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Sent.
Poland9297 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On December 21 2016 06:48 Nyxisto wrote: we've had much more terrorism before in Western European history, we were just living in relatively peaceful times after the Cold war had ended. Given digital communication and the mostly independent actors nowadays there is only so much any free country can do to stop terrorism. Who cares about before our peaceful times. People want the peaceful times back. Deport. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On December 21 2016 06:54 Sent. wrote: Weird, I always thought that German agencies were more competent than their French or Belgian equivalents. I would be surprised if attacks like those in Paris or Brussels happened in some German city. Seems hard to believe after this event. How does somebody drive a truck into a crowd of people and walk away? Particularly in an obvious target in a capital city at a time when the country should be on high alert... Sorry to say it but there's some real incompetence at play, here. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 21 2016 04:28 TheDwf wrote: The euro has to be dissolved, it's as simple as that. Changing it to make it work would require things that Germany cannot or is not willing to do, not to mention peoples would most likely vote against further transfers of sovereignty anyway. The only question is whether this happens in an organized fashion, or in a chaotic way when the next big crisis hits. I do not believe there is a way to go about that, that would not create chaos, extremist governments, a possible break-up of the EU overall and a huge blow to the economy and wealth. The mere announcment of dissolving the Euro would send some countries into deep shit. I don't think the EU would survive it at all and after a very hurtful process we'd end up with various economic blocks and lots of tensions, probably a few wars in the peripheric regions due to extremist governments. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 21 2016 01:41 Sent. wrote:They didn't say he's innocent, only that he might not be the main suspect. It didn't have to be a lone wolf attack. My bad. Here I was talking about assumption and here I am talking about an assumption. It does fit the profile of a lone wolf attack, but that is an assumption in and of itself. On December 21 2016 07:16 SK.Testie wrote: You are from Canada. Kindly STFU please about politics and situations and "people" you know nothing about please. Who cares about before our peaceful times. People want the peaceful times back. Deport. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22332 Posts
On December 21 2016 07:24 bardtown wrote: Seems hard to believe after this event. How does somebody drive a truck into a crowd of people and walk away? Particularly in an obvious target in a capital city at a time when the country should be on high alert... Sorry to say it but there's some real incompetence at play, here. What does that have to do with intelligence? Should an agent be on every street corner checking for attacks? After the truck there is a ton of chaos everywhere. Having someone slip away in that is not strange at all | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That being said I'd probably expect police around a famous Christmas markt in Berlin in general. Wether they happen to be at the right place when it happens is another question and it's probably impossible to distinguish between people fleeing the scene because a truck just drove into people right next to them and someone fleeing who drove said truck unless you're there before it happened. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5808 Posts
On December 21 2016 06:17 Nyxisto wrote: I have trouble believing that everybody else in Poland is somehow corrupt, and replacing corruption with ideological zeal is a really bad and dangerous trade in the long term. Orban at least is pragmatic enough to never push things too far, whereas we've seen numerous protests in Poland already just to stop attacks on really basic political rights, for example women's reproductive rights. We've seen many protests because the opposition decided to portray itself as a "total opposition" and contest everything PiS does. The fact that you bring up "women's reproductive rights" is very telling. Our opposition (save for Kukiz'15) chose a strategy of slinging shit and hoping something sticks. The abortion debacle is a prime example of that. PiS was not behind the proposed new law. Anyone with a clue knows that passing this law was not in PiS's interest as this would only appease a small minority of their voters and alienate a considerably bigger portion. And you'd be surprised how corrupt the previous government was... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22332 Posts
