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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 09 2006 13:40 GMT
#1
http://www.jeannettevejarano.com/games/tower-defence.html

So far I've managed 61. Will try again later.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
December 09 2006 13:50 GMT
#2
Haha, this is just like a Defense game.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
December 09 2006 14:02 GMT
#3
--- Nuked ---
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
December 09 2006 14:04 GMT
#4
i love it so far
Foresaken_Foreskin
Profile Joined December 2006
Canada92 Posts
December 09 2006 14:17 GMT
#5
im trying for that 3000$ cannon
Dont play to win. Play to perfect each aspect of the race you use.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 14:18:43
December 09 2006 14:18 GMT
#6
bleh I got wave 71 w/ pure ice.
Reason being ice has ungodly range xD
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 09 2006 14:22 GMT
#7
Got to 60, good game indeed.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
December 09 2006 14:27 GMT
#8
63
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
December 09 2006 14:37 GMT
#9
66, should've went all Ice. XD
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 14:46:07
December 09 2006 14:39 GMT
#10
LOL i tried nature's lover and only got 72 :X
I am playing this game nonstop, must've been bored :p

Try this:
Just 1 fire at the start, they upg fairly awesome for starters.
After you have the beginning part nailed, you mass nature towers in the middle where they can reach most monsters w/ their range.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 09 2006 14:40 GMT
#11
if you can get the third up of the last tower, you are golden
900090 dmg for 23000 in total.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 09 2006 14:43 GMT
#12
69 now!
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 09 2006 14:47 GMT
#13
On December 09 2006 23:40 oneofthem wrote:
if you can get the third up of the last tower, you are golden
900090 dmg for 23000 in total.

U kinda die before that thou :D

So far Nature tower's my favorite, because it's damage is 9k and range of 200, and cost less than ice/fire.
Thunder tower is useless Maybe just build one for start and mass something else?
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
December 09 2006 14:55 GMT
#14
just got 74 with mass nature towers
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
December 09 2006 14:59 GMT
#15
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10366 Posts
December 09 2006 15:01 GMT
#16
Mass Nature is the only thing to do and even then you are never going to hit 80. Not a very versatile game =/
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 09 2006 15:17 GMT
#17
68 lol
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 15:18:58
December 09 2006 15:18 GMT
#18
haha 71 again, tried to get that 3rd upg flower tower, don't think it's viable...
Wonder how did game creater got to 90?
:O
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
December 09 2006 15:23 GMT
#19
67
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 16:08:32
December 09 2006 15:24 GMT
#20
Haha, very addactive indeed =D

Edit: 59 first, 72 second.
I love teh shisha.
Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
December 09 2006 15:33 GMT
#21
the game kills my hand on a laptop
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
December 09 2006 15:35 GMT
#22
Wtf I got 9? T_T
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
December 09 2006 15:39 GMT
#23
72 T_T
Hates Fun🤔
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
December 09 2006 15:39 GMT
#24
70 pure ice =D
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 15:53:56
December 09 2006 15:39 GMT
#25
it is in the timing..save for high dmg towers. only get the ice tower to 6k dmg, the 300 range up isn't worth it.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Caution
Profile Joined September 2004
2059 Posts
December 09 2006 15:44 GMT
#26
70 on my first go ):
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
December 09 2006 16:08 GMT
#27
blah 66
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
December 09 2006 16:28 GMT
#28
69.. it depends on how far the target is which also affects how fast your towers shoot...
bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
December 09 2006 16:43 GMT
#29
74
LibertyTerran
Profile Joined July 2004
Vietnam711 Posts
December 09 2006 16:46 GMT
#30
Mine

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T_T
if it aint broke, dont fix it
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
December 09 2006 17:01 GMT
#31
meh.. 71. reaching 90 seems rough
zzzzzz
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
December 09 2006 17:06 GMT
#32
ARGGG i cant get past 71 =(
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 17:19:11
December 09 2006 17:18 GMT
#33
lvl 67 with mainly ice and then at end i was getting desperate and started using random shit

(multitasking while watching proleague FTW)
UMS map pack http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50442
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
December 09 2006 17:20 GMT
#34
74 with pure ice in middle of map using the range advantage of the ice towers~_~

tried nature and got 73, probably just crappy placement tho.

and so far every game i have tried to get the big tower it pretty much sucks. I mean u get the 5 k upgrade and it isnt even that good;(
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10366 Posts
December 09 2006 17:24 GMT
#35
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Not the best placement, but I can't imagine anyone doing more than 80 tops
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 09 2006 17:34 GMT
#36
76
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
December 09 2006 17:46 GMT
#37
72 first and only try, nice game : )
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
December 09 2006 17:47 GMT
#38
wait wait, it said i scored 73, nice
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 09 2006 18:00 GMT
#39
Can anyone varify if fire tower shoots faster that the others? :O
Bit tower sux yeah, don't get it :X
Someone try pure ice but don't upgrade to last level because it costs you 1000 only adds like 100 range. Might not be worth it.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
[cF]TridenT
Profile Joined August 2004
United States665 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 18:30:49
December 09 2006 18:30 GMT
#40
Sooo ya.. I think i coulda gotten to 78 but i built over one of my towers somehow when i was trying 2 click 2 upgrade 2 max level.. was really sweet.. thats why there are lil lvl 1 fire towers scattered around
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3rd try
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
December 09 2006 19:57 GMT
#41
77
Moderator<:3-/-<
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 20:30:28
December 09 2006 20:17 GMT
#42
67. One of my ices disappeared somehow, wtf?? After that I started leaking.

The only problem with this game is that you can't control what your towers attack, as every good TDer knows that selective attacking is very very important.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
December 09 2006 21:16 GMT
#43
Level73 with multiple towers.

And does it seem like the maximum of 1 type of tower you can have is 5? Coz I added another firetower and my first one disappeared. Was pretty daunting

-Mynock
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 09 2006 21:41 GMT
#44
Yah that's pretty fun. 59 first time. I'll try some other time again ;D
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
GoGoGo[cF]
Profile Joined September 2004
China545 Posts
December 09 2006 21:51 GMT
#45
61

Sounds like fun.
aka: sbOy[1FaM] ---Retired Gaming---
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3975 Posts
December 09 2006 21:52 GMT
#46
i was getting ice only, and indeed the last upg seemed worthless, but i was thinking maybe it's not 7k dam but 17k, where the 1 doesn't fit?

A bit silly that everyone is in 69-77 range...
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
December 09 2006 22:18 GMT
#47
i got to 77 using only ice but without last uprgade.

With all fire and all nature i get close but not 77.

