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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
November 24 2016 11:46 GMT
#11961
On November 24 2016 03:49 Sent. wrote:
In the early 90s we had the Polish Beer-Lovers' Party. They started as a satirical party but they made it to the parliament so you can say there was something serious about them.

Show nested quote +
Originally, the party's goal was to promote cultural beer-drinking in English-style pubs instead of vodka and thus fight alcoholism.

Although it may have started as a prank, with time, its members developed a serious platform. Moreover, the idea of a political discussion in establishments that served quality beer became a symbol of freedom of association and expression, intellectual tolerance, and a higher standard of living. Its humorous name probably helped the party win votes from a politically disenchanted populace in the 1991 parliamentary elections.

In the 1991 parliamentary elections the PPPP won 16 seats in the Sejm capturing 2.97% of the vote. The party soon split into Large Beer and Small Beer factions, despite Rewiński's claims that "beer is neither light nor dark, it is tasty." Eventually the PPPP was dissolved.


This is absolutely hilarious :D
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 24 2016 11:56 GMT
#11962
On November 24 2016 20:22 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 16:50 zatic wrote:
WhiteDog will be ecstatic: Martin Schulz is moving back into German federal politics and is being talked about as social democrat chancellor candidate, to challenge Merkel.

I prefer Merkel on Schulz.

I know that's why I wrote that.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
November 24 2016 11:59 GMT
#11963
On November 24 2016 20:56 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 20:22 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 24 2016 16:50 zatic wrote:
WhiteDog will be ecstatic: Martin Schulz is moving back into German federal politics and is being talked about as social democrat chancellor candidate, to challenge Merkel.

I prefer Merkel on Schulz.

I know that's why I wrote that.

You think he can win ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 12:20:20
November 24 2016 12:17 GMT
#11964
On November 24 2016 17:34 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 10:46 Yurie wrote:
On November 24 2016 10:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Donald Trump is more likely to keep America committed to Nato if more European countries follow the UK’s lead and increase their defence spending, Nato’s secretary general has said after talks with the British prime minister, Theresa May.

With Trump casting doubt on the value of Nato during the presidential election campaign, the secretary general of the transatlantic defence organisation, Jens Stoltenberg, called on countries to hand over more cash to secure the “transatlantic bond”.

Trump, who has promised to strengthen relations with Russia, also suggested the US might not come to the aid of an ally that did not meet the spending target of defence expenditure at 2% of GDP.

May, who backs calls for European nations to spend more, insisted the UK would remain a “cornerstone” of Nato.

In his talks with May, Stoltenberg praised the British for reaching the 2% target, saying: “By doing so you lead by example. It’s good to see that other allies are now following you and they are starting to increase defence spending.

“They still have a long way to go but are starting to move in the right direction. More defence spending in Europe is important for the transatlantic bond, for fair burden-sharing between Europe and the United States.”

May said Nato needed to focus on recognising “new threats as they emerge” and in particular cyber capabilities.

Britain is one of just four European members of Nato to hit the agreed Nato spending target. The others are Poland, Estonia and Greece.

Stoltenberg has tried to lower the temperature surrounding Trump’s interventions by saying it has been the position of successive American presidents, and almost almost all US politicians, that European countries need to do more to contribute to their own defence.

He has claimed calls to reverse cuts have been heeded and spending is slowly starting to rise.

Stoltenberg has calculated that if all Nato countries met the 2% target $100bn (£80bn) would be raised, equivalent to the combined budgets of the largest defence spenders in Europe: the UK and France.

But Stoltenberg will also be concerned by the impact of Brexit on European defence thinking. The high probability of the UK’s departure from the EU has given added impetus to European politicians calling for stronger EU defences.

After Brexit, non-EU allies will account for 80% of Nato’s defence spending. Three of the four Nato battlegroups to be deployed in Poland and the Baltic states will be led by non-EU allies.

Stoltenberg argues the imbalance means European countries cannot afford to be decoupled from non-EU Nato allies. But he says he is not opposed to greater EU defence cooperation, so long as there is no attempt to duplicate Nato assets or command structures.


