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hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-24 07:54:35
March 24 2016 07:54 GMT
#8841
On March 24 2016 16:33 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 02:30 Velr wrote:
On March 19 2016 09:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On March 17 2016 23:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
Did the Sea-Dinosaurs blame anyone for their Global warming ?

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160308/ncomms10825/full/ncomms10825.html


Also, why do we keep on selling super eco fridges, cars, computers....and riding trains and bicycles to work while all the funny green-house-emissions actually come from our livestock& farming activity ?

http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/


There are achievable goals and not achievable goals. Massive forced vegetarianism is most certainly not achievable. Then there's the idea that global warming happens on a scale, it's not a binary 'warmer' or 'not warmer'; either way it's going to get warmer but we need to try to make the increase as small as we can - even if all our combined efforts to combine climate change results in global average temperatures rising by 1.6 instead of 2 degrees over the next 50 years then that might be the difference between living areas inhabited by 120 and 200 million (im just throwing out numbers here, not even guesstimations, it's just to illustrate the line of thinking) becoming uninhabitable.

Agreed that the whole super eco fridges thing is silly though, but that's mostly a lot of people don't actually discard their old fridge when they get a new super eco one - they just move the old one to the basement and then they have two fridges. lol.


To add to this... There are tons of other, non climate influencing, emissions that are bad for the enviroment and health of people. Reduing that is NEVER bad.

I'm far from a green hippie, but i don't see in what world it is bad to use (and support) more efficient or emission free "technologies"(like bike-technology .

Bikes are actually a great example. Depending on your situation you barely lose any traveling time, you do something for your health, you save money and on top of all that it is, aside from the production, emission free. Its win/win/win, that doesn't mean you should force people to use a bike, but why wouldn't you aid/support/help people that commute mainly by bike?

Btw: I don't even own a bycicle :D

the issue with a bike is that you're all sweaty when you arrive. I really cannot have that in my job.


you could get in better shape, for example by more biking.
i have a friend who only uses a bike to get anywhere in berlin. doesnt own a car and never uses public transportation and you can easily have 15+km distances there.

but i also dont own a bike, lol.
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
March 24 2016 12:15 GMT
#8842
On March 24 2016 16:54 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 16:33 RvB wrote:
On March 24 2016 02:30 Velr wrote:
On March 19 2016 09:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On March 17 2016 23:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
Did the Sea-Dinosaurs blame anyone for their Global warming ?

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160308/ncomms10825/full/ncomms10825.html


Also, why do we keep on selling super eco fridges, cars, computers....and riding trains and bicycles to work while all the funny green-house-emissions actually come from our livestock& farming activity ?

http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/


There are achievable goals and not achievable goals. Massive forced vegetarianism is most certainly not achievable. Then there's the idea that global warming happens on a scale, it's not a binary 'warmer' or 'not warmer'; either way it's going to get warmer but we need to try to make the increase as small as we can - even if all our combined efforts to combine climate change results in global average temperatures rising by 1.6 instead of 2 degrees over the next 50 years then that might be the difference between living areas inhabited by 120 and 200 million (im just throwing out numbers here, not even guesstimations, it's just to illustrate the line of thinking) becoming uninhabitable.

Agreed that the whole super eco fridges thing is silly though, but that's mostly a lot of people don't actually discard their old fridge when they get a new super eco one - they just move the old one to the basement and then they have two fridges. lol.


To add to this... There are tons of other, non climate influencing, emissions that are bad for the enviroment and health of people. Reduing that is NEVER bad.

I'm far from a green hippie, but i don't see in what world it is bad to use (and support) more efficient or emission free "technologies"(like bike-technology .

Bikes are actually a great example. Depending on your situation you barely lose any traveling time, you do something for your health, you save money and on top of all that it is, aside from the production, emission free. Its win/win/win, that doesn't mean you should force people to use a bike, but why wouldn't you aid/support/help people that commute mainly by bike?

Btw: I don't even own a bycicle :D

the issue with a bike is that you're all sweaty when you arrive. I really cannot have that in my job.


you could get in better shape, for example by more biking.
i have a friend who only uses a bike to get anywhere in berlin. doesnt own a car and never uses public transportation and you can easily have 15+km distances there.

but i also dont own a bike, lol.

not every person sweats the same.
it is not determined by "shape" alone.

for me it is a big problem and a deterent to cycle to important meetings in most weather conditions...

the biggest incentive for riding bikes would be changing rooms with comfortable showers at work.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
March 24 2016 18:04 GMT
#8843
The European Central Bank is approaching the limits of its monetary policy, and further expansion of its asset-purchase program could give rise to legal and financial stability concerns, Governing Council member Klaas Knot said.

