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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 23 2017 20:26 Gorsameth wrote: Same thing during the US election. People are really good at eating up cheap propaganda if it confirms their world view and ignoring any hypocrisy in the message/messenger. Yes, and I cannot but note that it generally comes from the same side of the political spectrum... | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 23 2017 05:34 LegalLord wrote: Did he ever release his fabled platform? Macron will release his program on March 2. But we already know its general orientation: -60 billions of public spending, pro-EU neoliberalism/extreme-centre TINA, and the programmed dismantling of the post-WWII social model; all of this covered with pseudo-modernist, empty talk about the “numeric revolution” and “new economic opportunities”. This guy is basically a market fundamentalist and a televangelist from the Silicon Valley who's ready to tell anyone what they want to hear, while saying or doing the opposite the day after. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 23 2017 20:29 opisska wrote: I dont now about France, but in Czech we basically arrived at a situation where everyone steals a little and fraud of public funds at small scale isnt that much of an issue for electability compared to the bilions that our finance ministr pumps fron the systrm towarda his companies. Yeah would be cool to have morally sound representatives, but pragmatically, I am willing to let them have their petty millions if their policies are good. Stuff gets blown out of proportion a lot as well in the West to be honest. Take any bigger private enterprise: their employees are gonna steal stuff and they won't use money responsibility for the firm projects but in whatever way it is convenient for them and that's just bottom level corruption. For some reason we have reached a point in our society that anything the state doesn't do superefficiently and anytime its employees behave like every other human being in the private industry, it is a "waste of our money". Imo it is simply a part of the neoliberal agenda that has been sparked a long time ago and which, once the great left parties faltered to it everyone just agreed to. "Wasting" money that "every hard worker" can see as taxes on their payslip is the worst crime nowadays, not paying that money to begin with is a "clever business man". | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 23 2017 20:29 opisska wrote: I dont now about France, but in Czech we basically arrived at a situation where everyone steals a little and fraud of public funds at small scale isnt that much of an issue for electability compared to the bilions that our finance ministr pumps fron the systrm towarda his companies. Yeah would be cool to have morally sound representatives, but pragmatically, I am willing to let them have their petty millions if their policies are good. Orwell had such a nice answer to that: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pics.onsizzle.com/a-people-that-elect-corrupt-politicians-imposters-thieves-and-traitors-5364877.png) | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 23 2017 20:32 farvacola wrote: Is there enough institutional transparency in Czech to warrant that kind of pragmatism? What I mean is, if a politician is known to commit petty acts of theft or deceit while in office, how can you tell that their policies are good or that their deceptive practices aren't being implemented outside the context of petty embezzlement? Well, but how much guarantee you get from the mere lack of petty theft that the given individual won't defraud on large scale? The finance minister who I have mentioned is pretty good at keeping clean image around him, yet he clearly abuses his position for huge gains. One advantage surely is that we are a small country and we do not have that many politicians, so it's easier to track their individual records of which policies they did actually push. There are even these nice web applications, where you can check which party voted on major points according to your positions and get some statistics and stuff - in general, the citizen initiatives in watching the politics are pretty lively, so that makes it a little easier to recognize who actually has what stances. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9244 Posts
http://www.mid.ru/en/nedostovernie-publikacii Russia's foreign ministry has launched a website to debunk fake news, but some social media users critical of the government are unimpressed by its lack of evidence. Moscow has itself often been accused of using propaganda and false information, especially in state media reporting on the conflict in Ukraine and its alleged attempts to influence the US presidential election. But Russia also says it's been the subject of false reports. On Monday the foreign ministry began posting stories it considers fake to a special section of its website, headlined "Examples of publications, retranslating false information about Russia". Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said the site would collect "fake news of leading western media", and provide primary sources and facts countering them. [...] The foreign ministry site doesn't explain what is allegedly wrong in each of the stories, and many social media users have been struck by the basic approach. Most dedicated fact-checking sites, such as Snopes and Politifact, dissect suspect stories in detail before reaching a verdict. "We at [the foreign ministry] have invented the fastest way to debunk 'fake' news, we just say it's fake without proving it," says the Soviet Sergey Twitter account, which parodies Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. "Use a thing to fight the same thing. Like some kind of homeopathy," joked the Canada-based Russian Twitter account Grey Cardinal. The lack of sophistication also seems at odds with the Kremlin's reputation for being a master of disinformation and media warfare. The English-language daily Moscow Times compares the foreign ministry's effort to a playground argument. It tweeted: "'No YOU'RE fake news,' Russian foreign ministry screams at reporters in big bold red letters". [...] http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39065825 | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 23 2017 20:18 TheDwf wrote: - Hamon (PS) and Jadot (ecologist) may conclude a deal soon. In that case, Jadot would drop out. (He weighs 1-2% in polls.) So, Jadot just announced that it's done. [And of course, the journalist asks him to leave a message to Mélenchon, who will be on the same TV station 30 minutes from now on; nice storytelling...] People who voted at the primary of the ecologists will have to confirm, but I doubt they vote against it. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
They should just all throw their weight behind Macron honestly | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 24 2017 04:31 Nyxisto wrote: how many left-wing parties are there in France? It seems like you literally have more communist parties than actual communists Hmm, let's say 9-10 ones are “big” enough to count, including 2 for the communist far-left. They should just all throw their weight behind Macron honestly Lol! Macron isn't from the left, even if he takes some votes from the center-left; and for anyone at the left of the PS, he pretty much embodies everything that they fight. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States3088 Posts
Sorry if I'm being annoying by constantly talking about that (and also my preference for parliamentary systems), but it really, really needs to be emphasized. The more politics I see, the more I realize that bipartisan pidgeon-holing and the spoiler effect are anti-democratic cancers that are truly and practically making the world a worse place. In any country, I will ally with anybody* that pledges to switch to a more equitable voting system. Being able to vote for the best candidate instead of the second-worst will, in the long run, be a greater benefit to mankind than whatever some party's going to screw up during one electoral cycle. *Probably not fascists, the far-right, or actual lunatics, but just about anybody. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On February 24 2017 04:31 Nyxisto wrote: how many left-wing parties are there in France? It seems like you literally have more communist parties than actual communists They should just all throw their weight behind Macron honestly I am still undecided if I should laugh or feel bad about the 2002 president election in france. Around 40% voted for candidates of "left" parties (although ranging from centre-left to communism), but still Le Pen advanced to the second round with less than 17% of votes. It's just too ironic that that political left in france prefers egoism over working together, when the traditional agenda of the left is that egoism is bad and we should make sure we all benefit by standing up for each other. At least thats how it was looking to me from the outside. Did they still not learn their lesson? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 24 2017 04:53 LegalLord wrote: Leftists hate each other almost as much as they hate the far right. No, far from that, but a certain tradition of sectarianism does make political/ideological divergences more... acute. | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
The EU, however... all bets are off. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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