Source

2% of GDP translates to something like 10% of the entire government budget for most countries? In which case I see why a lot of countries does not want it. Global trend has been a downward trend after the cold war ended, wanting to ramp it up again feels strange. In Eurasia the three worrisome areas are middle east conflicts (no need to increase spending because of it), Russian and Chinese expansions. If you improve relations with Russia you only have the Chinese problem remaining for the majority of Nato nations.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?year_high_desc=false

Seems more logical to me to decrease US military spending to the general Nato level than increase it for most other members. (Which has slowly been happening.)

Edit. Excluded the Indian borders since those don't worry Nato nations and are mostly stable.

10% of the government budget for NATO countries? Most of the rich western governments spend 40-50% of GDP.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_budget
5% of budget, ~1.9% of GDP (based on worldbank source in previous post).

http://www.regeringen.se/artiklar/2015/09/statens-budget-2016-i-siffror/
Sweden also uses 5% of budget but it translates to 1.1% of GDP.

Meaning the available amount of GDP varies a lot depending on the country. Or they use different ways to measure things. Your point is excellent though, I just did a quick check on Sweden previously.

Checking a site like: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/sweden/military-expenditure says it is 22% for Sweden which is factually false when checking the actual government budgets. So I guess to actually use figures one would need to decide on one source to actually use instead of comparing different ones as I did. Then hope it is equally wrong for everybody.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 24 2016 13:17 GMT
#11965
On November 24 2016 20:59 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 20:56 zatic wrote:
On November 24 2016 20:22 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 24 2016 16:50 zatic wrote:
WhiteDog will be ecstatic: Martin Schulz is moving back into German federal politics and is being talked about as social democrat chancellor candidate, to challenge Merkel.

I prefer Merkel on Schulz.

I know that's why I wrote that.

You think he can win ?

No, I don't think he has any chance. But it is not unlikely that one year from now we will again have a CDU/CSU-SPD coalition government headed by Merkel. And should that happen it would mean a Martin Schulz as either foreign minister or minister for the economy.
That is projecting far far into a very uncertain future of course: But in any case, German politics will get a whole lot of Martin Schulz until Sep 2017.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 24 2016 14:22 GMT
#11966
Germany needs a new foreign minister as soon as Steinmeier becomes president... So we may have him even before september.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 24 2016 15:30 GMT
#11967


A tiny lander that crashed on Mars last month flew into the red planet at 540km/h (335mph) instead of gently gliding to a stop, after a computer misjudged its altitude, the European Space Agency has said.

Schiaparelli was on a test-run for a future rover meant to seek out evidence of life, past or present, but it fell silent seconds before its scheduled touchdown on 19 October.

After trawling through vast amounts of data, the ESA said on Wednesday that while much of the mission went according to plan, a computer that measured the rotation of the lander hit a maximum reading, knocking other calculations off track.

That led the navigation system to think the lander was much lower than it was, causing its parachute and braking thrusters to be deployed prematurely.

“The erroneous information generated an estimated altitude that was negative – that is, below ground level,” the ESA said in a statement.

“This in turn successively triggered a premature release of the parachute and the backshell [heat shield], a brief firing of the braking thrusters and finally activation of the on-ground systems as if Schiaparelli had already landed. In reality, the vehicle was still at an altitude of around 3.7km (2.3 miles).”

The €230m ($251m) Schiaparelli had spent seven months travelling 496m kilometres (308m miles) onboard the so-called Trace Gas Orbiter to within a million kilometres of Mars when it set off on its own mission to reach the surface.

After a scorching, supersonic dash through Mars’s thin atmosphere, it was supposed to glide gently towards the planet’s surface.

For a safe landing, Schiaparelli had to slow from 21,000km/h (13,000mph) to zero, and survive temperatures of more than 1,500C (2,730F) generated by atmospheric drag.

It was equipped with a discardable, heat-protective shell, a parachute and nine thrusters to decelerate, and a crushable structure in its belly to cushion the final impact.

