause I KNOW FOR A FACT that weed has no physical withdrawal symptoms. It's amazing what mindset can do to you.


Seriously people, just cause it's on a website doesn't make it true. I use direct experience for my understanding of this world, and direct experience shows for me AND just about all of my friends that I can think of, weed has no negative withdrawal effects.

PS. Wanting to smoke a bowl is not withdrawal, it's just what you're brain is used to. Also a lot of those things that are listed as "withdrawal symptoms" are things that you smoke weed to relieve. I have chronic stomach pain and have for years. If I don't smoke my stomach hurts more than if I do, does that mean it is withdrawal? What about headaches? same things.

And many more.

Weed is not addictive in the sense that meth and ciggys and alcohol can be. It just isn't and this is a fact. It is also a fact that PHYSICAL WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS do not come with weed, and if they are "withdrawal effects" they are so fucking mild that it seriously doesn't matter. The reason withdrawal is a known problem is because withdrawal from certain things can actually end your life. Alcohol withdrawal can kill you, heroin withdrawal can kill you, just smoking meth can prolly kill you.

When you stop smoking weed.....you well, want to smoke a bowl every now and again? Thats nothing. You get the stomach aches and headaches and muscle aches that you have been getting the whole while, except now you actually notice/feel them, instead of the weed stopping it.

Seriously. Just stop with the fucking withdrawal shit.

So you and your friend(s) didn't experience X, so X must not exist? Right. Also a bowl a day is not nearly enough to be considered a heavy smoker.

Here's another decent article to read:

+ Show Spoiler +

By John Gever, Staff Writer, MedPage Today
Published: May 07, 2008
Reviewed by Dori F. Zaleznik, MD; Associate Clinical Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston.
Action Points
Explain to interested patients that the study found evidence that many marijuana users have withdrawal symptoms when they attempt to quit, leading to relapse in a large majority.

Point out that the study relied on participants' self-reports of past behaviors and experiences, and that the sample was demographically very different from national averages.

Note that this study was published as an abstract and presented orally at a conference. These data and conclusions should be considered to be preliminary until published in a peer-reviewed journal.
WASHINGTON, May 7 -- Cannabis withdrawal is a real syndrome that clinicians must take into account when treating patients who are trying to quit using marijuana, a researcher said here.
One-third of pot smokers who reported a serious but unsuccessful past effort to quit resumed marijuana use because of withdrawal symptoms, David Gorelick, M.D., Ph.D., of the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Baltimore, reported at the American Psychiatric Association meeting.

That finding confirms a series of smaller studies that also identified a set of symptoms that emerge with marijuana cessation and disappear upon its resumption.

"I think the consensus now is that there is a cannabis withdrawal syndrome," Dr. Gorelick said. "[It] warrants attention during treatment of cannabis dependence."

Although the syndrome was not included in the DSM-IV diagnostic manual for psychiatric diseases, issued in 1994, Dr. Gorelick predicted it would be in the next version.

The findings came from questionnaires administered to 469 self-reported marijuana users 18 to 64 years old from the Baltimore area, who were recruited by advertisements and word of mouth.

About 28% reported more than 10,000 lifetime uses of marijuana, the equivalent of once-daily use for 27 years. More than half the sample reported at least 2,000 lifetime uses.

"We get the picture that these were heavier users," Dr. Gorelick said.

Some 90.6% had at least three dependence criteria as defined in DSM-IV's section on general substance dependence.

Fewer than half -- 42.4% -- said they had experienced withdrawal symptoms when they tried to quit.

Among those that did, reported symptoms were both physical and psychological, Dr. Gorelick said.

Physical symptoms were primarily gastrointestinal, such as stomach upset and nausea. Reported by about 12% to 23% of participants, they were less prevalent than the psychological symptoms.

Mood symptoms included irritability, anxiety, and sadness.

Other psychological symptoms were insomnia, increased or decreased appetite, increased or decreased libido, and boredom.

About one-third of the sample reported improved memory, and more than 90% reported marijuana cravings.

Of those reporting having had withdrawal symptoms, 78.4% said they began using marijuana again to reduce them.

"Withdrawal is a negative reinforcer for relapse," Dr. Gorelick said.

The most common dependence-associated behaviors among those who resumed marijuana use because of withdrawal symptoms were:

Using more than intended
Inability to cut down use
Spending a lot of time using
Giving up other activities in order to use
Dr. Gorelick cautioned that the study may not be generalizable to the population as a whole. About half the sample was unemployed, more than 70% were never married, and 80% were African-American. These characteristics differ substantially from the average profile of marijuana users nationally, he said.

The study also relied on participants' self-reports of past behaviors and experiences, which may not be entirely correct.

Kyle Kampman, M.D., of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, said the study "was very well done."

He said practitioners who treat substance abuse disorders were not inclined to doubt the findings. "Clinically, we see marijuana withdrawal," said Dr. Kampman, who was not involved with the study.

He is now part of a trial investigating oral delta-tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active ingredient in marijuana, as a potential treatment for marijuana withdrawal.

He said he was unaware of any other clinical studies of marijuana withdrawal treatments. Although cannabinoid drugs have been investigated for pain and other conditions, he did not know of commercial development activity in marijuana withdrawal.

"People are just now beginning to think about it," he said.

The study was funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.
The authors reported no potential conflicts of interest.



Primary source: American Psychiatric Association, abstract # 30
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/APA/9369
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