On December 21 2016 07:56 Toadesstern wrote: supposedly some badass (I can only believe civilian?) chased what he believed to be the guy who drove the truck even through a park and updated police on it which is how we ended up with the Pakistani I think? That being said I'd probably expect police around a famous Christmas markt in Berlin in general. Wether they happen to be at the right place when it happens is another question and it's probably impossible to distinguish between people fleeing the scene because a truck just drove into people right next to them and someone fleeing who drove said truck unless you're there before it happened. Yeah unless your right there with line of sight as he stops and gets out of the truck your not going to notice and the people actually there are probably to shocked and paying more attention to those hit. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 21 2016 07:16 SK.Testie wrote: Who cares about before our peaceful times. People want the peaceful times back. Deport. Peaceful times aren't coming back, terrorism all over the world has increased, the stupid actionism is going to do nothing. We're not going to have our politics dictated by terrorists. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On December 21 2016 11:28 Nyxisto wrote: Peaceful times aren't coming back, terrorism all over the world has increased, the stupid actionism is going to do nothing. We're not going to have our politics dictated by terrorists. What a lovely message for the future. "Peaceful times aren't coming back." | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 21 2016 12:15 SK.Testie wrote: What a lovely message for the future. "Peaceful times aren't coming back." More peaceful times will come back, but the 'end of history' mode that we've been in from the 90's to the early 2000's hasn't happened, and in the foreseeable future terrorism is going to be a threat, there's no quick fix for it. Nonetheless the response needs to be focused on security policies, measured and not hysterical or divisive for political gain. That's going to help exactly nobody. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
Woman kicked down stairs in Berlin subway police had the video tape with those people and couldn't ID/catch them?. was there no database to compare against?. what were people supposed to do there(police asked their help)?. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On December 21 2016 17:06 xM(Z wrote: i was looking at http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38297302 + Show Spoiler + Woman kicked down stairs in Berlin subway police had the video tape with those people and couldn't ID/catch them?. was there no database to compare against?. what were people supposed to do there(police asked their help)?. The guy kicking her was caught... | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On December 21 2016 08:02 maybenexttime wrote: We've seen many protests because the opposition decided to portray itself as a "total opposition" and contest everything PiS does. The fact that you bring up "women's reproductive rights" is very telling. Our opposition (save for Kukiz'15) chose a strategy of slinging shit and hoping something sticks. The abortion debacle is a prime example of that. PiS was not behind the proposed new law. Anyone with a clue knows that passing this law was not in PiS's interest as this would only appease a small minority of their voters and alienate a considerably bigger portion. And you'd be surprised how corrupt the previous government was... The rhetoric of "government is corrupt, something needs to be done with it" is an extremely dangerous one, as is any other attempt to steer elections on a single issue. In Czech Republic, the current leading party (ANO) has risen to prominence exactly on this - every politician is corrupt, they are different, their leader is not a politician but a hard working businessman, the corruption is everywhere and needs to be purged. So far, this businessman has made several billions extra since the election on state subsidies and his policies are quickly destroying most of his competition. Yet he still has overwhelming support, because he is kicking the butts of the previous corrupt politicians! The point is, that there is no easy solution. Real democratic politics comes from democratic parties, built from ground up, from the individual members and local organizations. You can't just throw those out, vote a strong leader and think it's gonna work out. It is exactly the same as with the migration issues: quick solutions are shouted loudly by people who just want power, while actual solutions mean slow and systematic work. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 21 2016 18:49 opisska wrote: The rhetoric of "government is corrupt, something needs to be done with it" is an extremely dangerous one, as is any other attempt to steer elections on a single issue. In Czech Republic, the current leading party (ANO) has risen to prominence exactly on this - every politician is corrupt, they are different, their leader is not a politician but a hard working businessman, the corruption is everywhere and needs to be purged. So far, this businessman has made several billions extra since the election on state subsidies and his policies are quickly destroying most of his competition. Yet he still has overwhelming support, because he is kicking the butts of the previous corrupt politicians! The point is, that there is no easy solution. Real democratic politics comes from democratic parties, built from ground up, from the individual members and local organizations. You can't just throw those out, vote a strong leader and think it's gonna work out. It is exactly the same as with the migration issues: quick solutions are shouted loudly by people who just want power, while actual solutions mean slow and systematic work. There is absolutely nothing that can be done about that with the current distribution of money and wealth. You can have all the votes in the world, but that does not give you power. Democratic means you have to be social, otherwise the votes you get don't give you power. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
 Dunno, probably u need to close access to ppl from Middle East for some time, but that won't happen probably | ||
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