I cant save for flower power tower upgrade its 15k and @ 60 i start truggling to survive so i cant really save...
Moderator<:3-/-<
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
December 09 2006 22:46 GMT
#48
I saw this game posted about a week ago on a poker forum and the highest level anyone managed to reach was 81 and they used all leaf towers.
Moderator
Lisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Latvia376 Posts
December 09 2006 22:59 GMT
#49
http://alex.amt-sybex.com/UltimateTower2.jpg
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
December 09 2006 23:08 GMT
#50
83, made final upgraded ice towers in middle, they hit everything ~~
HitEmUp
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 09 2006 23:11 GMT
#51
73 with all ice + one leaf, I tried with those "super" towers once as well, but they really sucked.. slow fire as well as not that much damage compared to cost. weird.
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
December 09 2006 23:19 GMT
#52
is there a pause?
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
pzeta
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Spain106 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-09 23:34:33
December 09 2006 23:34 GMT
#53
89
XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
December 09 2006 23:48 GMT
#54
Leaf towers are weak as shit in the beginning but in the high levels they have the most damage
Use it or lose it
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
December 10 2006 00:09 GMT
#55
what the fuck, i had two towers, leaf and fire, and fire just disappeared. buggy
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
DTDominion
Profile Joined November 2005
United States2148 Posts
December 10 2006 00:14 GMT
#56
76

Mostly leaf towers.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
December 10 2006 00:15 GMT
#57
Got 78 with semi-pure green. At the end I had to switch to ice since I didn't have the time to fully upgrade new buildings. Tried going 1 full green tower, followed by pure ice, but my ice towers started vanishing around level 50. might try again later.
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
December 10 2006 00:54 GMT
#58
[image loading]


If you want to know how I did it, read the text at the top of the game.
What has four wheels and flies? Stephen Hawking on LSD!
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 01:07:30
December 10 2006 01:04 GMT
#59
I made a table showing the stats of the different guns. Two bugs I noticed:
1. The cannon tower requires 3000 to place, but costs only 2000 (actually sdg-sakura noticed this).
2. Until its max level, the upgrade button for the green tower always shows a much higher damage # than the actual damage of the tower at that level.

I haven't actually saved up for a level-2 cannon tower, so I can't confirm that its stats are correct.

The table is sorted by total cumulative cost, so you can see which guns give you the most power for your money.

[image loading]


Got to level 72 so far. Going to try going all lvl-8 greens with 1 lvl-7 blue for as long as I can, then switch to lvl-7 blues when I start dying.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 10 2006 01:10 GMT
#60
Cannons are fucking terrible for their price.

I got too level 73 with mostly ice and leaf.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 01:18:00
December 10 2006 01:14 GMT
#61
Cannon 1 seems to be the best.

I think the best strategy would be maximizing cost/effectiveness on damage only, since on the later levels you (should) have all your towers hitting anyway, so range doesn't matter.

But that table isn't really accurate, since cannons apparently suck and you should be calculating on Damage Per Second not damage.
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 01:27:30
December 10 2006 01:24 GMT
#62
Well, I died on wave 75 BUT my score is 76 because the 76th wave started JUST before I lost!

In retrospect, I probably should have upgraded to lvl-8 blues instead of staying at lvl-7. But that would gain me at most 1 more wave =/.

[image loading]
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 01:30:16
December 10 2006 01:27 GMT
#63
On December 10 2006 10:14 MarcX wrote:
Cannon 1 seems to be the best.

I think the best strategy would be maximizing cost/effectiveness on damage only, since on the later levels you (should) have all your towers hitting anyway, so range doesn't matter.

But that table isn't really accurate, since cannons apparently suck and you should be calculating on Damage Per Second not damage.


Well if you want damage per second then you can go and waste your own time calculating it yourself.

We do know that the green towers fire slower than the rest, since the game mentions this as one of the recent fixes.

I guess cannons are a bad investment because they cost 300 less than lvl-8 green towers but have equal damage, much less range, and apparently fire slowly.
dancefayedance!~
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
396 Posts
December 10 2006 01:47 GMT
#64
On December 10 2006 09:54 exo6yte wrote:
[image loading]


If you want to know how I did it, read the text at the top of the game.


press spacebar??
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
December 10 2006 01:47 GMT
#65
i got to 76 comfortably with 1 ice and rest green

the green suck until the last level, which is probably why i lost
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 01:57:44
December 10 2006 01:51 GMT
#66
I'm sorry if I seemed unappreciative of your work. On the contrary, I'm very glad you posted that, because it allowed me to join in on you guys (can't get the game to work here). However, I'm just saying, for a purely mathematical approach to the game it's just not enough data.
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
December 10 2006 01:54 GMT
#67
On December 10 2006 10:24 Bill307 wrote:
Well, I died on wave 75 BUT my score is 76 because the 76th wave started JUST before I lost!

In retrospect, I probably should have upgraded to lvl-8 blues instead of staying at lvl-7. But that would gain me at most 1 more wave =/.

[image loading]


I got the SAME exact score as you. Died, but made it to level 76. Agreed with the "Nature sucks until last level upgrade". Exobyte or whateves, share your secret!
too easy
MrCanada!
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada124 Posts
December 10 2006 01:56 GMT
#68
am i the only one who can't this game to work, i only see a white screen.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 01:57:57
December 10 2006 01:57 GMT
#69
On December 10 2006 10:54 exalted wrote:
Exobyte or whateves, share your secret!


Photoshop.

Bill, is it just me or does the angle count too? It seems to me that towers fire faster in the upper half (180 degrees) than when they fire downwards...
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 01:58 GMT
#70
Why are you asking bill only? haha

BTW I think I'm going to gather my own data now like Bill suggested, directly from the game file. I'll keep you posted.
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
December 10 2006 02:01 GMT
#71
I didn't mean any offence, it just seems like he spent more time in the game than anyone else around here.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Scorpion
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1974 Posts
December 10 2006 02:11 GMT
#72
Level 75... with 1 ice tower and rest nature...

I wonder if massing fire towers would be good.... or thunder? XD
Mango @ U.S.East!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
December 10 2006 02:12 GMT
#73
press space bar to jump level but dont release it and wave numebr goes up all you want.

Its a bug.
Moderator<:3-/-<
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 02:16 GMT
#74
the flower's third tier is wort it if you can save up 23000 money =/
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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
December 10 2006 02:18 GMT
#75
On December 09 2006 23:02 dronebabo wrote:
68

same
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
December 10 2006 02:24 GMT
#76
heh fun game
Lycaeus
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1420 Posts
December 10 2006 02:24 GMT
#77
i was on wave 104... legit and accidently closed browser during a wave lol : (
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 10 2006 02:28 GMT
#78
On December 10 2006 11:24 Lycaeus wrote:
i was on wave 104... legit and accidently closed browser during a wave lol : (


how the heeeell did you manage that?!
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 02:31 GMT
#79
Im thinkin straight blues... not sure though...
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Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 10 2006 02:33 GMT
#80
pure blues definitely won't get you to 104, highest I got with that was 76, and if you compensate for my suckyness and add another 10 levels, you still aren't there yet:p
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 02:35 GMT
#81
I installed a flash disassembler, but the resulting code is very hard to read. Hold on.
«A fool and his freedom are soon parted» ~ Richard Stallman, Founder FSF
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 02:38:47
December 10 2006 02:38 GMT
#82
The hp is exponential, and for just quantity of hp increase per level, it goes up exponentially as well. The amount of money one gets only goes up linearly. The only way to keep up with the level is to upgrade towers, since upgrading gives serious damage/$ ratio that is larger than 1.25. If you are just massing towers, converting linear income into linear damage, you will lose. Try to get the third up to the 3k tower. Overall a game that can be played on excel. The different tower types are not special at all, sucky.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 10 2006 02:43 GMT
#83
On December 10 2006 10:58 MarcX wrote:
Why are you asking bill only? haha

BTW I think I'm going to gather my own data now like Bill suggested, directly from the game file. I'll keep you posted.


bill307 KNOWS ALL.
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
December 10 2006 02:53 GMT
#84
geez i broke my record and i was at like 70 when one of my supernatural towers dissapeared so it made me lose
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 03:02:56
December 10 2006 02:59 GMT
#85
i'm trying to save up for upgrading the cannontower, but jesus christ how are you supposed to save up 5k without dying?! :D

edit: yay it's possible. haha but next up is 15k gold. what the..
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
December 10 2006 03:10 GMT
#86
cannon tower lvl 1 and 2 are pretty crappy, so I'm assuming you have to have lvl 3 in order to survive.

