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Malaysian airliner shot down over Eastern Ukraine - Page 9
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
On July 18 2014 02:54 Amui wrote: To elaborate, the most likely system was a mobile SAM system. You can't hit something that high up with shoulder mounted SAMs, the missiles simply aren't big enough. That leads to more interesting questions though, because there is no doubt in my mind that while a system like that would be able to identify that that plane was broadcasting a civilian transponder. Handheld Rusian STRELA and IGLA systems can target out to 4-6 km. YES, probably a SAM system if it was the SA-11 (Buk SA-11 Gadfly) then it has an IFF Interrogator. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On July 18 2014 02:56 jinorazi wrote: are the rebels fighting for ukraine against russia or for russia against ukraine? They're fighting for russia against ukraine. (Arguably motivated by putin). | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On July 18 2014 02:56 jinorazi wrote: are the rebels fighting for ukraine against russia or for russia against ukraine? They're pro-Russian separatists that try to establish some kind of pseudo independent state. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On July 18 2014 02:53 Plansix wrote: This is likely going to be the most damning evidence out there that the rebels shot down the plane. Its not 100% proof, but its hard to deny with that date stamp on it. Can anyone translate? Cheerio translated most of it, the last line is, "We also have reports of another downed plane, apparently a Su." The legitimacy of this post is, of course, more than questionable. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On July 18 2014 02:57 Enzymatic wrote: They're fighting for russia against ukraine. (Arguably motivated by putin). When you're using one of these, it's hard to use the word ''arugably'' anymore haha ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Buk-M1-2_9A310M1-2.jpg) | ||
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
On July 18 2014 02:55 Soap wrote: That's not how IFF works. It checks for a signal from friendly aircraft, which a malaysian airplane obviously won't have. All aircraft have a IFF transponder buddy. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On July 18 2014 03:01 DarkEnergy wrote: All aircraft have a IFF transponder buddy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe#NATO SA-11/17 are Mode 3 from what i'm gathering the twitterverse and some old army friends. ''Properly trained operator'' should be able to clearly see it's Civilian. Doing some more research now. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On July 18 2014 03:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Obama to speak in a few min. and what will he say ? "yeah we are sorry we hope its not russian equipment or else we would be even more sorry and very mad and oh well shit happens" | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 18 2014 03:01 DarkEnergy wrote: All aircraft have a IFF transponder buddy. NVM. | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
On July 18 2014 03:06 whiteLotus wrote: and what will he say ? "yeah we are sorry we hope its not russian equipment or else we would be even more sorry and very mad and oh well shit happens" It is only proper that a nation's leader speak in the event that citizens are killed abroad. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 18 2014 03:07 farvacola wrote: It is only proper that a nation's leader speak in the event that citizens are killed abroad. And say, "Yo, if we find out that someone shot this plane down, shit will get real on all levels." | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On July 18 2014 03:08 Plansix wrote: And say, "Yo, if we find out that someone shot this plane down, shit will get real on all levels." Not likely. If the united states were going to get involved in this Russia/Ukraine shit, it would have probably happened already. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On July 18 2014 03:08 Plansix wrote: And say, "Yo, if we find out that someone shot this plane down, shit will get real on all levels." Probably along the lines of sternly shaking his finger at putin and then threatening to impose greater sanctions on something russia doesnt give 2 shits about anyways. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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