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Context and semantics are the stuff of expressive meaning, and hiding behind plausible inquiry is a tried and true method of apologism. Pretending otherwise as though some kind of sterile, vacuumed debate on deciding what is true about Hitler can be had *without* bringing along all of that baggage is silly, or at the very least should not be condoned without heavy anterior qualification.
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On July 22 2020 00:11 xM(Z wrote:
it was an argument on context and semantics and you dudes flipped the fuck out with the implications.
sad.
It was wrong. Hitler was famously racist.
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On July 21 2020 23:55 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2020 20:39 Broetchenholer wrote:On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:On July 21 2020 16:31 Broetchenholer wrote:
What are you even talking about? Auschwitz is not rooted in western society. You did it again, throwing something in a conversation it has nothing to do with. There have been zero repeats of Auschwitz since it has happened. Not in western culture nor in any other. It is, to this day, the one worst thing our species has done and it has zero to do with cultural imperialism. So stop it.
On the rest, yeah, of course you would cling to the anecdote. That France has been trying harder then other countries to enshrine their past culture and resist outside influence is well known, at least compared to Germany. We did not have quotas for German songs in the radio for example. This however, is like trying to turn back time. So you also want to go back to the time, where everybody listens to classical music? Which arbitrary time in the past do you want to mimic?
And just to get this straight, I have absolutely no beef with the French, my encounters with a few of them were unpleasant and showed a pattern but were way too few to generalize from it. I just believe that sentences like the French culture is absorbed is fucking stupid. It's like saying my air is being polluted, as if your air was somehow seperate from the rest of the air and had special qualities to it. And it's also implying that your air is more precious then the rest and you get to decide who gets to change that air and who does not. Zero repeat ? Then why the numerous comparaisons with the gulags or the ouighour camps ? You just invented totalitarism bs to separate from it, the "worst" of our specie doesn't come from nowhere, it has a cultural and political legacy. Because these comparisons are wrong. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
For god sake, the cold rationality of this factory of death is a creation of a racial capitalism ideology which can only come from protestant countries who are dominating the West with a burning hatred for everything that is not you just like when you gloat when you assert western cultural dominance.
Nazi Germany was not protestant. Gulags and Uighur detention center also do not center around Protestantism. France is not protestant, how does that factor in your western cultural dominance? Do you actually believe that France is a victim of western cultural dominance because it is not protestant? Or do you believe that France is part of the Western European dominance exported into the world? Hatred is not bound to religion. Each religion in the world has create massacres when they had the chance, so have atheist communities. This is not a western European, or German or protestant or Christian issue. It's a human issue. If you are ranting against western European/American culture being evil and culminating in Auschwitz and racial capitalism and then claim that France is a victim of that culture, then you are claiming that France has not contributed to racial capitalism, cannot be responsible for it and is different or better than the rest. I don’t know how else to read this. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
I want to mimic a time when we don't build aceptised temple to the glory of consumerism like Disneyland Paris neither watch propaganda from Hollywood or the mind-numbing reality shows. And even better, I would freaking love to go back to the time when social struggle was priveleged rather than the identitary/racial wars proposed by the western media and intelligentia which is matrice of racism and hatred between people who have interests to be united. In the end, indeed I cherish the times when people were struggling to conquest social rights rather than struggling to maintain them, the left is necessary conservative now as the new trend is the destruction of what has been accomplished.
Your air is poisonous then, and don't transform my words : I never said my culture was the best, I say it is way better than current western's one just like any others, I don't do comparaison with Russian, persan's ones or any others. Your post, for me, is so over the place, it’s really hard to even try to understand what you stand for. For example, now you say you want people to be united and racism and hatred to be a problem. But you want to be so little united, that “your culture” is not being changed. Do you not recognize, that allowing social currents from outside of your community to merge with your own culture creates more united people, less racism, less hatred? You have the option to go to Disneyworld or read a fine book of French classicism. Nobody forces you to eat McDonalds and listen to Kanye West. And if in 50 years some aspect of culture you consider French is not practiced anymore, people did not need it as much as you thought. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
Your air is poisonous then, and don't transform my words : I never said my culture was the best, I say it is way better than current western's one just like any others, I don't do comparaison with Russian, persan's ones or any others.
