EPTSettle this Fight Debate - Page 14
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Chobo_Abe
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himurakenshin
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oneofthem
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KwarK
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On November 27 2006 06:54 Chobo_Abe wrote: knife > bat. Why? because person w/knife can block the bat w/his other arm while the other dude is going to have to take a knife thrust. Knife has one big advantage, one hit one kill. Bat are blunt, you can break a bone but it won't go through. Can you block a knife w/your arm? w/o reeling in pain!? Can you hold the knife while trying to swing your bat? And you must have some slow reaction if you see his bat coming at you and not dodge it I mean, he has to swing that damn thing all you have to do is just thrust your knife or cut his throat. It's fairly hard to kill a guy with a knife that size. You're talking neck or heart, hard to hit places. And to get that close you're going to have to take a blow from the bat on your arm (if you're lucky) and still be fit to aim. I'd say having your arm broken would distract you somewhat. The knife guy always gets hit first with equal skill, so it comes down to how he reacts to being hit with a bat. I think he'd flinch when the bone cracked. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 27 2006 07:32 Kwark wrote: It's fairly hard to kill a guy with a knife that size. You're talking neck or heart, hard to hit places. And to get that close you're going to have to take a blow from the bat on your arm (if you're lucky) and still be fit to aim. I'd say having your arm broken would distract you somewhat. The knife guy always gets hit first with equal skill, so it comes down to how he reacts to being hit with a bat. I think he'd flinch when the bone cracked. And of course you wouldnt flinch after being stabbed in the stomach... | ||
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NewbSaibot
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On November 27 2006 20:17 fusionsdf wrote: You cant stab someone in the stomach when you cant get within 5 feet of them.And of course you wouldnt flinch after being stabbed in the stomach... | ||
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oneofthem
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 27 2006 20:31 NewbSaibot wrote: You cant stab someone in the stomach when you cant get within 5 feet of them. fuck. You better go tell all the murderers in jail that they should have just used a bat instead. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On November 27 2006 20:31 NewbSaibot wrote: You cant stab someone in the stomach when you cant get within 5 feet of them. I didn't know knife's can reach 5 ft. Seriously, the bat does have the range advantage and it's not the terrible, clumsy weapon that people think it is. In the hands of an experienced fighter in a wide open space, it's actually quite a devastating and a very lethal weapon. As I have said before, the knife is still far more practical since it is far, far, far less conspicuous and also substantially easier to carry. On top of that, if the enemy does not know your location or intent, it is easier to make a move quietly and suddenly. In that sense, the knife is preferred. As for just on an open field in broad daylight, give me the bat. You won't get close enough to stab, and the knife shown is not suitable as a throwing weapon (if it were, that would yet again change things). | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 27 2006 21:27 Mortality wrote: I didn't know knife's can reach 5 ft. Seriously, the bat does have the range advantage and it's not the terrible, clumsy weapon that people think it is. In the hands of an experienced fighter in a wide open space, it's actually quite a devastating and a very lethal weapon. As I have said before, the knife is still far more practical since it is far, far, far less conspicuous and also substantially easier to carry. On top of that, if the enemy does not know your location or intent, it is easier to make a move quietly and suddenly. In that sense, the knife is preferred. As for just on an open field in broad daylight, give me the bat. You won't get close enough to stab, and the knife shown is not suitable as a throwing weapon (if it were, that would yet again change things). Because we all know how many bat-wielders are in jail for murders. If bats were more effective, they would be used. Also the range of the bat is insufficient, and the swing too slow. | ||
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
On November 27 2006 06:54 Chobo_Abe wrote: knife > bat. Why? because person w/knife can block the bat w/his other arm while the other dude is going to have to take a knife thrust. Knife has one big advantage, one hit one kill. Bat are blunt, you can break a bone but it won't go through. Can you block a knife w/your arm? w/o reeling in pain!? Can you hold the knife while trying to swing your bat? And you must have some slow reaction if you see his bat coming at you and not dodge it I mean, he has to swing that damn thing all you have to do is just thrust your knife or cut his throat. so you're saying a knife wound to the arm would cause more reeling in pain than a fully swung bat to the arm breaking your bone? bias much? | ||
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Knickknack
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a-I)rei
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NewbSaibot
