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The European Union reached outline agreement on Friday to impose the first economic sanctions on Russia over its behavior in Ukraine but scaled back their scope to exclude technology for the crucial gas sector.

The sanctions on access to capital markets, arms and hi-tech goods are also likely to apply only to future contracts, leaving France free to go ahead with the controversial delivery of Mistral helicopter carriers being built for Russia.

After months of hesitation, the 28-nation EU toughened its stance toward Moscow after last week's downing of a Malaysian airliner, killing 298 people, in an area of eastern Ukraine held by Russian-backed separatists.
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On July 25 2014 22:47 Jochan wrote:

I mean those that hit them the hardest, their natural resources excavation/extraction - export branch which brings 50%+ budget revenue and supporting the recovery of Russian military potential by building them state of the art training facilities (Germans), equipment (French mistrals). Even Dutch can hit the extremely hard, Shell and Phillips are the biggest foreign companies in Russia. But as I said, it's all a mad mans dream.

"This is a huge problem for Hollande," said Bruno Tertrais, a senior research fellow at the Fondation pour la Recherche Stratégique in Paris. "The question of reputation as a supplier is as important at least as the money. If it was just about a billion euros, it would be different story."

The White House issued its strongest denunciation yet of Russian President Vladimir Putin over the downing of the Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -2.22% flight in eastern Ukraine, saying Friday that available evidence shows the Russians are "culpable" in the plane crash.

The charge came on the same day Pentagon officials said Moscow was preparing to transfer sophisticated rocket systems to pro-Russia separatists in Ukraine. U.S. officials said that while Russia has previously sent ground-attack rockets across the border, they have evidence that Russia was preparing to transfer heavier, more powerful rocket systems to the rebels, who have been struggling in recent weeks to counter the Ukrainian military.

A day earlier, the Obama administration charged that Russian forces have fired artillery into Ukraine in an attempt to disrupt government forces.

The U.S. criticism reflects a hardening of Washington's view that Russia supplied separatist allies with the surface-to-air weapon used to shoot down Flight 17, along with a message to European allies that Mr. Putin hasn't been embarrassed into backing down from his support of rebels.
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On July 26 2014 17:06 ShadeR wrote:
Who has read the MH-17 = MH370 theory?

On July 26 2014 22:01 Roggay wrote:

Why would anyone put any credit into that?

On July 26 2014 10:41 Sub40APM wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/eu-expands-russian-oligarch-sanctions-blacklist-mh17

Yes, France must maintain its reputation as a reliable supplier of weapons no matter the circumstances or actions of its clients.

On July 25 2014 16:12 Maenander wrote:
The question of which side is guilty over this incident is merely an emotional one. People want their side to be morally justified in everything.

Russia has repeatedly said it supports efforts to investigate the crash, but a television station with close ties to the Kremlin added a major obstacle on Friday with a report that seemed designed to provoke violent hostility toward foreign investigators among the rebels.

Life News, a Russian television station whose reports often veer into wild conspiracy theories, suggested that the Dutch government would use the crash investigation as a pretext to infiltrate special forces in rebel-held territory and hunt down and seize the separatists’ military commander, a Russian citizen known as Igor Strelkov.

On July 27 2014 02:01 BronzeKnee wrote:
We, the United States told Ukraine we would protect them if they gave up their nuclear weapons. We are failing completely on that obligation..

On July 27 2014 04:10 discomatt wrote:


There was only a promise of protection against a nuclear arsenal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#The_Budapest_Memorandums

Why would Russia fear Ukraine joining NATO if there was already a commitment to protect them in the event of any form of aggression?

The SMM visited four sites in Donetsk region related to the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17. At two sites, the SMM saw a wallet containing credit cards, three other credit cards belonging to three different people, two Dutch passports and a driver’s licence, a Malaysian identity card, and other personal documents. The documents had not been present on the SMM’s previous visits to these sites. At one site, the SMM noted that some debris had been cut and moved, and – in some instances – possibly removed. At another site, for the first time in four days, the SMM observed three emergency workers from the Ministry for Emergency Situations, who were handling a large piece of fuselage. They did not explain what they were doing. At the main crash site in and around the village of Grabove, the SMM observed, at three locations outside the village and at one inside the village itself, small pieces of human remains.

On July 27 2014 04:10 discomatt wrote:


There was only a promise of protection against a nuclear arsenal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#The_Budapest_Memorandums

Why would Russia fear Ukraine joining NATO if there was already a commitment to protect them in the event of any form of aggression?

The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;

On July 27 2014 08:19 Yurie wrote:


How do you interpret #3?



Since on this page there is a claim that Russia is supplying the rebellion in Ukraine with ever more advanced weapons. Which is a threat to the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

DONETSK, Ukraine — European monitors on Friday indicated for the first time that credit and debit cards belonging to people who died on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine had been moved inappropriately, though it was unclear whether anybody had tried to use them.

Debris from Flight 17 spilled over dozens of square miles, extending across sunflower fields, forests and villages. The huge site is almost wholly unguarded, though pro-Russian militants who control it have denied that looting has been allowed.

The movement of credit cards was the latest sign of tampering with the wreckage in ways large and small. The United States and Ukraine say that the airliner was shot down by a missile, likely supplied by Russia, from territory occupied by the same separatists who now control the debris field.