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On August 31 2011 12:29 tab420 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 12:21 Voltaire wrote:On August 31 2011 12:10 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:59 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:56 puppykiller wrote:On August 31 2011 11:49 Valentine wrote:Lol I really don't get why everyone is getting upset.. I was fairly certain that it was common knowledge that a chronic smoker [lol] will suffer some minor physical withdrawal symptoms [insomnia] after stopping use. On August 31 2011 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 11:44 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:43 howerpower wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:
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Not really.
Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. actually it's not Good argument. Looks like I've been bested here. do you smoke or are you just here to criticize everyone and ruin the thread And yes, I do smoke and use quite a few different drugs as well. On August 31 2011 11:48 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:06 waffleduck wrote:
Debatable Not really. Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. They probably started using regularly to combat insomnia/depression/lethargy and when they stop using it come back. whoa Not everybody starts smoking to alleviate issues like that. I'm actually not trying to be a dick but I don't understand why all of you just got so upset lol. If you say somthing the tinyest negative about weed.. expect an overreaction. truth is most stoners dont actually enjoy smoking and just pretend to. I just kind of expected some people on TL to not automatically assume that someone stating that weed has physical withdrawal symptoms to not immediately gang up and assume I'm a fucking radical trying to ruin their lives. Just because I'm not talking like an omg420BRO doesn't mean that I don't love weed or belong to the smoking community. I expected the high thread to be a little more relaxed, you know, because you're all high? I think its more the fact that what you said is WRONG more than in offended anyone bro. So you are claiming he is wrong that you can get addicted to weed? So the withdrawal I go through if I don't smoke for 12+ hours is imaginary? It's not that hard to deal with if you're kept busy, but if you aren't, it can be. Here are some withdrawal symptoms I experienced after I stopped cold turkey for about two weeks after smoking at least a gram a day every day for 5 months: Stomach tightness and aching Complete loss of appetite Restlessness Insomnia Inability to relax Constant tapping, pacing, other compulsive movements Depression/Anxiety These symptoms began the night I ran out and peaked about 36 hours in. After that they weakened slowly over the next 4-5 days, and after that only the loss of appetite remained (one meal a day -_-) Anyone who has smoked daily long term knows how silly it is to say it's impossible to get addicted. It's usually not a very strong addiction compared to other things alcohol, tobacco, hard drugs, but it's still an addiction. the addiction is all in your head though ive stopped before and have expereinced restlessness and insomnia also but thats because i sat here doing nothing but thinking about getting high its all in your head if you went for a walk you would sleep because your getting your mind of it and your actually doing something instead of sitting there looking at your bong thinking about weed and how awesome it is the same thing would happen to me if i sat here thinking about playing sc2. sc2 is addicting but its not physical
Oh sorry, I wasn't aware you could read peoples minds and know what they are going through. Just because you didn't experience something proves jack fucking shit. There are so many variables. The fact is it exists.
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On August 31 2011 12:29 tab420 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 12:21 Voltaire wrote:On August 31 2011 12:10 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:59 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:56 puppykiller wrote:On August 31 2011 11:49 Valentine wrote:Lol I really don't get why everyone is getting upset.. I was fairly certain that it was common knowledge that a chronic smoker [lol] will suffer some minor physical withdrawal symptoms [insomnia] after stopping use. On August 31 2011 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 11:44 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:43 howerpower wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:
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Not really.
Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. actually it's not Good argument. Looks like I've been bested here. do you smoke or are you just here to criticize everyone and ruin the thread And yes, I do smoke and use quite a few different drugs as well. On August 31 2011 11:48 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:06 waffleduck wrote:
Debatable Not really. Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. They probably started using regularly to combat insomnia/depression/lethargy and when they stop using it come back. whoa Not everybody starts smoking to alleviate issues like that. I'm actually not trying to be a dick but I don't understand why all of you just got so upset lol. If you say somthing the tinyest negative about weed.. expect an overreaction. truth is most stoners dont actually enjoy smoking and just pretend to. I just kind of expected some people on TL to not automatically assume that someone stating that weed has physical withdrawal symptoms to not immediately gang up and assume I'm a fucking radical trying to ruin their lives. Just because I'm not talking like an omg420BRO doesn't mean that I don't love weed or belong to the smoking community. I expected the high thread to be a little more relaxed, you know, because you're all high? I think its more the fact that what you said is WRONG more than in offended anyone bro. So you are claiming he is wrong that you can get addicted to weed? So the withdrawal I go through if I don't smoke for 12+ hours is imaginary? It's not that hard to deal with if you're kept busy, but if you aren't, it can be. Here are some withdrawal symptoms I experienced after I stopped cold turkey for about two weeks after smoking at least a gram a day every day for 5 months: Stomach tightness and aching Complete loss of appetite Restlessness Insomnia Inability to relax Constant tapping, pacing, other compulsive movements Depression/Anxiety These symptoms began the night I ran out and peaked about 36 hours in. After that they weakened slowly over the next 4-5 days, and after that only the loss of appetite remained (one meal a day -_-) Anyone who has smoked daily long term knows how silly it is to say it's impossible to get addicted. It's usually not a very strong addiction compared to other things alcohol, tobacco, hard drugs, but it's still an addiction. the addiction is all in your head though ive stopped before and have expereinced restlessness and insomnia also but thats because i sat here doing nothing but thinking about getting high its all in your head if you went for a walk you would sleep because your getting your mind of it and your actually doing something instead of sitting there looking at your bong thinking about weed and how awesome it is the same thing would happen to me if i sat here thinking about playing sc2. sc2 is addicting but its not physical
Yeah I agree with this guy, you're just crazy man. or ur weed is laced with meth or some shit.
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[B]On August 31 2011 12:21 Voltaire wrote:[/B
So you are claiming he is wrong that you can get addicted to weed? So the withdrawal I go through if I don't smoke for 12+ hours is imaginary? It's not that hard to deal with if you're kept busy, but if you aren't, it can be.
Dude, if you're having severe withdrawal symptoms after 12 hours, you're doing something wrong somewhere. That just doesn't happen.
Here are some withdrawal symptoms I experienced after I stopped cold turkey for about two weeks after smoking at least a gram a day every day for 5 months:
Stomach tightness and aching
Complete loss of appetite
Restlessness
Insomnia
Inability to relax
Constant tapping, pacing, other compulsive movements
Depression/Anxiety
A gram a day for five months and now a normal balanced child is depressed and not eating at all? That's not even that severe a habit. Or for that long. I feel like you're really exaggerating everything.
These symptoms began the night I ran out and peaked about 36 hours in. After that they weakened slowly over the next 4-5 days, and after that only the loss of appetite remained (one meal a day -_-)
Anyone who has smoked daily long term knows how silly it is to say it's impossible to get addicted. It's usually not a very strong addiction compared to other things alcohol, tobacco, hard drugs, but it's still an addiction.
The fact that you're talking about when your 'weed withdrawal symptoms peaked' kinda just shocks me. Whether or not they're even possible is up for debate, if you're feeling something that severe it's unlikely that you're experiencing withdrawal.