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On November 27 2006 21:31 fusionsdf wrote: Ak-47's are more effective than knives. Rocket Propelled Grenade launchers are more effective than knives. Gee, why dont people use these to mug victims on the street? Oh yea thats right, because theyre fuckin inconcealable. Unless you intend to hide a baseball bat up your sleeve the same thing applies. We arent debating what is the most effective weapon for murdering people without their knowledge. We are debating that if given the choice of two weapons, against an armed opponent, where the both of you are engaged in open combat, which of the 2 is the most effective? And the simple answer is a bat, because it prevents the attacker from getting close enough to strike, and can deal unruly levels of damage incapacitating his attacks before ever reaching you. Because we all know how many bat-wielders are in jail for murders. If bats were more effective, they would be used. Also the range of the bat is insufficient, and the swing too slow. As for that video, it's just as unrealistic as it tries to present knife disarmament techniques. Nobody walks head first towards a cop in plain view and then suddenly rushes him with a knife, that is just psychopathic randomness. And if someone is going to just randomly stab you on the streets unprovoked and without indication, there isnt shit you can do about it anyway! They also fail to take into account reflex action. Your body is going to instinctively and reflexively pull your arms up for cover, crouch, curl up into a ball, anything besides just stand there and have your head chopped off, especially once the first cut makes contact, much like putting your hand on a hot burner, youre going to fuckin move in a panic. Youre probably still fucked if someone just bursts into a murderous stabbing spree, but with a gun you can probably take the 5-10 random uncoordinated slashes and jabs to the arm and gut until you get your piece out and start shooting back indiscriminately. A bullet doesnt just go in and out like in a movie. One shot anywhere on the body and a softball size amount of flesh is going to get destroyed on the inside, most likely disabling the stabber, whereas you probably manage to come out with the various slice wounds on your body. Im glad they show the importance of keeping distance and range against your opponent though, so that they cant get close enough to stab you. | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
A bat hit may break any bone, has higher range. Why do I bother thinking of something so trivial? Is it because people were wondering why they allow bats on airplanes, but not butterfly knives? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 28 2006 09:58 NewbSaibot wrote: Ak-47's are more effective than knives. Rocket Propelled Grenade launchers are more effective than knives. Gee, why dont people use these to mug victims on the street? Oh yea thats right, because theyre fuckin inconcealable. Unless you intend to hide a baseball bat up your sleeve the same thing applies. We arent debating what is the most effective weapon for murdering people without their knowledge. We are debating that if given the choice of two weapons, against an armed opponent, where the both of you are engaged in open combat, which of the 2 is the most effective? And the simple answer is a bat, because it prevents the attacker from getting close enough to strike, and can deal unruly levels of damage incapacitating his attacks before ever reaching you. As for that video, it's just as unrealistic as it tries to present knife disarmament techniques. Nobody walks head first towards a cop in plain view and then suddenly rushes him with a knife, that is just psychopathic randomness. And if someone is going to just randomly stab you on the streets unprovoked and without indication, there isnt shit you can do about it anyway! They also fail to take into account reflex action. Your body is going to instinctively and reflexively pull your arms up for cover, crouch, curl up into a ball, anything besides just stand there and have your head chopped off, especially once the first cut makes contact, much like putting your hand on a hot burner, youre going to fuckin move in a panic. Youre probably still fucked if someone just bursts into a murderous stabbing spree, but with a gun you can probably take the 5-10 random uncoordinated slashes and jabs to the arm and gut until you get your piece out and start shooting back indiscriminately. A bullet doesnt just go in and out like in a movie. One shot anywhere on the body and a softball size amount of flesh is going to get destroyed on the inside, most likely disabling the stabber, whereas you probably manage to come out with the various slice wounds on your body. Im glad they show the importance of keeping distance and range against your opponent though, so that they cant get close enough to stab you. What a shitty analogy. People dont use ak-47s and RPGs because they are hard to get. Shotguns are used. Rifles are sometimes used. Handguns and knives are most often used. How often are bats fucking used? I mean, all you have to do is grab a piece of wood, metal or anything relatively light and hard and you now have a bat. Its the most obtainable fucking weapon on the planet and still no one uses it. The whole concealment arguement is bullshit anyways, and shows that you watch far too many movies. Most murders are unplanned and people dont walk around like fucking crack-squads of ninjas like some shitty knock off martial arts movie. Concealment matters, but in most cases, you are just going to grab the most dangerous thing you can get your hands on. If you grab a bat instead of a knife, you deserve to be darwin'ed . And if someone is going to just randomly stab you on the streets unprovoked and without indication, there isnt shit you can do about it anyway! They also fail to take into account reflex action. Your body is going to instinctively and reflexively pull your arms up for cover, crouch, curl up into a ball, anything besides just stand there and have your head chopped off, especially once the first cut makes contact, much like putting your hand on a hot burner, youre going to fuckin move in a panic. dont troll so hard. I doubt even you would make such a ridiculous arguement with a straight face. Knives are easy as fuck to dodge huh? we just react automatically. But Im supposed to be afraid of a fucking bat? Go watch the video again and stop trolling. If motherfucking cops with specific knife defense training cant do shit against a knife wielder 12 feet away, why do you think you would be all of a sudden invincible waving a bat as fast as you can ( have fun )? Fuck. You might as well just yell at him really loud and hope he runs off. Next just throw your shoe at him okay? If anyone can react fast enough to make that whole video pointless, then they will react more effectively to a bat. If