The crash was Europe’s second failed attempt to reach the surface of Mars.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 24 2016 17:05 GMT
#11968
"A computer misjudged his altitude". Lol, someone has ruined his carrier with that you mean.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 17:46:13
November 24 2016 17:45 GMT
#11969
On November 25 2016 02:05 corumjhaelen wrote:
"A computer misjudged his altitude". Lol, someone has ruined his carrier with that you mean.

It was one of our guys according to the Italian press. Dumitru Popescu's Arca Space was contracted by ESA to test reentry into the atmosphere, this test's location was near Crimea and was cancelled after Russia invaded it. The mission went ahead without that test and one of the computers tilted during entry and that caused the crash.

http://www.repubblica.it/scienze/2016/11/20/news/popescu_il_teologo_a_cui_l_esa_affido_la_sonda_schiaparelli-152393310/
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 18:18:25
November 24 2016 18:16 GMT
#11970
On November 24 2016 22:17 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 20:59 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 24 2016 20:56 zatic wrote:
On November 24 2016 20:22 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 24 2016 16:50 zatic wrote:
WhiteDog will be ecstatic: Martin Schulz is moving back into German federal politics and is being talked about as social democrat chancellor candidate, to challenge Merkel.

I prefer Merkel on Schulz.

I know that's why I wrote that.

You think he can win ?

No, I don't think he has any chance. But it is not unlikely that one year from now we will again have a CDU/CSU-SPD coalition government headed by Merkel. And should that happen it would mean a Martin Schulz as either foreign minister or minister for the economy.
That is projecting far far into a very uncertain future of course: But in any case, German politics will get a whole lot of Martin Schulz until Sep 2017.


it's getting quite complicated to get anything that isn't SPD+CDU atm... we basicly have 20% noone wants to work with on a national level (10% AFD, 10% Left according to Wiki).
So CDU (36%) + Greens (10%) + FDP (5%), again all according to Wiki, would technically be possible... but that has more if's involved than I can count to barely get 51% between 3 parties lol
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 24 2016 18:17 GMT
#11971
Wait, I'm genuinely curious, how does a civilian space program test and the Crimea situation have any connection?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9235 Posts
November 24 2016 18:40 GMT
#11972
On November 25 2016 03:17 LegalLord wrote:
Wait, I'm genuinely curious, how does a civilian space program test and the Crimea situation have any connection?

The module was supposed to be retrieved from the Black Sea by the navy, other than that and what's in the article I don't know any details.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 18:45:10
November 24 2016 18:44 GMT
#11973
I guess the Russian navy that was there before the entire Crimea situation suddenly became more dangerous to a civilian space program because now Crimea is under Russia's direct control? I really can't guess as to the logic here, it seems pretty weird.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 24 2016 18:49 GMT
#11974
On November 25 2016 02:05 corumjhaelen wrote:
"A computer misjudged his altitude". Lol, someone has ruined his carrier with that you mean.


No, the project leader should have gone over this and made sure that things would work out correctly
maru lover forever
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-24 19:16:51
November 24 2016 19:15 GMT
#11975
On November 25 2016 03:44 LegalLord wrote:
I guess the Russian navy that was there before the entire Crimea situation suddenly became more dangerous to a civilian space program because now Crimea is under Russia's direct control? I really can't guess as to the logic here, it seems pretty weird.

That's the least weird thing about this, I can see why our navy would want to avoid Russia's after they just annexed a piece of our neighbour, of course that when you do that you become suddenly more dangerous. What's weird is that Arca didn't move the test elsewhere, or do it with a private company instead of the navy, or rescheduled it after things calmed down a bit, there were almost 2 years between then and the launch. That company is sketchy enough for me to consider that this was an excuse, but I simply don't know enough about what happened to grab my pitchfork.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 25 2016 06:11 GMT
#11976
http://uawire.org/news/eu-voted-on-resolution-to-counter-russian-media#
At a meeting on Wednesday, November 23, members of the European Parliament voted on a resolution to combat the Russian media, the most dangerous of which were determined to be the Sputnik news agency and RT television network.