Oh, okay, just better than “western” culture. So you dislike the spreading of inferior culture to your place. You don’t think France is part of Western Culture, which is Auschwitz, but other cultures you cannot name are on the same level as yours. That makes perfect sense. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
Edit : contrary to what you seem to think, my love for my country is rather motivated by a sense of duty rather than egocentric pride and some fetish of the past as I see it at the only source of social rights and real power of the people. (I don't like the term democracy, it is just expired nowadays) Help me here. Duty to the country is the only source of social rights and real power of the people? I might be wrong, it’s really hard for me to read that. I help you there, the nation is the basis of social rights, sorry if you don't understand the liberal philantropists and ngo are not. France is indeed not a protestant country who created entairtainent industry so it is not at the origin a western country like it is now, sorry if you understand it, its social core was not identity wars. You seem to think the West is a monolith who never changed. Entertainement industry is diffused from all medias by the great superpower of the world, sorry again if you don't undertand it, it is not a choice but an alienation, I bet even some german philosophers spoke about it in 60s... Liberal western socities are based on identity wars by the prism of various communities, this is sort of a racial, religious war totally instrumentalyzed in order to prevent both social struggle and the state to be too powerful, I don't think my point is this hard to understand either.
I have tried understanding what your point is, and i have several times said, what parts of your post i interpret in what way. As far as i am interpreting you, you are unhappy with the US passively influencing your countries culture in a way you don't like. And you believe that everyones culture except four yours, Irans and Russias, will result in Auschwitz. And the reason for that is protestantism. Even though the french have shown many times that when in a position of power, they are more then capable of murdering people for monetary gain themselves, up to the second half of the last century.
So, dislike american society and influence if you want, but if you are then conflating it into a crazy protestant imperialist Auschwitz against France, i call bullshit on you. And maybe also accept that people read your position as highly nationalist, because your assumption on what differentiates between good culture and bad culture seems to come down to: is it French or not.
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On July 22 2020 00:11 xM(Z wrote:
it was an argument on context and semantics and you dudes flipped the fuck out with the implications.
sad.
It wasn't really an argument, more the stream of Moltkes thoughts on 10 different topics. I really hope that in whatever language he writes his thesis he can express his thoughts and findings more precise.
"Hitler wasn't racist, here's a quote" *mic drop* derailed everything even more. No implications there, it's pretty explicit.
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On July 22 2020 00:11 xM(Z wrote:
it was an argument on context and semantics and you dudes flipped the fuck out with the implications.
sad.
If I post a highly controversial statement like his, I put up a disclaimer to make very sure I am not misunderstood. I also don't post in the next sentence how Asian woman just want money and Germany should give Canadians citizenship over Iraqis.
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On July 22 2020 00:16 farvacola wrote:
Context and semantics are the stuff of expressive meaning, and hiding behind plausible inquiry is a tried and true method of apologism. Pretending otherwise as though some kind of sterile, vacuumed debate on deciding what is true about Hitler can be had *without* bringing along all of that baggage is silly, or at the very least should not be condoned without heavy anterior qualification. he said he read Hitlers' bio ...; i'll give you that some form of stockholm syndrome was present in his arguments, but it looked misguided rather than malicious.
i didn't get the vibe he wants to continue Hitlers' work or some fucked up shit like that; some attachment, infatuation, compartmentalization+ Show Spoiler +(...mental discomfort and anxiety caused by a person's having conflicting values, cognitions, emotions, beliefs, etc. within themselves)
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On July 22 2020 00:11 xM(Z wrote:
it was an argument on context and semantics and you dudes flipped the fuck out with the implications.
sad.
Well, the argument started with moltke out of the blue deciding the discussion about culture needed him to claim that most nazis weren't racist. And then doubling down by saying Hitler wasn't a racist. If he wanted to discuss the semantics of race, he could have started saying "racism is an empty term, because humans cannot biologically be divided into races" and we would have shrugged, ignored his semantic nitpicking and moved on. Instead he decided to torpedo the discussion with that. How is it anybody's fault but moltke's?
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The stuff about how "chinese" are, "americans" are and "others" are also didn't help.
Alltogether it felt like his toughts were also kinda everywhere and never would focus on an actual point?
But this is like the 4th time this week from diffrent sources that i heard the: it's not facist, it's authoritan... It's not racist, it's nationalist. It's not despotic, its the greater good.....
Some weird shit is brewing up.
Btw: Can't we by DNA pinpoint accuratly what "race" someone is? This race isn't real argument with the reasoning that there are no diffrences seems really weird to me.