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On August 31 2011 12:32 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 12:29 tab420 wrote:On August 31 2011 12:21 Voltaire wrote:On August 31 2011 12:10 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:59 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:56 puppykiller wrote:On August 31 2011 11:49 Valentine wrote:Lol I really don't get why everyone is getting upset.. I was fairly certain that it was common knowledge that a chronic smoker [lol] will suffer some minor physical withdrawal symptoms [insomnia] after stopping use. On August 31 2011 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 11:44 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:43 howerpower wrote:
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actually it's not Good argument. Looks like I've been bested here. do you smoke or are you just here to criticize everyone and ruin the thread And yes, I do smoke and use quite a few different drugs as well. On August 31 2011 11:48 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:06 waffleduck wrote:
Debatable Not really. Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. They probably started using regularly to combat insomnia/depression/lethargy and when they stop using it come back. whoa Not everybody starts smoking to alleviate issues like that. I'm actually not trying to be a dick but I don't understand why all of you just got so upset lol. If you say somthing the tinyest negative about weed.. expect an overreaction. truth is most stoners dont actually enjoy smoking and just pretend to. I just kind of expected some people on TL to not automatically assume that someone stating that weed has physical withdrawal symptoms to not immediately gang up and assume I'm a fucking radical trying to ruin their lives. Just because I'm not talking like an omg420BRO doesn't mean that I don't love weed or belong to the smoking community. I expected the high thread to be a little more relaxed, you know, because you're all high? I think its more the fact that what you said is WRONG more than in offended anyone bro. So you are claiming he is wrong that you can get addicted to weed? So the withdrawal I go through if I don't smoke for 12+ hours is imaginary? It's not that hard to deal with if you're kept busy, but if you aren't, it can be. Here are some withdrawal symptoms I experienced after I stopped cold turkey for about two weeks after smoking at least a gram a day every day for 5 months: Stomach tightness and aching Complete loss of appetite Restlessness Insomnia Inability to relax Constant tapping, pacing, other compulsive movements Depression/Anxiety These symptoms began the night I ran out and peaked about 36 hours in. After that they weakened slowly over the next 4-5 days, and after that only the loss of appetite remained (one meal a day -_-) Anyone who has smoked daily long term knows how silly it is to say it's impossible to get addicted. It's usually not a very strong addiction compared to other things alcohol, tobacco, hard drugs, but it's still an addiction. the addiction is all in your head though ive stopped before and have expereinced restlessness and insomnia also but thats because i sat here doing nothing but thinking about getting high its all in your head if you went for a walk you would sleep because your getting your mind of it and your actually doing something instead of sitting there looking at your bong thinking about weed and how awesome it is the same thing would happen to me if i sat here thinking about playing sc2. sc2 is addicting but its not physical Oh sorry, I wasn't aware you could read peoples minds and know what they are going through. Just because you didn't experience something proves jack fucking shit. There are so many variables. The fact is it exists.
ROFL well now you know i can read minds ok im not saying there arent alot of variables i agree with you clown but if your saying there are alot of variables then you cant say that its a fact that its physically addicting wtf makes your experience the right one? im not trying to argue im just saying its stupid to call it a fact and say it is when scientist cant even prove that it is
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Wow, there are some annoying trolls in here tonight. cya later!
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On August 31 2011 12:37 muse5187 wrote:
Wow, there are some annoying trolls in here tonight. cya later!
lol were trolls because we dont agree with your statement? wtf
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This is not what I come to this thread for.
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LOL everyone goes quiet.
[e] Even after reading that though it seems psychological to me. They want weed to be physically addictive so they can justify keeping it illegal. Idk i could just be high though.
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On August 31 2011 12:56 waffleduck wrote:
LOL everyone goes quiet.
The thread is getting pretty messy, and nobody is really listening to each other anyway.
Smoke on!
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Good news everyone. This is a highjack. Everyone put your hands in the air and don't reach for the submit button or i`ll release the lolcats.
This thread is now a "High Thread" instead of "Look at me I'm so educated when I quote weed stuff from wikipedia"
In case that is not enough I will erase everyone's memory for 3 minutes. After that you can get your memory back. As to prove yourself I did erase your memory answer the next question (no google, no friends, no cheating):
In the fairly common story "Wizard of Oz" Dorothy gathered some companions in her way to the Emerald city, each wanting something, the Lion wanted courage, the Scarecrow wanted a heart,
What did Tin-man wanted to ask for himself?
Fast as the wind, strong as a rock, high as a kite.