But 23k gold takes like the first 75 levels cumulative to get, so if you killed everything and spent no money, then you could get it...
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 10 2006 03:18 GMT
#87
64 ;(
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 03:53:55
December 10 2006 03:23 GMT
#88
I think I've figured it out more or less. Fetching some data now.

Gosh I work so slowly
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aaro
Profile Joined December 2006
United States228 Posts
December 10 2006 03:25 GMT
#89
addicting alright. only got to 68
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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
December 10 2006 03:41 GMT
#90
68, but I used this run to test. tried everytower but upgraded 4k ones. Lets see how far 1 fully upgraded fire tower will get me...
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
December 10 2006 03:44 GMT
#91
First I tried all thunder which promptly got me raped.
75 with blue/green.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 03:50:42
December 10 2006 03:47 GMT
#92
basic math and intuition yields this for me:

[image loading]


then upgrade the green to full. This will hit the enemies at almost all points. and 2375 money for 9000 dmg. the blues are only 2/3 that for 115 less gold. I'd keep massing maxed green in the middle, but I keep having them dissapear.

Also, a maxed flower = 90,090 for 23,000
10 maxed green tower = 90,000 for 23,750
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Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 10 2006 03:57 GMT
#93
theres one thing though, a tower positioned so that it will fire in a straight line is much more effective than say a tower placed in the middle of somewhere. maybe an exception would be the blue tower, since it's got such an insanely huge range
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
December 10 2006 03:57 GMT
#94
Hurricane's and IntoTheWow's analysis was really helpful. I used the Excel sheet and added two more columns, one for damage/cost and another for overall efficiency (damage/cost + range, which seemed easiest for simplicity). Doing this yielded Green 8 as the most effective cannon (with level 8 being the highest), with Cannon 1 being the second. Next were Blue 8 and 9, which were almost equally good.

By the way, does anyone have info on the cannons for levels 8, 9, and 10? Damage, total cost, and range please.
There's crashing?
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 04:02 GMT
#95
blue = 73xx dmg, 300 range, and 3360 money
red = useless, the range is WAY too small and the rate of fire is no faster than the others from what I've found.

and also, the flower lvl 1 range is too smal to compare to lvl 8 green.
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Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
December 10 2006 04:08 GMT
#96
On December 10 2006 11:12 IntoTheWow wrote:
press space bar to jump level but dont release it and wave numebr goes up all you want.

Its a bug.


Correct!
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
December 10 2006 04:10 GMT
#97
you can get to lvl ~30 or more with just 1 blue tower upgraded to the max in the middle of the map

from then on saving up for flower tower is easy but you still cant save up 15k, and obviously making more towers of different types wont make that easier i can get to lvl 70 with 1 blue and then flower cannons but they suck, too slow fire rate and low range... blue in the middle is the best but you wont get far with just blue either
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OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
December 10 2006 04:15 GMT
#98
On December 10 2006 13:10 Sabbath wrote:
you can get to lvl ~30 or more with just 1 blue tower upgraded to the max in the middle of the map

from then on saving up for flower tower is easy but you still cant save up 15k, and obviously making more towers of different types wont make that easier i can get to lvl 70 with 1 blue and then flower cannons but they suck, too slow fire rate and low range... blue in the middle is the best but you wont get far with just blue either


hmm i used blue at first but i just tried mass green in mid and got to 78. Green just has so much more dmg output and when put in the middle they can still attack almost all of the screen.
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SIUnit
Profile Joined December 2006
China288 Posts
December 10 2006 04:19 GMT
#99
71 pure water tower
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 04:19 GMT
#100
[image loading]


I can get higher. Hold on.
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cravy
Profile Joined October 2006
United States525 Posts
December 10 2006 04:19 GMT
#101
85....
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stickman
Profile Joined September 2006
136 Posts
December 10 2006 04:20 GMT
#102
Are you guys taking into account that the faster you kill them, the more money you get? The farther along the path the things die, the less money they give you.
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 04:26:53
December 10 2006 04:24 GMT
#103
On December 10 2006 13:20 stickman wrote:
Are you guys taking into account that the faster you kill them, the more money you get? The farther along the path the things die, the less money they give you.

Wow that's a pretty important detail. Thanks.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 04:35 GMT
#104
has anyone confirmed that? It doesn't seem like thats the case, but it would be interesting if it is.
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Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 10 2006 04:46 GMT
#105
can't really say that's true, I tried two times with towers at opposite ends of the map, and by turn 5 I had the exact same amount of money..
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 10 2006 04:47 GMT
#106
oh ok it's based off of element td haha i had good times wiht that game back in the day.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 04:48 GMT
#107
82 is my highest.

one more shot and I'm done.
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stickman
Profile Joined September 2006
136 Posts
December 10 2006 04:52 GMT
#108
I read it on another forum and tested it twice and it was true for me twice. I don't know if it's 100%
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 05:15:20
December 10 2006 05:13 GMT
#109
******
I think I noticed that the firing rate is not like... you fire once per some time.

You do NOT fire like this...
Tower sees enemy
Tower fires once/time at a constant rate
Tower's projectile hits

You fire like this...
Tower sees enemy
Tower fires
Tower's projectile travels to enemy
Tower's projectile hits enemy
Tower resets and fire agian

It's like a reaver, imagine a reaver fires and a vulture runs away from the scarab. Rvr won't fire again untill the scarab explodes.

So a tower has different firing rate at different distances, if a tower is closer to the enemy its firing rate is ALOT faster than it is further away. I noticed because I put one nature in the middle of everything and it hits everything ever so slowly.
I'll try put all stuff on the edge to maximize the firing rate. I'll c how it goes.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 05:19 GMT
#110
That's how I've been looking at it. The only problem is that the thunder one (which blows anyway) and the flower don't fire in a straight line when it isn't directly infront/behind the enemy, which screws with the timing.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 06:10:15
December 10 2006 05:23 GMT
#111
Okay I spent the last few hours copying over Bill's Data. Not because I don't trust him, but because I wanted to contribute T_T

I got this directly from the file, which lists "Upgrade cost" instead of the total price, which makes me appreciate Bill's work even more. I don't know how much the initial ones cost (it's in a seperate place in the 3500 line file, I didn't feel like looking for it) so I was unable to copy that.

Click for stats of all towers
[image loading]


If you edit the XLS file please repost it here ^^; (can you open it??)
http://www.file-upload.net/download_10.12.06_q6c7e9.xls.html

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pansy
Profile Joined November 2005
United States309 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 05:41:19
December 10 2006 05:39 GMT
#112
On December 10 2006 13:20 stickman wrote:
Are you guys taking into account that the faster you kill them, the more money you get? The farther along the path the things die, the less money they give you.