It comes from a place i can understand and support... But it just seems to not really be based on the science?
I'm not talking about IQ diffrences, i don't believe these are due to genetics (and even if too small to matter).
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On July 22 2020 00:39 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2020 00:11 xM(Z wrote:
it was an argument on context and semantics and you dudes flipped the fuck out with the implications.
sad. If I post a highly controversial statement like his, I put up a disclaimer to make very sure I am not misunderstood. I also don't post in the next sentence how Asian woman just want money and Germany should give Canadians citizenship over Iraqis. my overall point: (even if it was true on a theoretical level(practically it was obviously not true) that he was <all that and then some>, what did you achieved with the ban?.
aren't you pro-rehabilitation rather than pro-punishment?(as a general ideology/concept).
@Acrofales: context and semantics(im not going further here because ... yea).
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On July 22 2020 00:59 Velr wrote:
The stuff about how "chinese" are, "americans" are and "others" are also didn't help.
Alltogether it felt like his toughts were also kinda everywhere and never would focus on an actual point?
But this is like the 4th time this week from diffrent sources that i heard the: it's not facist, it's authoritan... It's not racist, it's nationalist. It's not despotic, its the greater good.....
Some weird shit is brewing up.
Btw: Can't we by DNA pinpoint accuratly what "race" someone is? This race isn't real argument with the reasoning that there are no diffrences seems really weird to me.
It comes from a place i can understand and support... But it just seems to not really be based on the science?
I'm not talking about IQ diffrences, i don't believe these are due to genetics (and even if too small to matter). for that, i think you have to go to - different people came from different great apes.
else i don't know, history seems to repeat itself: YEY!, this new wave came from Africa, and they're our ancestors ... hmm, because they wiped out the natives...?(colonists vs native-americans all over again).
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On July 22 2020 01:15 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2020 00:59 Velr wrote:
The stuff about how "chinese" are, "americans" are and "others" are also didn't help.
Alltogether it felt like his toughts were also kinda everywhere and never would focus on an actual point?
But this is like the 4th time this week from diffrent sources that i heard the: it's not facist, it's authoritan... It's not racist, it's nationalist. It's not despotic, its the greater good.....
Some weird shit is brewing up.
Btw: Can't we by DNA pinpoint accuratly what "race" someone is? This race isn't real argument with the reasoning that there are no diffrences seems really weird to me.
It comes from a place i can understand and support... But it just seems to not really be based on the science?
I'm not talking about IQ diffrences, i don't believe these are due to genetics (and even if too small to matter). for that, i think you have to go to - different people came from different great apes.
All hominids are descended from the same great apes.
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On July 22 2020 01:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2020 01:15 xM(Z wrote:On July 22 2020 00:59 Velr wrote:
The stuff about how "chinese" are, "americans" are and "others" are also didn't help.
Alltogether it felt like his toughts were also kinda everywhere and never would focus on an actual point?
But this is like the 4th time this week from diffrent sources that i heard the: it's not facist, it's authoritan... It's not racist, it's nationalist. It's not despotic, its the greater good.....
Some weird shit is brewing up.
Btw: Can't we by DNA pinpoint accuratly what "race" someone is? This race isn't real argument with the reasoning that there are no diffrences seems really weird to me.
It comes from a place i can understand and support... But it just seems to not really be based on the science?
I'm not talking about IQ diffrences, i don't believe these are due to genetics (and even if too small to matter). for that, i think you have to go to - different people came from different great apes. All hominids are descended from the same great apes.
Actually that isn't known. It's entirely possible there are various different species of great apes that mixed at various different points in history. For instance, we know Homo Sapiens and Homo Neanderthalensis interbred. There is no reason to assume that some earlier hominids didn't also... and the distinction between early hominids and "great apes" is a few million years, so plenty of time for everybody to fuck around!
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If we would be descendant from diffrent great/ancestor apes, this wouldn't even be an argument, there would be big diffrences in the DNA, not the small ones we got.
If we mixed for millenia long it also doesn't matter anymore.
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On July 22 2020 01:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2020 01:17 KwarK wrote:On July 22 2020 01:15 xM(Z wrote:On July 22 2020 00:59 Velr wrote:
The stuff about how "chinese" are, "americans" are and "others" are also didn't help.
Alltogether it felt like his toughts were also kinda everywhere and never would focus on an actual point?