“A further expansion of the buying program will lead to increased tensions with the prohibition of monetary financing,” said Knot, who is also the president of the Dutch central bank. He made the comments in the bank’s annual report, published in Amsterdam on Thursday. The ECB is constrained by European Union law from directly funding government expenditure.

ECB President Mario Draghi unveiled a barrage of measures this month designed to arrest the euro-area’s slide toward deflation. As well as cutting its deposit rate by 10 basis points, the Frankfurt-based institution increased monthly bond purchases to 80 billion euros ($90 billion) from 60 billion, and added corporate debt to the list of assets its can buy. It also announced fresh targeted loans that could see banks paid to take central-bank cash and lend it to the real economy.

Knot said at a press conference in Amsterdam on Thursday that the marginal benefit of taking more measures is diminishing. “Technically it’s always possible to to more, but you can question whether the added value weighs against the side effects, and I’ve my doubts about that.”

Quantitative easing also leads to “higher risks of undesirable side effects like bubbles, an unhealthy search for yield, a rolling over of problematic loans, increasing wealth inequality and an addiction to low interest rates,” Knot said.

Another potential consequence is that governments become less inclined to work on structural reforms and reduce debt, given the generosity of monetary policy, Knot said. “The ball is now clearly in the court of the politicians”, he added.

Knot argued that more time is needed to evaluate the impact of the monetary policy measures already taken.
“Given the depth of the shock that took us away from the 2 percent inflation goal, it’s not a strange idea that the time which is necessary to get back to that level will be longer than the 18 to 24 months we normally consider for our medium term inflation goal.”

www.bloomberg.com
Knot is one of 2 who actually voted against the latest monetary easing.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2016 20:06 GMT
#8844
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Shortly after last November’s attacks on Paris by a Brussels-based Islamic State cell, a top U.S. counter-terrorism official traveling in Europe wanted to visit Brussels to learn more about the investigation.

When the official tried to arrange meetings, however, his Belgian counterparts were not welcoming, according to U.S. officials familiar with the events. The Belgians indicated it was a bad time to speak to foreign officials as they were too busy with the investigation, said the officials, who asked not to be identified.

Belgian officials declined to comment on the incident.

The brush-off was one small sign of mounting U.S. frustration over Brussels’ handling of its worsening Islamic militant threat.

Concern that the small European nation’s security and intelligence officials are overwhelmed — and that its coordination with allies falls short — have again come to the fore following the Islamic State-claimed attacks on Tuesday that killed at least 31 people.

Several U.S. officials say that security cooperation has been hampered by patchy intelligence-sharing by Brussels and wide differences in the willingness of different agencies to work with foreign countries, even close allies.

One U.S. government source said that when American investigators try to contact Belgian agencies for information, they often struggle to find which agency or part of an agency might have relevant information.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
March 27 2016 11:59 GMT
#8845
Seems overly US-centric. Why the hell should some random US investigator be given access to the ongoing Belgian investigation. It's okay to offer help, but Belgium is quite entitled to decline that help, and there's no reason for the US to get their panties in a bundle.

It's like Katrina and fixing the problems with New Orleans' waterworks. The Dutch offered to help, the US declined. Fine. Sort out your own problems.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28798 Posts
March 27 2016 12:10 GMT
#8846
well I'd argue that anyone declining dutch help regarding waterworks is stupid. Likewise I'm inclined to think that brushing off US counter-terrorism intelligence officials is not the smartest thing either, and from what I'm reading, Belgian police&security isn't the best organized entity..
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
March 27 2016 12:25 GMT
#8847
On March 27 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well I'd argue that anyone declining dutch help regarding waterworks is stupid. Likewise I'm inclined to think that brushing off US counter-terrorism intelligence officials is not the smartest thing either, and from what I'm reading, Belgian police&security isn't the best organized entity..

