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On March 26 2021 21:34 Sermokala wrote: It's crazy that this is such an issue with how inevitable the problem is. A tiny looking excavator being the only thing they can use due to anything heavier being unable to use the sandy shoreline. They will have to get military grade heavy lift choppers to take the containers off the thing.
Why haven't terrorists done this before? Just ram a container ship into the beach and scuttle the thing.
Chances are they never thought about that specific venue of sabotaging the canal, but there's a few hitches I suppose: all muslim countries who depend on the Suez canal would also suffer greatly, Egypt chief among them. Running a shipping operation just to do this seems very expensive (maybe comandeering the ship would be viable? I dunno, it seems the time between the moment it was discovered and getting the ship in there would be too long, no?). Also, it would involve minimal loss of life, so it might not cause panic.
On March 27 2021 01:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I'd like to think a canal that has over 12% of the world's trade would be better maintained. Dredged, cement banks etc.
They keep making bigger ships. Suez has had ongoing dredging, widening, and other improvements for its entire history.
Still stuck. One wonders after this is sorted out if Egypt will impose size limits to traverse through the canal. The rest? Go around Africa. Relive the voyage of Vasco Da Gama.
On March 26 2021 21:34 Sermokala wrote: It's crazy that this is such an issue with how inevitable the problem is. A tiny looking excavator being the only thing they can use due to anything heavier being unable to use the sandy shoreline. They will have to get military grade heavy lift choppers to take the containers off the thing.
Why haven't terrorists done this before? Just ram a container ship into the beach and scuttle the thing.
Terrorists don't aim to create direct economic problems for their targets. No matter what a terrorist do, they cannot cause any real harm to a functional nation state. They aim to create emotional resonance and a reaction due to that emotion. Considering that this is potentially as economically disastrous as coronavirus, there is comparatively hardly any media attention on this.
It would be a very foolhardy terrorist organisation that purposefully block the Suez canal. They gain nothing much, and manage to annoy everybody that depends on the Suez Canal. So Egypt, Saudi Arabia, most of Europe, but also countries most "terrorists" wouldn't want to annoy like China, South Korea, Japan, India, who might be looking for a reason to use their recently acquired power projection.
Strange question to ask since I wrote that they don't.
Which ones do?
As for why, I think it is self explanatory why terrorist groups don't want military attention being applied to them, unless their explicit aim is for those specific countries to overreact and overreach.
Are you sure about that? ISIS for instance basically ignores China's treatment of the Uighurs. Same situation with India. ISIS seem incapable of or has little interest in recruiting from China or India. ISIS is very muich diminished now. It's up to you to show that ISIS has interest in annoying these countries. I cannot prove a negative.
You however can provide some evidence for your claims. Show that China is like one of the countries ISIS hates the most? How and why India is also probably top 5on their hit list and so on.
Either way, if ISIS somehow obtained a large container ship (it's not like buying and operating a car, there are only so many large ships in the world and they cost millions of dollars and require a team of trained people to operate) and somehow blocked the Suez canal with it, there is a lack of media attention for the risk. They gain little attention and gain new enemies. They can encourage and plan any number of things. There is no need for them to plan something so ineffective for their needs, even if it would be economically damaging.
damaging the suez canal would do a lot of damage to Egypts economy, prestige, and the peoples general confidence in the national government. The muslum brotherhood democratically took power before the military coup and it wouldn't take that long until people lost confidence in the military government and wanted democracy again, that they would then use to have a nation in their debt.
JimmiC I never said "terrorists" only hate western countries. You seem to think I am making some sort of morale judgement since those countries are not what we think of as normally as the targets of what is normally thought of as "terrorists". I am not. It is simply the observation of their actions and their motivations of their actions of rather the lack of it.
You asked which terrorists don't want to annoy those countries. I would take that the lack of action as enough proof, you appear to want something more, whilst not apply that same standard to yourself.
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