EPTShots fired at Charlie Hebdo offices - France - Page 20
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
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Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:59 travis wrote: That is no concern, I already have received my grades for the semester. Basically my conclusion was "it's not black and white but no it was not right for them to publish the cartoons". I'll post it in a sec. I'd like to read it. I'm having a hard time thinking of a situation where peacefully exercising freedom of speech is wrong. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:03 FFW_Rude wrote: What is ISIS ? I think i know but the name is different in french. Guess they are "IS" instead of "ISIS" nowadays. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:59 travis wrote: That is no concern, I already have received my grades for the semester. Basically my conclusion was "it's not black and white but no it was not right for them to publish the cartoons". I'll post it in a sec. Take a step on the other side of the fence too  http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-the-freedom-to-offend-an-imaginary-god | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:55 Erasme wrote: I'm glad they're sending the police and not the army Terrorism should be fought with policemen and judges Terrorism should be dealt by cutting its roots. I hope those 12 people didn't lose their lives for nothing. And all of the guilties should be found and punished for it. Be it isis, alqaeda, eta or whatever. | ||
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:03 FFW_Rude wrote: What is ISIS ? I think i know but the name is different in french. I think they´re called "Daesh" in french/by the french government | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:01 pretender58 wrote: I´m interested in reading it as well ^^ @Zeromus: No, there´s no confirmation that these guys are from ISIS or any other particular group. But i think it´s highly likely they were influenced by radical islam (e.g. the target is a strong indicator) The guys were trained, it's obvious by the way they hold their weapon, fire shots one at a time, and kept their cool when killing and when they first missed the address and went to another building. Cold blood and professionnal behavior mean training. Be it in Syria, Irak, or somewhere else, it's not the work of 2 madmen. (well they are mad, but not idiots) There's a high chance they were trained in an organisation. I think some people heard them say they were from Al Qaeda. But they could just self proclaim that. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:04 Grettin wrote: Guess they are "IS" instead of "ISIS" nowadays. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant Oh i edited. My edited message question stands then. Thank you. I'm going home now. When something like that happens just.... be safe everyone. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:04 pretender58 wrote: I think they´re called "Daesh" in french/by the french government Daesh or Da'ish is more of a perjorative term and not exclusive to French (an abbreviation of al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi Iraq wa al-Sham) | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe. Sadly. e.g. "Pegida" in Germany but especially the already strong "Front National" in France | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe. That's what I fear as well. And that's precisely what Islamic terrorists groups want. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:55 travis wrote: This is strange because I recently finished writing a large research paper for my philosophy class. The subject I chose was whether or not it was "right" for Jyllands Posten to publish the muhammad cartoons that it did. That was over 9 years ago. Not much has changed. I can post my paper if anyone wants to read it. Yes it would be interesting. My opinion is that as long as it is not hate speech or an incitation to violence there is no problem about criticising any person. However we should be able to bash Religions and systems of ideas as harshly as we like. I think that in the case of religion, putting it back to its place should be mandatory. It's a secular state, if people can't get used to have their own ideas challenged, these ideas should be trashed even more. These sacro saint beliefs must not have any kind of impunity, it isn't up to a whole society, a whole country that has always fought for freedom of speech and secularism to change itself and go backwards. I thought we were already behind this, behind the political correctness as regards to religion. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:09 pretender58 wrote: Sadly. e.g. "Pegida" in Germany but especially the already strong "Front National" in France Wasn't the 'head' of National Front supposed to speak or release a statement to the public hours ago? Is it available somewhere.. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:09 OtherWorld wrote: That's what I fear as well. And that's precisely what Islamic terrorists groups want. Maybe its something they want, but its also something they will regret. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:10 Grettin wrote: Wasn't the 'head' of National Front supposed to speak or release a statement to the public hours ago? Is it available somewhere.. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe. I hope it does. I'm about as socialist as it gets, but this moral relativism bullshit that has infected Europe will continue to allow for this kind of stuff to happen. You can't just label this as another perspective and move on, patting yourself on the back for being tolerant. France did just fine prior to their influx of immigration. If this is how they are rewarded for their generosity, than I can't imagine them continuing to be. It's sad to realize people will still insist Islam has nothing to do with this. What the fuck is France supposed to do? They are under attack. I would greatly appreciate a translation. | ||
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