I think it goes without saying that Belgian Intelligence failed at some point considering the extend of the terrorist network in the country.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 12:29:37
March 27 2016 12:28 GMT
#8848
My father did a bunch of work for the government of Belgium on behalf of the Justice Dept. relative to their forensics and investigatory procedures, and he was astounded as to just how inefficient they were compared to the US. This is not to trumpet US superiority, rather that it seems odd that they'd decline US assistance when they've previously sought it out and found themselves lacking.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11840 Posts
March 27 2016 12:28 GMT
#8849
The problem with US intelligence agencies is that no one trusts them to only spy on the people they promise to help you with anymore. They have a lot of goodwill to rebuild, and they don't appear to try to do that at all, thus they will have to deal with people not trusting them.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 27 2016 12:36 GMT
#8850
russian propaganda bot snowden yielding huge returns
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
March 27 2016 12:55 GMT
#8851
get triggered dud.

i've been saying for a while that: it's US+half UK, EU+Turkey+half UK and Russia+its nukes or w/e.
US and EU started parting ways around the 2008 - 2009 mark after the FED scandal, with its discount borrowing and all that.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 16:54:09
March 27 2016 16:53 GMT
#8852
On March 27 2016 21:28 farvacola wrote:
My father did a bunch of work for the government of Belgium on behalf of the Justice Dept. relative to their forensics and investigatory procedures, and he was astounded as to just how inefficient they were compared to the US. This is not to trumpet US superiority, rather that it seems odd that they'd decline US assistance when they've previously sought it out and found themselves lacking.

It's a question of dignity now. They're the farce of europe for their inefficiency, all terrorists coming from belgium and all those affairs (like the fact that they knew where abdelslam was since the 7th of December ...) are putting them to such shame that they need to show some result by themselves.

They should not worry tho, it's the entire europe that's retarded.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 27 2016 19:24 GMT
#8853
On March 27 2016 21:25 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well I'd argue that anyone declining dutch help regarding waterworks is stupid. Likewise I'm inclined to think that brushing off US counter-terrorism intelligence officials is not the smartest thing either, and from what I'm reading, Belgian police&security isn't the best organized entity..

I think it goes without saying that Belgian Intelligence failed at some point considering the extend of the terrorist network in the country.

Its a legitimate question to ask whether they failed, or willfully ignored the threat.
Freeeeeeedom
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
March 27 2016 19:31 GMT
#8854
On March 28 2016 04:24 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 21:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well I'd argue that anyone declining dutch help regarding waterworks is stupid. Likewise I'm inclined to think that brushing off US counter-terrorism intelligence officials is not the smartest thing either, and from what I'm reading, Belgian police&security isn't the best organized entity..

I think it goes without saying that Belgian Intelligence failed at some point considering the extend of the terrorist network in the country.

Its a legitimate question to ask whether they failed, or willfully ignored the threat.

Are you fucking serious? No they did not willfully ignore a bunch of terrorists planning attacks in their country...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 27 2016 19:42 GMT
#8855
On March 28 2016 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 04:24 cLutZ wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well I'd argue that anyone declining dutch help regarding waterworks is stupid. Likewise I'm inclined to think that brushing off US counter-terrorism intelligence officials is not the smartest thing either, and from what I'm reading, Belgian police&security isn't the best organized entity..

I think it goes without saying that Belgian Intelligence failed at some point considering the extend of the terrorist network in the country.

Its a legitimate question to ask whether they failed, or willfully ignored the threat.

Are you fucking serious? No they did not willfully ignore a bunch of terrorists planning attacks in their country...

Not in that way, no, bit in the sense that they dedicated far too few resources to it because leaders didn't, or didn't want to perceive it as a legitimate threat. You can still see this in the mindset of Merkel and, at least in translations, pre- Brussels Rutte's rhetoric.
Freeeeeeedom
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 27 2016 19:45 GMT
#8856
we'll never know how many attacks the authorities in Belgium actually prevented, which makes this whole discussion nonsensical. Obviously Belgium considered terrorism to be a legitimate threat, nonetheless you can't prevent every single terror attack.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
March 27 2016 22:28 GMT
#8857
On March 28 2016 04:42 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 28 2016 04:24 cLutZ wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well I'd argue that anyone declining dutch help regarding waterworks is stupid. Likewise I'm inclined to think that brushing off US counter-terrorism intelligence officials is not the smartest thing either, and from what I'm reading, Belgian police&security isn't the best organized entity..

I think it goes without saying that Belgian Intelligence failed at some point considering the extend of the terrorist network in the country.

Its a legitimate question to ask whether they failed, or willfully ignored the threat.

Are you fucking serious? No they did not willfully ignore a bunch of terrorists planning attacks in their country...

Not in that way, no, bit in the sense that they dedicated far too few resources to it because leaders didn't, or didn't want to perceive it as a legitimate threat. You can still see this in the mindset of Merkel and, at least in translations, pre- Brussels Rutte's rhetoric.

