EPTEspecially since the agreement is gonna be asymmetric in increasing foreign investor rights vs worker rights and their action radius on buying/selling labour.
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
Especially since the agreement is gonna be asymmetric in increasing foreign investor rights vs worker rights and their action radius on buying/selling labour. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10156 Posts
On May 09 2016 17:04 Velr wrote: "Just" selling cars... You realise how big of a factor the whole car industry is for Germany/France and countless other small businesses in and around Germany/France? I'm against TTIP but "Just" is really not the right word here. It's also on Spain, remove the word if you prefer, i don't mean it to reduce the impact the car industry has on our economies and exports, it's "just" my way of writing about it since it doesn't seem like pros would overweight the cons, not because i think it's small. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
What we would sell more, with TIPP, are the different goods that are protected by some kind of rule or convention, or a higher tariff (which basically does not exist). | ||
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Zurich15366 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
see https://piie.com/publications/pb/pb15-10.pdf | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Austria’s social democratic chancellor has resigned suddenly, becoming the first major political victim of Europe’s refugee crisis after accusations from within his own party that he had caved in to rightwing populist demands to build fences on the country’s borders. Werner Faymann, whose Social Democrats (SPÖ) suffered heavy losses in the first round of the presidential election last month, had initially taken a sympathetic approach to German chancellor Angela Merkel’s policy to support newcomers to Europe. But with opinion polls consistently showing that the Freedom party (FPÖ), a rightwing populist group whose success is built on anti-immigration views and and fears of Islamisation, was topping the popularity stakes, the 56-year-old did an abrupt U-turn. He joined his coalition partners from the centre-right People’s party (ÖVP) in deciding to erect fences on Austria’s borders and, working in tandem with Balkan states on the migrant routes, encouraged them to do the same. aymann’s standing within the party plummeted. At recent May Day celebrations in Vienna, normally a deeply symbolic day for the party which has had a strong position in the city since the end of the second world war, Faymann was booed and jeered, with SPÖ supporters holding up placards demanding his resignation, which he obliged on Monday. Faymann, who had been in office for nearly eight years, admitted at a press conference in the chancellor’s office that he had lost the support of his party and would also be stepping down from his role as head of the SPÖ. Source | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
On May 11 2016 14:22 WhiteDog wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozj0qwnMGZ0 That´s one of the reasons why I am against TTIP. It is not democratic. It is politics for companies who want to have their own jurisdiction. Also, I´m pretty sure lobbyists know exactly what the documents say, because they created the lines of those documents themselves. Thanks for sharing. I heard it would be like that, but a vid is always nice to get a better view of things. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6304 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
Also, I dont understand why the negotations have to happen in almost utter secrecy. Makes me feel that are a lot of fishy things going on. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
So, where is the democracy ? huh.... More like technocracy. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 13 2016 08:41 Nyxisto wrote: Honestly though every time someone in France tries to change a labour law it looks like the whole country is in revolt. Also the 35h work week has not worked at all if I remember correctly as it didn't actually reduce workload. Unflexible work times are really bad in modern economies. Technocrat nyxisto is at it again. You think it's normal that the only laws that do not pass by through the congress are direct transcript of european "recommandations". Where the hell is our sovereignty ? The discussion on labor in France is secondary, and the law is stupid anyway, much like any economic policy coming from europe. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Just saying, I don't even know what you're saying, and it's blatant stupidity from my point of view. Congress is collectivism ? Representative democracy is the form of democracy most countries have, including germany ; in most countries law pass through the congress where they are debated and voted ; it's not "collectivism" whatever you mean with that. If a party, in this case the socialist party, have the majority of seats in the congress (which they have) they can vote any laws. But this law is so wrong and stupid, that even elected representative of the party who propose the law are against it ; and since we're talking about european recommandations, they prefer passing in force rather than negociate with their own deputee ... What ? De Gaulle created the 49-3 because he thought parlementarism could be problematic in grave situations (war mostly), and it's used to force on french laws that comes directly from technocrats with no brain in europe. But I've understood that your idea of democracy is technocracy, passing laws against and above the people. I guess it works in Germany. You need to consider whether the outcome of a policy is desirable or not and especially in France And this is done through democratic debate, not by failures in europe. If not, laws have no legitimacy, and thus create instability, especially when they fail : the european union in a nutshell. By the way, the idea that France is impossible to reform is kinda ignorant. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22492 Posts
On May 13 2016 08:20 WhiteDog wrote: In France, the government used an article of the constitution (called 49-3) to force the passage of a law without having to pass through the congress (despite popular opposition, 70 % of french against) ; this law (called law El-Khomri) basically change the regulation of labor in France and is the direct transcript of european demands or "recommandations" (set in 2015). It is the second time that the government used this article to force the passage of a law, the last law being the law called "macron", which was also a copy of european demands (2014). So, where is the democracy ? huh.... More like technocracy. I dont think you know what a technocracy is. Please enlighten me how the avoidance of democratic choice to implement European laws has anything to do with a government system based on knowledge. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 13 2016 09:38 Gorsameth wrote: I dont think you know what a technocracy is. Please enlighten me how the avoidance of democratic choice to implement European laws has anything to do with a government system based on knowledge. So you think european recommandations are not based on scientific knowledge ? They are specifically based on certain economic theory - the idea of the segmentation of the labor market, the division between "insiders" and "outsiders", etc. It is technocracy. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22492 Posts
On May 13 2016 09:40 WhiteDog wrote: So you think european recommandations are not based on scientific knowledge ? No I dont. if they were the EU would not be in the shithole it is now. | ||
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