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On August 31 2011 12:26 Valentine wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 12:10 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:59 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:56 puppykiller wrote:On August 31 2011 11:49 Valentine wrote:Lol I really don't get why everyone is getting upset.. I was fairly certain that it was common knowledge that a chronic smoker [lol] will suffer some minor physical withdrawal symptoms [insomnia] after stopping use. On August 31 2011 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 11:44 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:43 howerpower wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:06 waffleduck wrote:
Debatable Not really. Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. actually it's not Good argument. Looks like I've been bested here. do you smoke or are you just here to criticize everyone and ruin the thread And yes, I do smoke and use quite a few different drugs as well. On August 31 2011 11:48 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:06 waffleduck wrote:
Debatable Not really. Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. They probably started using regularly to combat insomnia/depression/lethargy and when they stop using it come back. whoa Not everybody starts smoking to alleviate issues like that. I'm actually not trying to be a dick but I don't understand why all of you just got so upset lol. If you say somthing the tinyest negative about weed.. expect an overreaction. truth is most stoners dont actually enjoy smoking and just pretend to. I just kind of expected some people on TL to not automatically assume that someone stating that weed has physical withdrawal symptoms to not immediately gang up and assume I'm a fucking radical trying to ruin their lives. Just because I'm not talking like an omg420BRO doesn't mean that I don't love weed or belong to the smoking community. I expected the high thread to be a little more relaxed, you know, because you're all high? I think its more the fact that what you said is WRONG more than in offended anyone bro. Look, I understand that the general consensus among the smoking community is that marijuana only causes psychological dependence, but I think you should take a step back before arguing any further that there are no physical withdrawal symptoms from a heavy user. I'm not stating a view that's very popular to casual smokers who want to feel warm and fuzzy about how awesome weed is, but denying these symptoms is, as I previously stated, pretty silly.
There not very severe at all. 10 days of insomnia (~5 hours of sleep a night) if you smoked crack or shot heroine for that long the withdrawl could kill you. Caffeine withdrawl is worse too, hell even some prescription drugs have worse withdrawls.
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On August 31 2011 13:01 Hipsv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 12:26 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 12:10 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:59 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:56 puppykiller wrote:On August 31 2011 11:49 Valentine wrote:Lol I really don't get why everyone is getting upset.. I was fairly certain that it was common knowledge that a chronic smoker [lol] will suffer some minor physical withdrawal symptoms [insomnia] after stopping use. On August 31 2011 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 11:44 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:43 howerpower wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:
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Not really.
Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. actually it's not Good argument. Looks like I've been bested here. do you smoke or are you just here to criticize everyone and ruin the thread And yes, I do smoke and use quite a few different drugs as well. On August 31 2011 11:48 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:06 waffleduck wrote:
Debatable Not really. Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. They probably started using regularly to combat insomnia/depression/lethargy and when they stop using it come back. whoa Not everybody starts smoking to alleviate issues like that. I'm actually not trying to be a dick but I don't understand why all of you just got so upset lol. If you say somthing the tinyest negative about weed.. expect an overreaction. truth is most stoners dont actually enjoy smoking and just pretend to. I just kind of expected some people on TL to not automatically assume that someone stating that weed has physical withdrawal symptoms to not immediately gang up and assume I'm a fucking radical trying to ruin their lives. Just because I'm not talking like an omg420BRO doesn't mean that I don't love weed or belong to the smoking community. I expected the high thread to be a little more relaxed, you know, because you're all high? I think its more the fact that what you said is WRONG more than in offended anyone bro. Look, I understand that the general consensus among the smoking community is that marijuana only causes psychological dependence, but I think you should take a step back before arguing any further that there are no physical withdrawal symptoms from a heavy user. I'm not stating a view that's very popular to casual smokers who want to feel warm and fuzzy about how awesome weed is, but denying these symptoms is, as I previously stated, pretty silly. There not very severe at all. 10 days of insomnia (~5 hours of sleep a night) if you smoked crack or shot heroine for that long the withdrawl could kill you. Caffeine withdrawl is worse too, hell even some prescription drugs have worse withdrawls.
No one is arguing about the severity, some are claiming it doesn't exist and is "in your head." I mean it's pretty obvious weed withdrawal isn't going to compare to crack cocaine.
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no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache
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On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache
So you only read the introduction? good job.