But this is like the 4th time this week from diffrent sources that i heard the: it's not facist, it's authoritan... It's not racist, it's nationalist. It's not despotic, its the greater good.....
Some weird shit is brewing up.
Btw: Can't we by DNA pinpoint accuratly what "race" someone is? This race isn't real argument with the reasoning that there are no diffrences seems really weird to me.
It comes from a place i can understand and support... But it just seems to not really be based on the science?
I'm not talking about IQ diffrences, i don't believe these are due to genetics (and even if too small to matter). for that, i think you have to go to - different people came from different great apes. All hominids are descended from the same great apes. Actually that isn't known. It's entirely possible there are various different species of great apes that mixed at various different points in history. For instance, we know Homo Sapiens and Homo Neanderthalensis interbred. There is no reason to assume that some earlier hominids didn't also... and the distinction between early hominids and "great apes" is a few million years, so plenty of time for everybody to fuck around!
Oh, and just to be clear, it doesn't really matter. It's clear that all the hominids and great apes that mixed dna into the line that eventually became homo sapiens are sufficiently mixed that we can't tell the difference. Even figuring out what percentage of our heritage is neanderthal is extremely difficult and that's only a few tens of thousands of years back.
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On July 21 2020 21:14 MoltkeWarding wrote:
In my experience, it goes a bit further. I have never seen a romantic relationship between an East Asian and a Caucasian work out in the long run. I am not denying that it happens in some circumstances, but never in my life, and I have seen many of them take place. There are also some other facets, like in my childhood, most Chinese men smoked. I have never seen an Asian woman smoke at all, etc.
This is plain bullshit. Just from my experience as a full caucasian :
- My father-in-law is a pure french (basque) and has been happily married for 35years to a half-Chinese, half-Thai that barely speaks French or English. They have lived 20years in Saudi Arabia and is now spending his retirement in Thailand.
- My wife is (obviously) half-french/thai (well, 25%Thai 25%Chinese technically, but Thai culture), has lived 20years in SA, and the rest part in Thailand, part in France. She has mostly thai culture, a little bit european. It is going fine.
- My best friend (girl, pure caucasian) has been for 6 years with a Chinese-born guy, it is going fine.
- Her twin and second best friend for me has been going out for 6 years also to a Korean-born guy. Both couples are scheduled to marry in the next couple years.
I've seen plenty eastern asian ladies smoke, be it here, in China when I went there in 2008, or in Thailand. It's just that they don't do it in the open for reasons.
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On July 22 2020 01:00 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2020 00:39 Broetchenholer wrote:On July 22 2020 00:11 xM(Z wrote:
it was an argument on context and semantics and you dudes flipped the fuck out with the implications.
sad. If I post a highly controversial statement like his, I put up a disclaimer to make very sure I am not misunderstood. I also don't post in the next sentence how Asian woman just want money and Germany should give Canadians citizenship over Iraqis. my overall point: (even if it was true on a theoretical level(practically it was obviously not true) that he was <all that and then some>, what did you achieved with the ban?. aren't you pro-rehabilitation rather than pro-punishment?(as a general ideology/concept). @Acrofales: context and semantics(im not going further here because ... yea).
Yes i am. But i also believe that some ideologies are based on concepts, that don't warrant tolerance. Bein right leaning is not a crime, actively denying the holocaust in germany is. Not saying that he denied the holocaust, but giving the posts on the last 3 pages i can see all of them being somehow about race negatively impacting him. If that person is actively studying Hitler and the Third Reich and doesn't take away that dividing people along race lines is bad, then this is a problem. Now, i did not ban him, but if i don't see him as viable source of opinion, why would i care if he is allowed to post here at all. He can be rehabilitated of course, but for that he first would have to change his attitude. Rehabilitation without change is kinda pointless.
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The distinction between xenophobia/nationalism and racism can be interesting and I do believe racism should be applied specifically, but that can't be used to absolve Hitler of racism (let's ignore that I can't see why you would want to be doing that in the first place). The nazis specifically looked at the american model for inspiration, which places them undeniably on the side of racism rather than xenophobia. You can also check out the history of scientific racism. There is a very distinct lineage here.
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On July 22 2020 00:26 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2020 23:55 stilt wrote:On July 21 2020 20:39 Broetchenholer wrote:On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:On July 21 2020 16:31 Broetchenholer wrote:
What are you even talking about? Auschwitz is not rooted in western society. You did it again, throwing something in a conversation it has nothing to do with. There have been zero repeats of Auschwitz since it has happened. Not in western culture nor in any other. It is, to this day, the one worst thing our species has done and it has zero to do with cultural imperialism. So stop it.