I'm pretty sure it's dependent on the level
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 05:46 GMT
#113
has anyone found a way to get the third lvl of the flower tower?
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 05:56:38
December 10 2006 05:50 GMT
#114
hehe 909090 damage ; )
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 05:51 GMT
#115
you got it?
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 05:54 GMT
#116
Okay I tried to maximize the firing rate by putting all my natures on the corners, where enemy will stay closest to the toewr for the longest amount of time.
Apparently it didn't work too well
[image loading]
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 06:02:35
December 10 2006 05:55 GMT
#117
On December 10 2006 14:51 PTC-Hurricane wrote:
you got it?

Um.. No, I can't even play the game. Look up a few posts... -_-;

Ok, all towers deal 70% damage always and add 30% to that randomized.
To get far you have to get lucky as well I suppose.

The amount of money you get depends only on wave, you start with 1, then it's calculated as follows (every wave):

New income = Old income * 0.02 + Wave * 1.1
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 06:07 GMT
#118
my bad marc. Thanks for the info.

evan, so far it seems as putting the towers on the end works extremely well:
[image loading]


I've found those positions to be very effective.
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x_woof_x
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States659 Posts
December 10 2006 06:13 GMT
#119
76
STOP...... Manner time. 윤상현
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 06:14 GMT
#120
If you have any specific questions that can't easily be tested go ahead and post, maybe I could find them in the code.

I'm giving up for now.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 06:14 GMT
#121
I reworked bill's data to included dmg/cost
here's how it goes:
[image loading]
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 06:17:27
December 10 2006 06:15 GMT
#122
Awesome. Can you rework my data too? There's a download link for the xls file.

</lazy>
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 06:16 GMT
#123
On December 10 2006 15:07 PTC-Hurricane wrote:
my bad marc. Thanks for the info.

evan, so far it seems as putting the towers on the end works extremely well:
[image loading]


I've found those positions to be very effective.

Yeah I thought about that, maybe they just hit straight and hit faster and faster
Hang on i gotta try that.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 06:18 GMT
#124
whats the max dmg and range on the 3rd lvl flower tower. I don't trust the little Upgrade Icon thing.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 06:21:39
December 10 2006 06:19 GMT
#125
On December 10 2006 15:18 PTC-Hurricane wrote:
whats the max dmg and range on the 3rd lvl flower tower. I don't trust the little Upgrade Icon thing.

... ?? -_-; Damage is 909090 and range is 90 Honestly.. This is the data the game works with, regardless of what it prints on screen. How dare you even ask this question after finding my post there.
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 06:42:30
December 10 2006 06:25 GMT
#126
On December 10 2006 14:23 MarcX wrote:
Okay I spent the last few hours copying over Bill's Data. Not because I don't trust him, but because I wanted to contribute T_T

I got this directly from the file, which lists "Upgrade cost" instead of the total price, which makes me appreciate Bill's work even more. I don't know how much the initial ones cost (it's in a seperate place in the 3500 line file, I didn't feel like looking for it) so I was unable to copy that.

Click for stats of all towers
[image loading]


If you edit the XLS file please repost it here ^^; (can you open it??)
http://www.file-upload.net/download_10.12.06_q6c7e9.xls.html

I'll spend the next few hours trying to find something USEFUL


Thanks for uncovering that . Hmm... I think the unknown negative numbers affect rate of fire. For example, the infamous flower cannon towers have only -7 which agrees with their slower rate of fire.

This would imply that the last upgrade for the blue tower might be worth it, since it will probably fire faster.

Edit: Actually, the max level blue tower doesn't seem to fire any faster than the one before it =P. (by my impression, at least)
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 06:32 GMT
#127
[image loading]

[image loading]


thats what I meant.... I've been having troubles opening files recently, so I was seeing if the info was right... it is rarely shown correctly in the first part.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 06:38:06
December 10 2006 06:37 GMT
#128
Bill already mentioned that. I found it too (a difference between an upgrade value and the actual value of the next thing) but I didn't bother explicitly saying it again.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 06:43 GMT
#129
I'm determined to get that last tower...

GAH.
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SteelString
Profile Joined July 2006
446 Posts
December 10 2006 06:48 GMT
#130
61
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 06:50 GMT
#131
O one more thing, put quality on LOW will help I think, because when graphic is too intense game might bugg out.
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
December 10 2006 06:52 GMT
#132
by placing my towers better i managed to get 3 levels further but as i suspected it doesnt help that much, you still need to figure out a better strategy

maybe finding a way to correctly place the flower towers will help more
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 07:10:01
December 10 2006 06:54 GMT
#133
I think I might have something.... not sure yet though.

EDIT: not working.....
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3975 Posts
December 10 2006 07:10 GMT
#134
75, all leaf. the chart showed these to be most effective, so i used them only. I put 2 fully upg leaves at the end of each straight, the faster firing rate at close range is important indeed. I upgraded 2 towers to max first, then 1 at a time.

The game is not REALLY addictive, i've played it twice now and i'm sure i won't make the 5. But finding out what is the best approach is is kinda fun.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 07:11:41
December 10 2006 07:11 GMT
#135
On December 10 2006 15:52 Sabbath wrote:
by placing my towers better i managed to get 3 levels further but as i suspected it doesnt help that much, you still need to figure out a better strategy

maybe finding a way to correctly place the flower towers will help more

So far it's tested that the Ice tower is best placed in the middle to maximize the range benefit.
Nature should be placed as Hurrican suggested, on the end of a road firing straight at comming objects.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 07:12:31
December 10 2006 07:11 GMT
#136
_y probably refers to position, and is in no way relevant to tower stats.

Are the towers with large Y values any larger than the other ones? That would confirm my theory.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 07:14:54
December 10 2006 07:13 GMT
#137
Highest I've hit is 82 with natures.... the key is finding out how to get that last flower tower... and I have no idea...

Yes, the higher Y value is a higher tower.
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ToT)BrAiN(
Profile Joined March 2003
Austria899 Posts
December 10 2006 07:15 GMT
#138
73 on my 2nd try
90 is alot =)
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 07:17 GMT
#139
On December 10 2006 16:13 PTC-Hurricane wrote:
Highest I've hit is 82 with natures.... the key is finding out how to get that last flower tower... and I have no idea...

Yes, the higher Y value is a higher tower.


I think someone mentioned u can get lvl 30 w/ 1 ice in the center maybe try that and put a flower where ur nature would've been.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
December 10 2006 07:17 GMT
#140
max i got so far was 76 with all leafs placed at the corner near the castle, inside the C formed by the tracks, but like i said it doesnt make all that much of a difference

can you guys cracking the .fla check on whats the advantage of upgrading 2nd level flower... since it has lower range and its probably better to just get another flower than to upgrade one (but they still suck ass, its much better to just use leaf)

anyone who got past lvl 80 care to share your strategy?
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 07:17 GMT
#141
I'm currently investigating fire rates. I'm looking for two things: Cooldown and bullet speed.

Does cooldown change between towers or bullet speed or both?
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
December 10 2006 07:19 GMT
#142
On December 10 2006 16:17 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2006 16:13 PTC-Hurricane wrote:
Highest I've hit is 82 with natures.... the key is finding out how to get that last flower tower... and I have no idea...

Yes, the higher Y value is a higher tower.


