EPTShots fired at Charlie Hebdo offices - France - Page 18
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Arctyrus
Denmark77 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23283 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:31 FFW_Rude wrote: In a sense i want all of the world bomber to get off now. But in another. Where to strike ? For how many casualties ? Aren't we better than that ? Is there another solution ? Guys could be jihad wannabes and not even be part of a faction... we don't know anything from now. There is a few report of al quaida. But we don't even know Could be another organization. Could be anything really. Like I said before it could be radical hate group members looking to set off some war. With people talking about sending troops to some random place already, before we even have an identity, let alone an affiliation, it seems like it is much closer to working than I would of presumed. I just wonder what if on the off chance it did turn out to be a group of white christian Frenchmen looking to get news outlets to blame Muslims what people will have to say? | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
I hope they won't kill anybody else while they are being tracked, but what a depressing day  | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:34 JieXian wrote: Yes, books don't shoot people. But let's elaborate on that. If you managed to hire a hit man to take a life, would you say "It's not I that choose to kill, it's the hit man."? If instead you managed to convince someone to take a life, would you say "It's not I that chose to kill, it's someone else."? Then, if a book managed to convince another person to take a life, why say "It isn't books that choose to kill. It's people." People could do something to a book that can be misinterpreted to take a life. People chose not to - The book does not allow people to do something about it. People could not something to a book that can be misinterpreted to take a life. It isn't books that choose to kill. It's people. Always people. Because a person has an active influence on another person, while a book is an object and has a passive influence? Your reasoning honestly seems strange to me Oo | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:13 FFW_Rude wrote: In 2012 in an interview in "Le monde" Charb said : I don't have the impression of slitting the throat of someone with a pencil. I'm not making lives at risk. When activist needs a pretext to justify their violence, they always find it. And i have no childrne, no wife, no car, no loans. Maybe i'm gonna sound dumb with what i'm going to say but : "I prefer dying stood up than living crawling". Sorry for mistakes translation. Charb is one of the drawer that got killed today. The final line is better translated as "I'd rather die standing than live on my knees". On January 08 2015 01:36 ahswtini wrote: Apparently in the video where the police officer was executed, one of the attackers was speaking Russian? All media said the gunmen spoke French without accent. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:36 ahswtini wrote: Apparently in the video where the police officer was executed, one of the attackers was speaking Russian? Don't go down this road. No misinformation or lack of proper information please. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:35 Grettin wrote: Mobilization of whom? The French? They have been fighting against terror for years. So it has already happened. Do they have a standing army in Iraq and Syria? That's where ISIS is right now. I'm thinking ISIS ideology. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:35 Grettin wrote: Mobilization of whom? The French? They have been fighting against terror for years. So it has already happened. But i guess in a grand scheme of things, not that kind of mobilization.. Yep, we're at war, a strange one, but this is just part of it. | ||
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Aeromi
France14460 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:36 ahswtini wrote: Apparently in the video where the police officer was executed, one of the attackers was speaking Russian? No way. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
RIP T_T | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:36 GreenHorizons wrote: Like I said before it could be radical hate group members looking to set off some war. With people talking about sending troops to some random place already, before we even have an identity, let alone an affiliation, it seems like it is much closer to working than I would of presumed. I just wonder what if on the off chance it did turn out to be a group of white christian Frenchmen looking to get news outlets to blame Muslims what people will have to say? The White House press statement offering support/condolences to the victims seemed to imply a link to ISIL. Not sure if it's a confirmed link or if it's just a premature press statement. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:34 JieXian wrote: Yes, books don't shoot people. But let's elaborate on that. If you managed to hire a hit man to take a life, would you say "It's not I that choose to kill, it's the hit man."? If instead you managed to convince someone to take a life, would you say "It's not I that chose to kill, it's someone else."? Then, if a book managed to convince another person to take a life, why say "It isn't books that choose to kill. It's people." People could do something to a book that can be misinterpreted to take a life. People chose not to - The book does not allow people to do something about it. People could not something to a book that can be misinterpreted to take a life. It isn't books that choose to kill. It's people. Always people. It's the hitman that kills, yes. However it's you who gives the order. The hitman basically becomes the tool for the killing. Hitman is the killer, you are the murderer/conspirer. So Hitman = gun in that analogy. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
it sounds something like "don't touch me" or не трогайте меня (ne tro-gaetye menya) | ||
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:24 BisuDagger wrote: It's hard not to be filled with hate when something likes this happens. It just seems like there is never a correct response. I'm trying to imagine how the US should react if it happened here. If this happened in America and we decided to send soldiers to fight ISIS in response, would the world criticize the US like they always do? If France militarized against ISIS, shouldn't we support them for showing they are willing to fight for their citizens at all cost? ISIS´ heartland isn´t the biggest problem with local militias, the coalition air strikes etc The far more important frontline is the propaganda war by ISIS and to prevent radicalisation i.e. diminishing the influence which their propaganda exerts on young guys without perspective around the globe on topic: horrific attack, condolences to all those affected | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:39 frontliner2 wrote: Do they have a standing army in Iraq and Syria? That's where ISIS is right now. I'm thinking ISIS ideology. Considering how much it costs to have a standing army fighting terrorists in a foreign country, I'm pretty sure most French people would prefer France not having a standing army there. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
On January 08 2015 01:39 frontliner2 wrote: Do they have a standing army in Iraq and Syria? That's where ISIS is right now. I'm thinking ISIS ideology. About ten of our Rafale jets are bombing ISIS in Iraq, and the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle was rumoured to leave for the Gulf next week. No ground forces in Iraq, but only the American have any. | ||
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