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On August 31 2011 13:01 Hipsv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 12:26 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 12:10 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:59 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:56 puppykiller wrote:On August 31 2011 11:49 Valentine wrote:Lol I really don't get why everyone is getting upset.. I was fairly certain that it was common knowledge that a chronic smoker [lol] will suffer some minor physical withdrawal symptoms [insomnia] after stopping use. On August 31 2011 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 11:44 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:43 howerpower wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:
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Not really.
Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. actually it's not Good argument. Looks like I've been bested here. do you smoke or are you just here to criticize everyone and ruin the thread And yes, I do smoke and use quite a few different drugs as well. On August 31 2011 11:48 waffleduck wrote:On August 31 2011 11:29 Valentine wrote:On August 31 2011 11:06 waffleduck wrote:
Debatable Not really. Ever take a break from smoking after 1+ year of regular use? The most common issue is insomnia, and most people experience lethargy/depression as well as other problems. Of course it's nothing like a coke addiction or anything like that, but claiming that it has no physical withdrawal symptoms is kind of silly. They probably started using regularly to combat insomnia/depression/lethargy and when they stop using it come back. whoa Not everybody starts smoking to alleviate issues like that. I'm actually not trying to be a dick but I don't understand why all of you just got so upset lol. If you say somthing the tinyest negative about weed.. expect an overreaction. truth is most stoners dont actually enjoy smoking and just pretend to. I just kind of expected some people on TL to not automatically assume that someone stating that weed has physical withdrawal symptoms to not immediately gang up and assume I'm a fucking radical trying to ruin their lives. Just because I'm not talking like an omg420BRO doesn't mean that I don't love weed or belong to the smoking community. I expected the high thread to be a little more relaxed, you know, because you're all high? I think its more the fact that what you said is WRONG more than in offended anyone bro. Look, I understand that the general consensus among the smoking community is that marijuana only causes psychological dependence, but I think you should take a step back before arguing any further that there are no physical withdrawal symptoms from a heavy user. I'm not stating a view that's very popular to casual smokers who want to feel warm and fuzzy about how awesome weed is, but denying these symptoms is, as I previously stated, pretty silly. There not very severe at all. 10 days of insomnia (~5 hours of sleep a night) if you smoked crack or shot heroine for that long the withdrawl could kill you. Caffeine withdrawl is worse too, hell even some prescription drugs have worse withdrawls.
Well even in my original post, I specified that it isn't to be compared to coke or anything, only that they do exist lol. I assume you're not trying to argue with me so whatever :p
On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache
Well, it is only 1 of 7 possible symptoms listed (3 of which need to be met to fit the threshold of the definition). I've never heard of weed withdrawal causing fever, tremors, or sweating, though.
EDIT: to specify, I've never seen these particular symptoms, rather ;p
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On August 31 2011 13:05 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache So you only read the introduction? good job.
where did i say i only read the intro? troll i was just showing the only place i found the words physical symptoms since you said they were used over and over point them out if they are
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On August 31 2011 13:07 tab420 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:05 muse5187 wrote:On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache So you only read the introduction? good job. where did i say i only read the intro? troll i was just showing the only place i found the words physical symptoms since you said they were used over and over point them out if they are
You didn't read the bulk of the document which is under "rationale" which talks about physical withdrawals in great detail... I'm done arguing with you. I offer you proof and all you say is that.
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On August 31 2011 13:11 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:07 tab420 wrote:On August 31 2011 13:05 muse5187 wrote:On August 31 2011 13:04 tab420 wrote:no sorry i didnt see it over and over all i saw was this 7. Physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: must report at least one of the following: stomach pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, headache So you only read the introduction? good job. where did i say i only read the intro? troll i was just showing the only place i found the words physical symptoms since you said they were used over and over point them out if they are You didn't read the bulk of the document which is under "rationale" which talks about physical withdrawals in great detail... I'm done arguing with you. I offer you proof and all you say is that.
lol i read it http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=430# it doesnt say anywhere physical symptons in it and you cant even point them out lol thats all you have to say? all the rational says is that there is evidence of these symptons not fact but evidence and it does not say that they are physical besides the ones i listed.
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