On the rest, yeah, of course you would cling to the anecdote. That France has been trying harder then other countries to enshrine their past culture and resist outside influence is well known, at least compared to Germany. We did not have quotas for German songs in the radio for example. This however, is like trying to turn back time. So you also want to go back to the time, where everybody listens to classical music? Which arbitrary time in the past do you want to mimic?
And just to get this straight, I have absolutely no beef with the French, my encounters with a few of them were unpleasant and showed a pattern but were way too few to generalize from it. I just believe that sentences like the French culture is absorbed is fucking stupid. It's like saying my air is being polluted, as if your air was somehow seperate from the rest of the air and had special qualities to it. And it's also implying that your air is more precious then the rest and you get to decide who gets to change that air and who does not. Zero repeat ? Then why the numerous comparaisons with the gulags or the ouighour camps ? You just invented totalitarism bs to separate from it, the "worst" of our specie doesn't come from nowhere, it has a cultural and political legacy. You conveniently dismiss my points on middle east us policies x) Because these comparisons are wrong. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
For god sake, the cold rationality of this factory of death is a creation of a racial capitalism ideology which can only come from protestant countries who are dominating the West with a burning hatred for everything that is not you just like when you gloat when you assert western cultural dominance.
Nazi Germany was not protestant. Gulags and Uighur detention center also do not center around Protestantism. France is not protestant, how does that factor in your western cultural dominance? Do you actually believe that France is a victim of western cultural dominance because it is not protestant? Or do you believe that France is part of the Western European dominance exported into the world? Hatred is not bound to religion. Each religion in the world has create massacres when they had the chance, so have atheist communities. This is not a western European, or German or protestant or Christian issue. It's a human issue. If you are ranting against western European/American culture being evil and culminating in Auschwitz and racial capitalism and then claim that France is a victim of that culture, then you are claiming that France has not contributed to racial capitalism, cannot be responsible for it and is different or better than the rest. I don’t know how else to read this. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
I want to mimic a time when we don't build aceptised temple to the glory of consumerism like Disneyland Paris neither watch propaganda from Hollywood or the mind-numbing reality shows. And even better, I would freaking love to go back to the time when social struggle was priveleged rather than the identitary/racial wars proposed by the western media and intelligentia which is matrice of racism and hatred between people who have interests to be united. In the end, indeed I cherish the times when people were struggling to conquest social rights rather than struggling to maintain them, the left is necessary conservative now as the new trend is the destruction of what has been accomplished.
Your air is poisonous then, and don't transform my words : I never said my culture was the best, I say it is way better than current western's one just like any others, I don't do comparaison with Russian, persan's ones or any others. Your post, for me, is so over the place, it’s really hard to even try to understand what you stand for. For example, now you say you want people to be united and racism and hatred to be a problem. But you want to be so little united, that “your culture” is not being changed. Do you not recognize, that allowing social currents from outside of your community to merge with your own culture creates more united people, less racism, less hatred? You have the option to go to Disneyworld or read a fine book of French classicism. Nobody forces you to eat McDonalds and listen to Kanye West. And if in 50 years some aspect of culture you consider French is not practiced anymore, people did not need it as much as you thought. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
Your air is poisonous then, and don't transform my words : I never said my culture was the best, I say it is way better than current western's one just like any others, I don't do comparaison with Russian, persan's ones or any others.