I think someone mentioned u can get lvl 30 w/ 1 ice in the center maybe try that and put a flower where ur nature would've been.

yeah i did, and it doesnt work, flower fire rate is too low, you end up losing whether you buy nonstop flowers from them on or upgrade one i think (not sure, played this too many times now )
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 10 2006 07:20 GMT
#143
I want my metal towerssss (reference to element TD)
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 07:22 GMT
#144
On December 10 2006 16:17 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2006 16:13 PTC-Hurricane wrote:
Highest I've hit is 82 with natures.... the key is finding out how to get that last flower tower... and I have no idea...

Yes, the higher Y value is a higher tower.


I think someone mentioned u can get lvl 30 w/ 1 ice in the center maybe try that and put a flower where ur nature would've been.


I've reached 40+ with one tower I believe... put a maxed nature at the bottom of the first straight.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 07:29:11
December 10 2006 07:25 GMT
#145
On December 10 2006 16:17 Sabbath wrote:
max i got so far was 76 with all leafs placed at the corner near the castle, inside the C formed by the tracks, but like i said it doesnt make all that much of a difference

can you guys cracking the .fla check on whats the advantage of upgrading 2nd level flower... since it has lower range and its probably better to just get another flower than to upgrade one (but they still suck ass, its much better to just use leaf)

anyone who got past lvl 80 care to share your strategy?


put max natures

[image loading]


a lot like that but with natures and more towers. basically fill in the middle with four more and then add at the end of left over straights.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 07:27:04
December 10 2006 07:25 GMT
#146
Also note that range is a square, not the circle you might expect. Bullet distance seems not to matter. I don't see any cooldown either. Maybe it's the rotation speed? What is causing the delay?
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 07:28 GMT
#147
On December 10 2006 16:17 MarcX wrote:
I'm currently investigating fire rates. I'm looking for two things: Cooldown and bullet speed.

Does cooldown change between towers or bullet speed or both?


Just from observation, the cooldown is the same of all of the towers. The only difference in firing rates is the bullet speed. The red/green/blue towers bullets have insane accelerations, both positively and negatively. The thunder and flower however, take a lot more time to accelerate and stop and hit the target, thus a longer time for one projectile to be active and thus less attacks per second.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 07:36:36
December 10 2006 07:32 GMT
#148
Hmmm, the speed they move at is slower or the animation is longer? I can't see animations and speed seems to be the same: they travel half the distance every frame.

Edit: Actually some types travel 1/4 the distance every frame. Ok, let me see which towers do that.

Storm Tower
Ultimate Armed Tower
Flower Power Tower
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Vegetto991
Profile Joined December 2006
United States13 Posts
December 10 2006 07:34 GMT
#149
I am on 15 with one tower
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 07:35 GMT
#150
use the space bar vegetto, it'll make it a lot faster ^^
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 07:38 GMT
#151
Ah, and the ultimate tower travels 1/5th the distance every frame.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 07:40 GMT
#152
Oh shit.

Now to find a way to GET THAT DAMN TOWER....

anything else in that code that you can think of that will help?
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 07:42 GMT
#153
Yeah it makes more sense the more I look at it, but really it's a 3500 line file and I can't really discover anything without knowing what to look for. I think I understand it more or less completely now, is there anything else to the game that could be investigated?
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 07:45 GMT
#154
the only thing I can think of is that there seems to be a way to stack the towers but sometimes it will delete others and sometimes not.

See if there is anything about the placing of them, and anyway to avoid the deletion part.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 08:11:09
December 10 2006 07:56 GMT
#155
Right, the deletion. I searched for it, but I couldn't find any deletions anywhere. I'll try again. Of course, I probably overlooked something. Anyway, I updated my Tower stats to show speed:

http://www.file-upload.net/download_11.12.06_j7s55n.xls.html

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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 07:58 GMT
#156
I doubt its called deletion, there just might be an anomaly where one of the towers that was placed is factored out when a new one is placed too close or something.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 08:01 GMT
#157
I think the placement is the key now. You need to maximize the shots each tower can get in each round, because even though 900k is A LOT of dmg, it will hit twice for every 10 the green would hit...
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 08:11 GMT
#158
I figured the place in the very middle, on the end... iono I'll screenshot it...
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 08:14 GMT
#159
I concluded these following elements to be the most important aspect of this game...

1. Maximize total number of round fired
2. Maximize the exploit of firing rate
3. Maximize the focus fire
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 08:17 GMT
#160
yeah but the green doesn't hit 90k / shot. Also: green ones multiply the distance by 0.5, the ultimate one multiplies it by 0.8. The ratio is only 0.5/0.8.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 08:17 GMT
#161
I can't save the money.... I have to keep investing in natures to stay alive... most I can save at one time is like 7k and that's without upgrading the flower tower to lvl 2
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 08:23 GMT
#162
Hmmmmm I can't help you with that
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
December 10 2006 08:23 GMT
#163
FCUK I CLICKED ON THE AD and lost my game .

Anyway, I was on wave 45 and needed 1 more kill to upgrade my flower tower to level 2. Basically I put a water tower in the 1st U and upped it to level 3, then upped a leaf tower to max level, then added a flower tower (all in the 1st U).

I highly doubt I would be able to survive long enough to get a level 3 flower tower, though =/. But I think if we can get one with just 1 civilian left, it will be worth it .
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 08:24 GMT
#164
I know that tower is the key, but this is about all I can do right now:

[image loading]
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 08:26 GMT
#165
I really can't find any deletions for towers anywhere. I probably don't understand the code well enough.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 08:26 GMT
#166
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 08:32:31
December 10 2006 08:26 GMT
#167
This is actually pretty boring btw =P. If this next shot of mine doesn't work (i.e. trying to get the level 3 flower tower with just 1 max leaf tower) then I give up =P.

Edit: OK that definitely doesn't work =P.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 08:28 GMT
#168
Lol just realized Hurrican and I used the same set up :p
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 08:29 GMT
#169
Me thinks i'm done w/ this game. I'll leave it now to u lot :D
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 08:33 GMT
#170
On December 10 2006 17:28 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
Lol just realized Hurrican and I used the same set up :p


haha, . I think if we could find out how many levels it would take to save up 25375 then we could see if it is even possible...

3000 lvl 1 flower
-1000 (flower only costs 2k rofl)
5000 lvl 2 flower
15000 lvl 3 flower
2375 max nature.
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Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
December 10 2006 08:35 GMT
#171
just tried again and lvl 80 with pure natures... just had maxed ones on every straightaway

how do you get to 90 O_O
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 08:37 GMT
#172
you need the lvl 3 flower... I've hit 82 with natures... but stilll.... I might be done unless Marc find something usefull, but I doubt it...
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 08:54:22
December 10 2006 08:39 GMT
#173
I need someone to test the average number of hits you get with optimal placement for max leaf and the last three ice.

Nah I've pretty much found everything useful already.

- Range is square not circular
- 70% always 30% random
- Income = Old income * 0.2 + Wavenumber * 1.1
- HP = Old HP * 1.1 + _root.wave * 8.6;

Stats:

http://www.file-upload.net/download_11.12.06_j7s55n.xls.html

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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 08:44:22
December 10 2006 08:43 GMT
#174
meh, idk how helpful that would be. And it is impossible to test hits. They are both very fast, and when it is optimal there is no graphic for the attack and the attacks are EXTREMELY fast when enemie is very close.