you think that the video was unrealistic, replace that knife with a bat. Do you still think the batwielder would knock out some cops before getting 9mm to the face? Youre probably still fucked if someone just bursts into a murderous stabbing spree, but with a gun you can probably take the 5-10 random uncoordinated slashes and jabs to the arm and gut until you get your piece out and start shooting back indiscriminately. A bullet doesnt just go in and out like in a movie. One shot anywhere on the body and a softball size amount of flesh is going to get destroyed on the inside, most likely disabling the stabber, whereas you probably manage to come out with the various slice wounds on your body. what the hell is wrong with you? You go off on a tangent about guns not being like hollywood, but still cling to your hollywood notion of knives? You really think you could shrug off even one slash? You amaze me beyond all words. IHBT.IHL.IWHAND. | ||
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NewbSaibot
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What a shitty analogy. People dont use ak-47s and RPGs because they are hard to get. Just because a bat is easy to acquire does not mean it makes any sense to use one to mug someone. Again, why the fuck have you strayed off into this tangent about mugging people when we are talking about a competitive fight? Of course a bat is not all that often used in a mugging because anyone who sees someone walking down the street at night with a baseball bat in their hand is probably gonna walk the other way dipshit. A knife is choice because it is CONCEALABLE. Read again, CONCEALABLE. This is what makes for an effective crime, not the ease of obtainability. Criminals would use a pistol every single time if it were easier to obtain. If knives were impossible to obtain then yes, mother fuckers would use bats, 2x4's with a nail, a stick on the side of the road, their bare hands, whatever they could. Shotguns are used. Rifles are sometimes used. Handguns and knives are most often used. How often are bats fucking used? I mean, all you have to do is grab a piece of wood, metal or anything relatively light and hard and you now have a bat. Its the most obtainable fucking weapon on the planet and still no one uses it. The whole concealment arguement is bullshit anyways, and shows that you watch far too many movies. Most murders are unplanned and people dont walk around like fucking crack-squads of ninjas like some shitty knock off martial arts movie. Concealment matters, but in most cases, you are just going to grab the most dangerous thing you can get your hands on. If you grab a bat instead of a knife, you deserve to be darwin'ed You make no fucking sense here whatsoever. Again, criminals dont walk up on someone with a knife sticking out in their hand. They pull that shit from behind cover. Not so easy to do with a bat. And again, no one is doubting that a knife is better when it comes to sneaking up on someone and murdering them you dumb fuck, again, totally off topic. And hell the fuck no a piece of wood or a metal pipe is not equivalent to a baseball bat, otherwise the MLB would probably start using them. The baseball bat is a piece of scientifically engineered mechanical usefulness, given decades upon decades of study and research and simulation into how to produce the most power with the lightest frame. Ill use the table scenario again. Place a baseball bat, a metal pipe, and 2x4 piece of would on the table and ask someone to choose one to beat something to shit. What the fuck do you think theyre going to choose? Maybe the pipe? Because maybe they might be more comfortable with it? Maybe the rectangular piece of wood? Hell no, obviously a bat is infinitely superior to any of these rudimentary objects. Knives are easy as fuck to dodge huh? we just react automatically. But Im supposed to be afraid of a fucking bat? Go watch the video again and stop trolling. If motherfucking cops with specific knife defense training cant do shit against a knife wielder 12 feet away, why do you think you would be all of a sudden invincible waving a bat as fast as you can ( have fun )? Fuck. You might as well just yell at him really loud and hope he runs off. Next just throw your shoe at him okay? I didnt say dodge you stupid fuck, i said not just stand there like the video presents. Like most martial arts videos, the victim always just stands perfectly still while he gets his ass dealt with. If the only training these cops receive in knife attacks is to pull their firearm then sweden or whoever these guys are have some pretty shitty cops. I'm pretty sure not too many cops here in the states have lost to a fuckin knife fight. And AGAIN, these videos are demonstrating unprovoked ATTACK! We are debating a planned competitive attack! Pay the fuck attention and stay on course. If the cop knew that someone was gonna fight him with a knife, im sure his gun would already be pulled you fuckin douche. Just like the bat argument, the bat is already pulled out, the fighters facing each other, and THEN they are allowed to attack, to see who wins. I'd beat your ass with a baseball bat too if you had a gun, so long as i just randomly came up to you on the sidewalk and started attacking you with it, like these videos show. what the hell is wrong with you? You go off on a tangent about guns not being like hollywood, but still cling to your hollywood notion of knives? You really think you could shrug off even one slash? You, like all the other knife proponents, assume knife = automatic death, as if nobody has ever survived being stabbed before. A knife isnt a fuckin jedi light-saber. You can be stabbed and walk away from it, and the most likely places you would be stabbed at in an attack are going to be the arms, chest, back, legs, etc. All completely survivable wound areas. Im not saying it's going to be pretty, or that your chances are even good. But again, this is all going back to your loss of focus and arguing about criminal homicide instead of mutual engagement. You amaze me beyond all words | ||
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fusionsdf
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QuietIdiot
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