Out of 691 deputies who voted, 304 supported the document. In the resolution, initiated by the deputy from Poland, Anna Fotyga, it is argued that Russia provides financial support to opposition political parties and organizations in EU member-states.

The Sputnik news agency, RT television network, Russkiy Mir Foundation and the Federal Agency Rossotrudnichestvo were named as the main informational threats to the EU and its partners in Eastern Europe.

It has been argued that Moscow is conducting hostile propaganda against the European Union. Authors of the resolution have equated countering Russia to the fight against the so-called Islamic State.

The resolution is advisory in nature, and its execution by EU member-states is not obligatory.
countering russian media can go from various sanctions(fines, temporary suspensions) to revoking licenses of russian media outlets or kicking out russian journalists from EU(by cancelling residence permits).
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 25 2016 06:22 GMT
#11977
A non-binding resolution with no specific course of action outlined. One might wonder whether there is anything newsworthy to this.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
November 25 2016 06:27 GMT
#11978
Out of 691 deputies who voted, 304 supported the document
is newsworthy
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6301 Posts
November 25 2016 16:30 GMT
#11979
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan threatened on Friday to unleash a new wave of migrants on Europe after lawmakers there voted for a temporary halt to Turkey's EU membership negotiations, but behind the fighting talk, neither side wants a collapse in ties.

Europe's deteriorating relations with Turkey, a buffer against the conflicts in Syria and Iraq, are endangering a deal which has helped to significantly reduce a migrant influx which saw more than 1.3 million people arrive in Europe last year.

"You clamored when 50,000 refugees came to Kapikule, and started wondering what would happen if the border gates were opened," Erdogan said in a speech in Istanbul, referring to a Bulgarian border checkpoint where migrants massed last year.

"If you go any further, these border gates will be opened. Neither I nor my people will be affected by these empty threats," he told a women's conference, dismissing Thursday's vote in the European Parliament in Strasbourg.

"Don't forget, the West needs Turkey."

The agreement struck in March with Ankara, under which it helps control migration in return for the promise of accelerated EU membership talks and aid, has reduced the influx via Turkey to a trickle. But its neighbors are still struggling to cope.

Clashes broke out at a migrant camp on the Greek island of Lesbos after a fire killed a woman and a 6-year old child late on Thursday, while Bulgaria said it would extradite hundreds of asylum seekers to their native Afghanistan next month after they clashed with riot police.

The vote by the European Parliament in favor of freezing Turkey's EU accession talks was non-binding and Germany, France and most other EU states back continued engagement, despite their concerns about Turkey's human rights record.

European leaders fear putting at risk Erdogan's cooperation on migration at a time when far-right and anti-immigrant parties have seen their popularity rise, particularly with elections next year in France, Germany and Holland.

Sensing Europe's weakness, Erdogan has repeatedly threatened in recent days that Turkey could "cut its own umbilical cord" and sever ties with the EU, playing migration as his trump card.

But Turkey also needs Europe. The EU is Turkey's largest trading partner and its 11-year membership negotiations, though long stalled, served in their early years as an important anchor for pro-market reforms and investor confidence.

"Cutting off membership talks would harm both sides. We are aware of this," said Yasin Aktay, a spokesman for the ruling AK Party, which was founded by Erdogan.

"We support the continuing of relations, we know this will benefit us and them. But if there is a negative step from the other side, we will not be held responsible for the consequences," he said.

www.reuters.com
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-25 17:15:33
November 25 2016 16:50 GMT
#11980
On November 25 2016 15:27 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
Out of 691 deputies who voted, 304 supported the document
is newsworthy


So typical voting distributions are newsworthy now? It might also be important to note that about 200 of them abstained or whatever its called. They didn't vote for or against this advisory resolution.

Personally, I'm a little disturbed by any form of attempts at censorship, but it comes as no surprise after everything surrounding the American elections. I just hope that between this kind of thing and censorship on Twitter/Facebook/etc it is not going to get out of hand somehow in the future.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
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