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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
wtf would Rachmaninoff and Mozart do if they saw this? ![[image loading]](http://www.jfdolphins.com/images/Ex11.jpg) Horowitz supposedly gave up on learning a Godowsky study, which makes me wonder if Godowsky could play half the stuff he wrote. Are 20th century composers insane? I can't see this crap becoming classics like Chopin and Beethoven. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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KwarK
United States43350 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On November 17 2006 21:42 Kwark wrote: I know that as audio recording was first being invented some company got Rachmaninov to test it and after hearing his piano roll recording he said "Gentlemen, I have just heard myself play". Which would suggest he could to me. You know what I meant. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
Beethoven not so much, he wrote for the sake of writing. It's playable, but uncomfortable. Rachmaninoff... some of it is unplayable if your hand isn't big enough - but he could play all his music. Most composers can play their own music :X modern composers I don't pay attention to, though. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
What you don't udnerstand was that these guys were usually among the very best pianists of their time. Cf. Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Mozart | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
All of the (edit: major) significant composers to history that wrote keyboard music, like Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, Schumann, Rachmaninoff, etc., etc., could obviously play their music. Well, except Schumann.  GI, do you mean "classical" as everything pre-modern or Western art music in general? | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
Anyway, arent there any piano playing programs? A pc doesnt have hands so in theory you could compose imposible music and be able to actually hear it... | ||
thedeadhaji
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On November 17 2006 23:36 skindzer wrote: Its piano not keyboard, they are differente things. Anyway, arent there any piano playing programs? A pc doesnt have hands so in theory you could compose imposible music and be able to actually hear it... Ah, I should've probably been less possibly misleading. "Keyboard" in English generally means electronic keyboard, but there is a second meaning that (within the context of classical music repertoire) means the body of instruments that are played with the hands that have keys set up in chromatic fashion--namely, the piano, harsichord, clavichord, organ, etc. Keyboard music thus refers to works written by Bach and others before the piano was invented as well as those written for the piano itself. But yeah, you could input anything into any number of computers/devices (MIDI, although digital music samples would often sound better) and get it to play back any music at all. The limitations of electronics should be far beyond those of humans. However, it's not really a performance, and you'd be very hard-pressed to get a decent imitation of a good piano's sonority and any specific articulation at all, so it wouldn't sound near to real. edit: Haji, the majority of Chopin's music is very pianistic (fitting the hand), at least in my experience playing and hearing it. | ||
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sOnagi[3.33]
Korea (South)886 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On November 18 2006 00:04 Myrmidon wrote: Ah, I should've probably been less possibly misleading. "Keyboard" in English generally means electronic keyboard, but there is a second meaning that (within the context of classical music repertoire) means the body of instruments that are played with the hands that have keys set up in chromatic fashion--namely, the piano, harsichord, clavichord, organ, etc. Keyboard music thus refers to works written by Bach and others before the piano was invented as well as those written for the piano itself.it. Thanks  didnt know that. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On November 17 2006 23:05 GrandInquisitor wrote: All classical composers could play their music. What, they write it and then say "Guess that'll sound good."? What you don't udnerstand was that these guys were usually among the very best pianists of their time. Cf. Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Mozart Yeah, I know that and respect the genius composers like the ones you listed. Liszt could probably sight read half the classical music written before his time. I'm referring to composers such as Sorabji(sp?) who composed the measure shown in the picture in the first post. The piece is something like 4 hours long and the picture shows one of the easier measures. The score is supposedly 7 inches thick, which is another thing that makes me wonder if the guy could actually play it. | ||
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-WGT-Stars-
United States888 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
T_T damn i shoudl sleep 11:30 am now and i havent slept (damn you osl) | ||
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doedrikthe2nd
Sweden981 Posts
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tiffany
3664 Posts
On November 18 2006 11:38 doedrikthe2nd wrote: Skilled musicians just have to look at the notes and they know exactly what it sounds like knowing what it sounds like and actually experiencing the sound are two different things. any skilled musician knows that. | ||
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artofmagic
United States1951 Posts