Huh? What exactly did Rutte say about Belgian terrorist threats before Brussels?

+ Show Spoiler +
and just making sure, you know Rutte is the Dutch Prime Minister, not the Belgian one (Charles Michel)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 27 2016 23:10 GMT
#8858
On March 28 2016 07:28 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 04:42 cLutZ wrote:
On March 28 2016 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 28 2016 04:24 cLutZ wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:25 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well I'd argue that anyone declining dutch help regarding waterworks is stupid. Likewise I'm inclined to think that brushing off US counter-terrorism intelligence officials is not the smartest thing either, and from what I'm reading, Belgian police&security isn't the best organized entity..

I think it goes without saying that Belgian Intelligence failed at some point considering the extend of the terrorist network in the country.

Its a legitimate question to ask whether they failed, or willfully ignored the threat.

Are you fucking serious? No they did not willfully ignore a bunch of terrorists planning attacks in their country...

Not in that way, no, bit in the sense that they dedicated far too few resources to it because leaders didn't, or didn't want to perceive it as a legitimate threat. You can still see this in the mindset of Merkel and, at least in translations, pre- Brussels Rutte's rhetoric.

Huh? What exactly did Rutte say about Belgian terrorist threats before Brussels?

+ Show Spoiler +
and just making sure, you know Rutte is the Dutch Prime Minister, not the Belgian one (Charles Michel)


Yes, and I can't find the piece at the moment but post-Paris he was one of the centrist PMs who seemed more concerned with the specter of Islamaphobia at the time. IMO Michel said the right things after Paris, but that is too short of a time period to yield real law enforcement results. The issue is in the buildup, and the general consensus of the EU that seemed to be complacent on this issue, doing things like setting up the photo-op of the drowned child, as opposed to actually dealing with the crisis.
Freeeeeeedom
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 00:09:25
March 28 2016 00:07 GMT
#8859
from the timing of the raids they were sitting on some files without taking action. there's probably some room for being more aggressive and sharing information. speculation of course.

the more unnerving aspect of this is the guy who was a known suspect from the france attack. whether it is resources, experience or bureaucratic obstacles, someone dropped the ball on the immediate and clear lead.

http://time.com/4272149/brussels-attacks-terror-investigation-mistake/
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
March 30 2016 12:27 GMT
#8860
Europe has been subject to nearly a decade of crises. After surviving its worst economic downturn since the Great Depression and the near collapse of its common currency, the region is now engulfed by hundreds of thousands of desperate migrants and refugees from the Middle East and Africa. Undeterred by the risks of death by drowning or suffocation in trucks, the refugees calculate, probably rationally, that the risks of escape are worth it. Many Europeans fear that these refugees are bringing social disruption and imposing fiscal burdens. Such fears, however, are misguided. Immigration into Europe is already an important source of economic growth,3 has at least a neutral impact on government finances,4 often contributes critically to countries’ human capital,5 and together with labor mobility is an important economic shock absorber.6 Maintaining a generally open door toward migrants and its open internal borders is hence critical to the continent’s economic future.

But Europe needs new and permanent migration institutions and the resources to accommodate the influx of refugees
and set up a new border control system throughout the region. These demands pose a challenge for European policymaking as serious as the euro crisis of the last five years. Yet the current situation also offers Europe an opportunity. The refugees and the challenges they present could speed a necessary process of integration and common migration institutionalization in Europe that would be politically impossible in normal times.

This Policy Brief proposes a migration and mobility union, to be implemented gradually, with the goal of comprehensively
reforming European migration policy. The proposed union would establish permanent common sea, land, and air external
border control and harmonize some national rules of asylum and other types of residency at the European level. It would
also establish new “blue” (common) and “red” (national) migration categories and create earmarked European-level funding
mechanisms or instruments to fi nance common external border control and migrant reception.

Funding for Europe’s immigration crisis—a sum that could reach tens of billions of euros—could come from a variety of
options proposed in this Policy Brief. Member states of the proposed union could fund the eff ort through the reallocation
of some existing national fi scal resources, for example. A possible “migration system user fee” could generate income
from administrative immigration levies or broader indirect user fees. In addition, the introduction of migration and mobility
bonds (MMBs), jointly guaranteed by member states and also backed by earmarked levies, would be consistent with Europe’s increasing mutualization of financial responsibilities in times of crisis, as happened during the recent economic downturn and financial emergency.

To read the whole thing DL at:
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