I'm done for the night anyway, maybe some other time.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 08:54:42
December 10 2006 08:45 GMT
#175
Hey are you using spacebar to skip the earlier levels? Don't you get less cash that way? Yeah I'm about to sign off too. I was just wondering how many extra hits you get if you have more range.. ie how important is range. Maybe ice is better than leaf I dunno.

[Edit]Ah, space skipping only works if there's no creatures.
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
December 10 2006 08:54 GMT
#176
ok this game is lame and i wont play it anymore

reason: i found a hacked version, you start with mass cash, so i got the 900k flower tower and skipped to level 150 using the bug. Didnt kill a single ball. Wtf is that?

hacked version (mass cash, ice and leaf do massive damage):
http://data.lepouya.com/data/src/Tower_Defence_Hacked_2.swf
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 08:58:20
December 10 2006 08:56 GMT
#177
Dude GTFO.. why play it at all if you're going to play it like that -_-; Total waste of your time.

I think the optimal placing would be really close to the path instead of some nice and central location. Like every corner, where you're directly next to the path on 2 sides.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 09:00 GMT
#178
On December 10 2006 17:56 MarcX wrote:
Dude GTFO.. why play it at all if you're going to play it like that -_-; Total waste of your time.

I think the optimal placing would be really close to the path instead of some nice and central location. Like every corner, where you're directly next to the path on 2 sides.

Yeah hurrican and I tried that already
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 09:02:40
December 10 2006 09:02 GMT
#179
Don't work or already doing it? You've posted your setups and it was very different.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 09:03 GMT
#180
The optimal placing is at the end of a long streak and somewhat central, so it gets hits in while the enemies are traveling to "its section" where it becomes the most useful. There are three spots for this that can stack a total of 10 greens.

thats about it.

I'm out now, so goodnight. Maybe some other time.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 09:04 GMT
#181
On December 10 2006 18:02 MarcX wrote:
Don't work or already doing it? You've posted your setups and it was very different.

The essence is the same.
We both would've stacked those towers at the very middle if possible....
We figured that when the monster is comming straight at you from a path the tower can deal the most dmg, and the place in the center can do this sort of rapid firing at the path nxt to it and can reach alot of oher acreas as well.
So it's optimum thata way.
The other towers are not in the optimum location but since there's no more place in the middle, we had to put them in the second-best place, and that's highly arbitrary.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10366 Posts
December 10 2006 09:06 GMT
#182
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 09:07 GMT
#183
What happens if you put them on the black dots?

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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10366 Posts
December 10 2006 09:11 GMT
#184
Putting them on the corners won't do anything good. You'll probably get around 72~
patrick321
Profile Joined August 2004
United States185 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 09:15:16
December 10 2006 09:13 GMT
#185
I just used the income formula to calculate some total revenue by certain waves. This is all assuming no rounding is occuring, which may not be the case.

...
.........income...........8...........total
wave....per kill........kills........income
64......87.65625........701.25......22704.6875
65......89.03125........712.25......23416.9375
66......90.40625........723.25......24140.1875
67......91.78125........734.25......24874.4375
68......93.15625........745.25......25619.6875
69......94.53125........756.25......26375.9375
70......95.90625........767.25......27143.1875
...

According to this, you would have to play the first ~66 levels with only one tower to afford the biggest tower. Also, for every max tower you add you would need to survive for another ~3 waves. This doesn't seem particularly possible.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 09:18 GMT
#186
On December 10 2006 18:13 patrick321 wrote:
I just used the income formula to calculate some total revenue by certain waves. This is all assuming no rounding is occuring, which may not be the case.

...
.........income...........8...........total
wave....per kill........kills........income
64......87.65625........701.25......22704.6875
65......89.03125........712.25......23416.9375
66......90.40625........723.25......24140.1875
67......91.78125........734.25......24874.4375
68......93.15625........745.25......25619.6875
69......94.53125........756.25......26375.9375
70......95.90625........767.25......27143.1875
...

According to this, you would have to play the first ~66 levels with only one tower to afford the biggest tower. Also, for every max tower you add you would need to survive for another ~3 waves. This doesn't seem particularly possible.


can you continue the calculation to lvl 80? because that seems to be a treashhold.
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 10 2006 09:18 GMT
#187
Hahaha

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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 09:21 GMT
#188
The problem with that is that I have reached wave 70 with 3-5 towers (I can't remember) and had no where near even 10k to spare... idk if I screwed up somehow, but my inclination is that the income per kill is wrong, but I'm not sure.
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 10 2006 09:23 GMT
#189
Anyone bothered to write a build order? :p
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 09:34 GMT
#190
On December 10 2006 18:23 KizZBG wrote:
Anyone bothered to write a build order? :p

It's not that hard lol...
here's my go:
1. Put 1 nature tower at center location next to the first right moving path's end.
2. Keep upgradeing the nature tower
3. When maxed, put other nature on the left of that one
4. Then it's up to you to decide the optimum placing.
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bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
December 10 2006 09:35 GMT
#191
On December 10 2006 18:13 patrick321 wrote:
I just used the income formula to calculate some total revenue by certain waves. This is all assuming no rounding is occuring, which may not be the case.

...
.........income...........8...........total
wave....per kill........kills........income
64......87.65625........701.25......22704.6875
65......89.03125........712.25......23416.9375
66......90.40625........723.25......24140.1875
67......91.78125........734.25......24874.4375
68......93.15625........745.25......25619.6875
69......94.53125........756.25......26375.9375
70......95.90625........767.25......27143.1875
...

According to this, you would have to play the first ~66 levels with only one tower to afford the biggest tower. Also, for every max tower you add you would need to survive for another ~3 waves. This doesn't seem particularly possible.


But can't you have the lower levels of the flower tower as well?
bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
December 10 2006 09:36 GMT
#192
Where's the optimal placing for the flower towers? I can get to almost 50 with 1 tower, so I think I might be able to get to 66 with tower + flowers....
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 10 2006 09:39 GMT
#193
its nearly impossible...

[image loading]


thats WITH stacking 3 max natures...

so with the previous table we have, 66 lvls, +12 for 3 towers = lvl 78..... not going to happen... and those towers were mandatory... this game is not possible to get the last tower..
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OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
December 10 2006 09:40 GMT
#194
On December 10 2006 18:36 bine wrote:
Where's the optimal placing for the flower towers? I can get to almost 50 with 1 tower, so I think I might be able to get to 66 with tower + flowers....


i tired with 1 flower tower in the middle ( also spent 20 on storm to start) and went straight for the cannon. I got the 5k upgrade no problem, but it doesnt help much at all;/ Got to lvl 61.
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NoNameLoser
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1508 Posts
December 10 2006 09:42 GMT
#195
The real question is where do you place the flower tower for best results. it has stupid particle path that slows down and follows the target; with every upgrade its range decreases by 10. and it damn expensive too.

So far the optimal build ive gotten was placing lone ice by bottom passage and upping it till 80, then green in the middle and just upgrade.
bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
December 10 2006 09:45 GMT
#196
yes, exactly. where can we put the flower tower to make it less sucky?
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 09:51:05
December 10 2006 09:50 GMT
#197
I feel this is the most effective. I erased the later towers out of my original pick. This setup can get into the 50's.