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
Just because it doesn't look easy to sight-read doesn't mean that people can''t practice and learn a piece. And there are some guys out there with perfect pitch, who can tell you what frequency of vibration a car engine is at ("That buick is running at an F#"). Once they learn an instrument, they usually are able to play it REALLY well, because they can "see" pitches like we see color, and more than just that, remember and play them. | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
Going to the replies, Chopins does have some pretty gay fingering technique which I think will be easier to play without following his suggestion and I hate his chords in polonaises, it just makes my hand feel small | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
But Rachmaninoff, Wieniawski, the virtuoustic composers played what they wrote. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
but what is the point of that? good music was never based on the number of notes that flood out. so i dont think any good musicians would write music just for the sake of writing an impossible bit to play. if they DID do this then theyre pretty lousy musicians imo. boxer can play that with his two index fingers and blindfolded. (just kidding) if someone can play a difficult piece of music, good for them. its just like drummers who say that lol i can smack 37 drums in a second well yea good for you thats awesome but it sounds like shit. back on topic, whether he can or cannot play the music he writes himself does not really matter, what matters most is that the music is beautiful, and if no one on earth can play it then maybe two ppl on a piano? but then the music had DAMN better be good. | ||
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pirate cod
810 Posts
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
On November 18 2006 12:17 artofmagic wrote: boxer can Definitely, even if it's in 400 tempo  | ||
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On November 17 2006 23:45 thedeadhaji wrote: hmm, Chopin's music fitting the hand? I thought that because he was self-taught, some of his hand positions were really really weird. but "natural". On November 20 2006 08:36 pyrogenetix wrote: back on topic, whether he can or cannot play the music he writes himself does not really matter, what matters most is that the music is beautiful, and if no one on earth can play it then maybe two ppl on a piano? but then the music had DAMN better be good. most of it isnt. and right now it doesnt even matter, he wants to know wether those people write stuff they cant play or not. i bet it does happen, but mostly they ll try to write shit they can play, or someone else can. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
a pro-gamer orchestra...hitting 400 apm and at the end the conductor screams "GEEEGEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" | ||
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On November 20 2006 09:17 Kennigit wrote: a pro-gamer orchestra...hitting 400 apm and at the end the conductor screams "GEEEGEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" then the audience stands up and yells "GEEGEEEEEEEEE" and goes to standing ovation | ||
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GunSlinger
614 Posts
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
On November 20 2006 08:33 jkillashark wrote: The actual answer is no. Tchaikovsky was not a violinist though he knew how to play. He wrote a VERY difficult piece when he wrote his violin concerto. A lot of times it feels very awkward to play in the concerto for the violinist. Tchaikovsky himself did not play the music he wrote, he was paid to write it for a soloist. But Rachmaninoff, Wieniawski, the virtuoustic composers played what they wrote. ...the actual answer is some can, some can't. More like, most can, few can't. Those few who can't are those who have probably composed many pieces for an instrument they CAN play and have continued on to orchestral, solo, etc, pieces. | ||
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AnWh
Sweden220 Posts
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Solstice[gm]
Korea (South)76 Posts
On November 17 2006 21:34 iamke55 wrote: I think they just compose stuff for the sake of having written the hardest music ever. wtf would Rachmaninoff and Mozart do if they saw this? Horowitz supposedly gave up on learning a Godowsky study, which makes me wonder if Godowsky could play half the stuff he wrote. Are 20th century composers insane? I can't see this crap becoming classics like Chopin and Beethoven. Most of them can, I'm not sure about younger ones. I mean, if you're a qualified "professional" musician, you should be able to play several instruments ... I remember my teacher who was in his 50s, he played like 30 instruments -__- (I didn't even know that many existed T_T) | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
NICE | ||
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AnWh
Sweden220 Posts
On November 20 2006 11:23 Solstice[gm] wrote: Most of them can, I'm not sure about younger ones. I mean, if you're a qualified "professional" musician, you should be able to play several instruments ... I remember my teacher who was in his 50s, he played like 30 instruments -__- (I didn't even know that many existed T_T) As a professional you'd spend your life on one instrument, for classical music. | ||
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coolio
Finland196 Posts
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venusian.kohai
Canada741 Posts
that youtube piece is awesome classical shit is nice! | ||
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