Oh, okay, just better than “western” culture. So you dislike the spreading of inferior culture to your place. You don’t think France is part of Western Culture, which is Auschwitz, but other cultures you cannot name are on the same level as yours. That makes perfect sense. On July 21 2020 17:48 stilt wrote:
Edit : contrary to what you seem to think, my love for my country is rather motivated by a sense of duty rather than egocentric pride and some fetish of the past as I see it at the only source of social rights and real power of the people. (I don't like the term democracy, it is just expired nowadays) Help me here. Duty to the country is the only source of social rights and real power of the people? I might be wrong, it’s really hard for me to read that. I help you there, the nation is the basis of social rights, sorry if you don't understand the liberal philantropists and ngo are not. France is indeed not a protestant country who created entairtainent industry so it is not at the origin a western country like it is now, sorry if you understand it, its social core was not identity wars. You seem to think the West is a monolith who never changed. Entertainement industry is diffused from all medias by the great superpower of the world, sorry again if you don't undertand it, it is not a choice but an alienation, I bet even some german philosophers spoke about it in 60s... Liberal western socities are based on identity wars by the prism of various communities, this is sort of a racial, religious war totally instrumentalyzed in order to prevent both social struggle and the state to be too powerful, I don't think my point is this hard to understand either. I have tried understanding what your point is, and i have several times said, what parts of your post i interpret in what way. As far as i am interpreting you, you are unhappy with the US passively influencing your countries culture in a way you don't like. And you believe that everyones culture except four yours, Irans and Russias, will result in Auschwitz. And the reason for that is protestantism. Even though the french have shown many times that when in a position of power, they are more then capable of murdering people for monetary gain themselves, up to the second half of the last century. So, dislike american society and influence if you want, but if you are then conflating it into a crazy protestant imperialist Auschwitz against France, i call bullshit on you. And maybe also accept that people read your position as highly nationalist, because your assumption on what differentiates between good culture and bad culture seems to come down to: is it French or not.
You have very serious reading comprehension difficulties indeed.
I only say western culture is bad, unless you don't know there are other cultures that the ones I illustrate (indians, arabs, africans ones, in short every others, I really must give you an exhaustive list for you to get it ?) giving your pro western stance, I guess it is the case as nothing exists (or is legitimate) outside your political bubble, that's my main point actually, no need to add more to this as it leads to nowhere.
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On July 21 2020 22:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2020 22:17 MoltkeWarding wrote:On July 21 2020 22:13 JimmiC wrote:On July 21 2020 22:07 MoltkeWarding wrote:On July 21 2020 22:04 Acrofales wrote:On July 21 2020 21:57 MoltkeWarding wrote:On July 21 2020 21:42 Broetchenholer wrote:
Why am i constantly triggered today? Could you elaborate why not many Nazis were racist, an ideology that believes them to be superior to everyone not of their heritage?
And secondly, the thing with modern Germany is that it is trying not to be racist, not pretending to not be racist. I don't know why you are comparing your situation as a (i assume) working canadian expat in germany with a refugee from Syria or Iraq, but you do you.
Edit: And then you keep posting and every post is triggering me again. I am now going to watch Critical Role in the hopes it restores the balance.
Some of them were, but probably not as many as in the United States back then. Germany had no colonies, and there was very little immigration back then. Some Nazis had racial views, like Himmler. Hitler himself did not. Here is one of Hitler's "talks." Pride in one’s race – and that does not imply contempt for other races – is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their history is superior to our own.
They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them. I just said I shoulnd't reply to you but I cant help myself. You are saying, with a straight face, that Hitler wasn't a racist? Like... in what alternate reality do you live? First of all you have to define what you mean by race, but yes, I just said that Hitler was not "racist," in the common Anglo-American usage of that word. He at one point even said that the Jews are not really a race. Hitler was just one of the commonly misunderstood and vilified figures in history, like so many people just demonise Osama Bin Laden. Both terribly understood people. You can understand what another person is saying, even if you do not agree with it. Many people it seems today have this odd "You vs. Me" mentality. Your version of history and the actual version of history are very different. Hitler not being a racist has to be one of the least accurate hot takes ever issued. I mean he always talks about inferior genetics. What did you think this meant? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_black_people_in_Nazi_Germany The ideology was called National Socialism. Hitler was a Nationalist, not a Racist. He was obviously opposed to half-lings being born for other reasons. I have read many Hitler biographies. So I do know him quite well. I am doing my "Promotion" in history at a German university now. Wait. Weren't you getting your doctorate in gender studies the last time we spoke?
Figured it out. I have no idea why I was mixing up moltke and thieving magpie, and to be fair, thieving magpie probably also wasnt getting his doctorate in gender studies. I think he probably does have a phd, but doubt it's actually in gender studies.
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I saw the thread hauling ass and I figured I should pop in and see what kind of opinions people had on arguably the biggest economical and political package the EU has ever passed (after a marathon session of intense negotiations). Given the polarising opinions on it I figured that could have taken a bit to chew through.
Instead the discussion have been several pages about semantics and one of the truly ancient TL posters is now apparently permabanned.
I'm just summarising this for context and an outside perspective so feel free to carry on.
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