[image loading]


the top green can hit the left row for quite a ways, and gets hits on the right a bit as well. the second stretch it rapes and can easily do 30+ lvls itself.

The flower I feel is optimal because it's range is so small it won't help to try and make it reach more than one straight stretch. This just speeds up the killing process by putting it in the equation earlier. And the weakened enemies from the nature hitting it earlier should die pretty quick to the 15k dmg from the flower.

EDIT: This is just a photoshop'd version of my earlier pic, but this is my setup. I add the middle towers as needed.
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
December 10 2006 10:02 GMT
#198
some guy on digg managed lvl 97 by placing nature above the spawn, getting lucky with the dmg % and then getting the 900k flower tower:

[image loading]


some other guy used the hacked version and filled the whole screen with 900k towers, heres where he got to:
[image loading]
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 10:07:14
December 10 2006 10:05 GMT
#199
God damnit. Now I have to try that...

EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHA, creator is an ass. He made the path extend to the top so people can't beat his score. haha.
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bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
December 10 2006 10:13 GMT
#200
How do you know it's the creator? Maybe this guy just edited the file.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 10:15 GMT
#201
On December 10 2006 19:05 PTC-Hurricane wrote:
God damnit. Now I have to try that...

EDIT: AHAHAHAHAHAHA, creator is an ass. He made the path extend to the top so people can't beat his score. haha.

I think our case is closed!
WOOHOO!
Now we need another game to work on...
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bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
December 10 2006 10:20 GMT
#202
But how do we know it's the creator?
Sir.Kimmel
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States785 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 10:23:20
December 10 2006 10:22 GMT
#203
wrong thread
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 10:25:08
December 10 2006 10:24 GMT
#204
On December 10 2006 19:22 Sir.Kimmel wrote:
wrong thread

rofl wrong thread! :p
dmmit I idn't get to quote u on time!!
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NoNameLoser
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1508 Posts
December 10 2006 10:34 GMT
#205
heres a nice trick, both the cloud and flower towers, if placed directly by the path, skip shooting animation and have crazy firerate. i can do to lvl 8 with 1 cloud alone, but its tricky to place it just perfectly in facing the pass.
bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
December 10 2006 10:57 GMT
#206
What do you mean? I don't get where you're talking about with the placement of the flower.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
December 10 2006 10:59 GMT
#207
Meh... I can't get better than 76.
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artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
December 10 2006 11:04 GMT
#208
On December 10 2006 19:57 bine wrote:
What do you mean? I don't get where you're talking about with the placement of the flower.

i think he means stacking the tower: cloud and flower. You can actually stack towers over cloud... however i see no difference on the rate of fire.. and sometimes if u stack.. u kill the previous tower :<
evolve or die
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 11:24:39
December 10 2006 11:05 GMT
#209
got 8
after another try : 64 D:
artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
December 10 2006 11:10 GMT
#210
i got the black tower around lvl 30... there is event of weak waves that can build up ur bankroll .. 20-30
evolve or die
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 10 2006 11:12 GMT
#211
On December 10 2006 20:10 artofmagic wrote:
i got the black tower around lvl 30... there is event of weak waves that can build up ur bankroll .. 20-30

haha I bulid up mine bank roll from 15-50, actually, but even then not enough for 3rd upg for black tower.
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Smurg
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3818 Posts
December 10 2006 11:18 GMT
#212
67 first go.

artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
December 10 2006 11:19 GMT
#213
On December 10 2006 20:12 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2006 20:10 artofmagic wrote:
i got the black tower around lvl 30... there is event of weak waves that can build up ur bankroll .. 20-30

haha I bulid up mine bank roll from 15-50, actually, but even then not enough for 3rd upg for black tower.

yea .. the black one seem to lose its range while its attack increases... so the bestw place to put a black tower is at the corner.
evolve or die
Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 11:46:05
December 10 2006 11:26 GMT
#214
77, nice game.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
December 10 2006 11:48 GMT
#215
On December 10 2006 18:07 MarcX wrote:
What happens if you put them on the black dots?


Like this?
[image loading]
NoNameLoser
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1508 Posts
December 10 2006 13:13 GMT
#216
22000 = 8*(x*(x+1)/2);
x= 73.66

you need to get half way past 73 lvl to get 22000 saved up.
you start off 60 minerals. and past 62 you will need additional towers... not possible.
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
December 10 2006 14:48 GMT
#217
78.. i give up.. lv 90 seems impossible
zzzzzz
Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
December 10 2006 19:49 GMT
#218
it took some of you guys a good portion of the day and a page of calculations to figure out this is impossible. i dont know why i found that hilarious
Legalize drugs and murder.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10535 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-10 20:19:29
December 10 2006 19:51 GMT
#219
i can do 90, im sure, my last attemp was 82..

ill post pic when i reach 90


stupid missclick about the firetower costed me a fucking lot
Im back, in pog form!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
December 10 2006 20:39 GMT
#220
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to miss the mark
Profile Joined November 2005
Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
December 10 2006 20:55 GMT
#221
Ahhhh, just got 75 1st try

going again!
Act happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love, and do what you will.
MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
December 10 2006 22:24 GMT
#222
We didn't take so long figuring out it was probably impossible, we took so long to make sure it was impossible.
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LibertyTerran
Profile Joined July 2004
Vietnam711 Posts
December 10 2006 22:31 GMT
#223
On December 11 2006 05:39 Hot_Bid wrote:
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lolz, cheers
if it aint broke, dont fix it
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
December 11 2006 00:15 GMT
#224
When you build your 9th, 18th, 27th, e.t.c. tower one tower disappears. Wtf is up with this and isn't it fairly easy to find and fix, when it's obviously on every 9th tower... this is quite a clue.
I'll call Nada.
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 11 2006 00:25 GMT
#225
On December 11 2006 09:15 lololol wrote:
When you build your 9th, 18th, 27th, e.t.c. tower one tower disappears. Wtf is up with this and isn't it fairly easy to find and fix, when it's obviously on every 9th tower... this is quite a clue.


it's impossible, so whether your towers disappear or not doesn't really matter in the long run
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
December 11 2006 01:16 GMT
#226
On December 11 2006 09:25 Ethenielle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2006 09:15 lololol wrote:
When you build your 9th, 18th, 27th, e.t.c. tower one tower disappears. Wtf is up with this and isn't it fairly easy to find and fix, when it's obviously on every 9th tower... this is quite a clue.


it's impossible, so whether your towers disappear or not doesn't really matter in the long run


What's impossible?!?
I'll call Nada.
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 11 2006 01:23 GMT
#227
just read the thread, thanks!:p
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
December 11 2006 01:59 GMT
#228
It affects how far you can go, and it seems to be a pretty obvious fix, so even if the game is impossible, it's still relevant
Trucy Wright is hot
ZorAptoR
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Switzerland926 Posts
December 11 2006 02:01 GMT
#229
65...
in SOMA we TRUST
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
December 11 2006 02:02 GMT
#230
haven't had it happen to me though, excepting the times I stacked my towers. so I guess.. if stacking is intended it should be fixed, if not, then no?
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
HungerForMore
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan420 Posts
December 11 2006 06:09 GMT
#231
kinda funny, but I'd rather play the bw Tower defense ums', but it's still fun.
Savior 4 Life
DarkYoDA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States1347 Posts
December 11 2006 06:14 GMT
#232
LOL I think the site is suspended... ?? We played too much?
It's a comedy to claim thy superiority when it's anothers' inferiority which elevated thy mediocrity
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 11 2006 06:15 GMT
#233
Lawl it looks like it t.t
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
December 11 2006 06:22 GMT
#234
TL.net, Wrecking Polls and Gaming Sites everywhere~
HitEmUp
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3975 Posts
December 11 2006 07:52 GMT
#235
I just tried to get far using the hacked version, using max flowers i can get further than 135.
Im at 137 now and they don't even get past the first vertical lane. Key to this (compared to the other guy who posted the pic) is that my computer is very slow, and with 100+ towers moving/shooting it slows down to a snail's pace. So maybe running it with some other process eating your cpu will allow you to get really far.

I'm tired of it now, 1 second takes about 15 seconds now when the balls are in the screen. (quit at 142).
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-11 08:27:01
December 11 2006 08:21 GMT
#236
On December 11 2006 15:22 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
TL.net, Wrecking Polls and Gaming Sites everywhere~


Actually, I think the blame for this belongs to 4chan



NEW LINK: http://en.t45ol.com/play/2541/tower-defence.html
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Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
December 11 2006 08:37 GMT
#237
TL.net - 1
Tower Defence - 0
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10535 Posts
December 12 2006 07:40 GMT
#238
On December 11 2006 05:39 Hot_Bid wrote:
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lol what in the fuck
Im back, in pog form!
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
December 12 2006 08:41 GMT
#239
i got 76 ;/
SixSongs
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Poland1455 Posts
December 12 2006 08:48 GMT
#240
I scored 5, and got bored.
The Prince of DroneS
collegeBored
Profile Joined November 2002
United States1524 Posts
December 12 2006 09:23 GMT
#241
buggy piece of shit. i was on 60+ with 2 fully upgraded nature and 1 rank2 flower, with 6K saved up. placed another nature and one fully upgraded one disappeared. fucking gay.
The stupid neither forgive nor forget, the naive forgive and forget, the wise forgive but never forget.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
December 12 2006 09:49 GMT
#242
We have spent 10+ pages deciding that this game is not worth your time and effort.

Please stop posting complaints and otherwise useless posts that we have already covered thouroughly. Thanks.
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 12 2006 10:00 GMT
#243
I think i figured it out: :p

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Way
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada565 Posts
December 12 2006 10:00 GMT
#244
damn 76... i tried ;\
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
December 12 2006 10:21 GMT
#245
On December:00 KizZBG wrote:
I think i figured it out: :p

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ROFL
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
December 12 2006 10:45 GMT
#246
LOL KizZBG
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-12 10:51:51
December 12 2006 10:51 GMT
#247
its all about the Hacked version lol ^-^
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 12 2006 11:16 GMT
#248
wTF 54

lol

wc3 td is the best part about wc3 lol
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
December 12 2006 13:17 GMT
#249
I got 77! I don't see how you can ever do better than that.
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 12 2006 13:27 GMT
#250
It is possible to hit 82:

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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
December 12 2006 14:22 GMT
#251
OMG This is so bad. I'm addicted to this stupidly fun flash game when I have finals. GAHHHHH
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
December 12 2006 15:13 GMT
#252
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do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
DarkYoDA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States1347 Posts
December 12 2006 16:29 GMT
#253
On December 12 2006 19:51 Kennigit wrote:
its all about the Hacked version lol ^-^


LOL This version is stupid, but... I'm more addicted to this version than the original one!!
It's a comedy to claim thy superiority when it's anothers' inferiority which elevated thy mediocrity
Gonozal
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany320 Posts
December 12 2006 18:59 GMT
#254
68 :-/
aka NacktNasenWombi
Gonozal
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany320 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-12 19:59:28
December 12 2006 19:36 GMT
#255
fuck i'm addicted.. does anybody know a Multplayer version of that game? :D
edit: 76 ^^
aka NacktNasenWombi
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
December 13 2006 05:50 GMT
#256
Got to 77. I didn't upgrade the flower tower

First upgrade for flower costs 5000 but you only get +6000 attack
If you spend 3000 you get a 9000 tower.

I don't know about upgrades after the first one though I didn't dare to try.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
December 13 2006 06:45 GMT
#257
On December 13 2006 14:50 jkillashark wrote:
Got to 77. I didn't upgrade the flower tower

First upgrade for flower costs 5000 but you only get +6000 attack
If you spend 3000 you get a 9000 tower.

I don't know about upgrades after the first one though I didn't dare to try.


dont get flower, mass nature is the best;/
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
December 14 2006 11:52 GMT
#258
multiplayer version
how the hell would that work
would be cool though
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
December 14 2006 13:24 GMT
#259
On December 14 2006 20:52 Pressure wrote:
multiplayer version
how the hell would that work
would be cool though

It would be like those 8-way defense maps that they do in starcraft ums.
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.
Skin_heaD
Profile Joined December 2006
Malaysia38 Posts
December 14 2006 23:42 GMT
#260
Hey ppl! Ive found a way to play this offline. Download this program and install it. http://www.justdosoft.com/flashCatcher/Download/FlashCatcher.exe

Now open the web page http://www.jeannettevejarano.com/games/tower-defence.html and move the mouse pointer to the flash animation. You will see a disket icon on the top left. Click on it and u will see the list of flash that is running on the web page. Save the game animation to ur desired folder.

Open the file that you just saved and open it with internet explorer.
backdrOp
Profile Joined November 2005
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-15 00:13:37
December 15 2006 00:11 GMT
#261
edit: nvm
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
December 15 2006 12:59 GMT
#262
I found a glitch.

if you press space bar and hold it down after the wave finish, the level keeps increasing indefinetly.
I got to level 1017 =p
Shots dont even hurt the invaders lol
http://www.kongregate.com/?referrer=Sagess
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
December 15 2006 13:17 GMT
#263
On December 15 2006 21:59 Leath wrote:
I found a glitch.

if you press space bar and hold it down after the wave finish, the level keeps increasing indefinetly.
I got to level 1017 =p
Shots dont even hurt the invaders lol


I did that with the hacked version thinking I could get reallly far btu at 200 I didn't kill a single one even with a field of fully upgraded flowers T_T
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-21 06:56:32
December 21 2006 06:55 GMT
#264
In the hacked version, the nature towers maxed out are better than flowers maxed out. I got to 185 on my 2nd try on the hacked version with non-optimal placement. I'll try once more, but this time filling the whole map with maxed nature towers.

On the original version... a couple people mentioned getting better than 83. I think baal was one of them? Anyhow, please post a screenshot of your tower placement. I can't beat 83.
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Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
December 21 2006 07:15 GMT
#265
was this really necessary =/

it was discussed that it was impossible to beat and therefor pointless =(
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
December 21 2006 08:39 GMT
#266
205 with an insane amount of nature towers on the hacked version. I could have done more, but upgrading 100+ nature towers to the max is a LOT of clicking.

Was this necessary? No, of course not. I still find the game fun despite it being impossible. You can always try to eek out another level or two. After my last fiasco with the hacked version I'm done with that though. Yes, 205 is beatable on it, but it would take FOREVERRR (until there's a modified version where you can upgrade with keyboard instead of mouse).
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