Malaysia said on Monday that a missing jetliner had crashed into the Indian Ocean, an announcement that was greeted with hysteria by Chinese relatives of those on board and a demand by China that Kuala Lumpur share all the evidence it had on the incident.
Citing groundbreaking satellite-data analysis by the British company Inmarsat, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which vanished more than a fortnight ago while flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, had crashed thousands of miles away in the southern Indian Ocean.
His statement may go some way toward tamping down some of the more fevered speculation about the plane's fate, including one theory some grief-stricken relatives had seized on: that the plane had been hijacked and forced to land somewhere.
All 239 people on board were presumed dead, airline officials said on Monday.
Najib's announcement opens the way for what could be one of the most costly and challenging air crash investigations in history.
The launch of an official air crash investigation would give Malaysia power to coordinate and sift evidence, but it may still face critics, especially China, which had more than 150 citizens on board the missing plane and has criticised Malaysia over the progress of the search.
The Inmarsat data showed the Boeing 777's last position was in the Indian Ocean west of Perth, Australia, Najib said in a statement.
"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites," he said. "It is therefore, with deep sadness and regret, that I must inform you that, according to this new data, Flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."
Britain's Inmarsat used a wave phenomenon discovered in the 19th century to analyze the seven pings its satellite picked up from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 to determine its final destination.
The new findings led Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak to conclude on Monday that the Boeing 777, which disappeared more than two weeks ago, crashed thousands of miles away in the southern Indian Ocean, killing all 239 people on board.
The pings, automatically transmitted every hour from the aircraft after the rest of its communications systems had stopped, indicated it continued flying for hours after it disappeared from its flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
From the time the signals took to reach the satellite and the angle of elevation, Inmarsat was able to provide two arcs, one north and one south that the aircraft could have taken.
Inmarsat's scientists then interrogated the faint pings using a technique based on the Doppler effect, which describes how a wave changes frequency relative to the movement of an observer, in this case the satellite, a spokesman said.
The Doppler effect is why the sound of a police car siren changes as it approaches and then overtakes an observer.
Britain's Air Accidents Investigation Branch was also involved in the analysis.
"We then took the data we had from the aircraft and plotted it against the two tracks, and it came out as following the southern track," Jonathan Sinnatt, head of corporate communications at Inmarsat, said.
The company then compared its theoretical flight path with data received from Boeing 777s it knew had flown the same route, he said, and it matched exactly.
The findings were passed to another satellite company to check, he said, before being released to investigators on Monday.
The paucity of data - only faint pings received by a single satellite every hour or so - meant techniques like triangulation using a number of satellites or GPS (Global Positioning System) could not be used to determine the aircraft's flight path.
It is hard to say that it would have been a better scenario if the plane were hijacked, that way those onboard might have had at least some chance of coming out alive, though to be fair that might not have even happened.
It is good that the families of those on the flight know of the fate of the passengers and loved ones, but again sad that they had to wait so long to realize this fate.
On March 25 2014 10:15 vult wrote: This is truly tragic.
It is hard to say that it would have been a better scenario if the plane were hijacked, that way those onboard might have had at least some chance of coming out alive, though to be fair that might not have even happened.
It is good that the families of those on the flight know of the fate of the passengers and loved ones, but again sad that they had to wait so long to realize this fate.
My condolences go out to the families.
To be fair the chance of survivors was already slim to non mere days after the plane was lost. Hostage takers would have already come with ransoms which leaves only a crash. Sea means there all dead and land means a small percentage might be alive but then the plane would likely have been spotted at some point.
On March 25 2014 10:22 SiDX wrote: Really hope they locate the black box soon rather than in a couple of years..
Well it is more luck now then anything. First the plane... the actual location and crash site, then the search. It took some luck and 2 years to find the black box for Air France 447. This case is even more complicated then that one. So... you know, just a matter of luck now.
On March 25 2014 10:06 Antisocialmunky wrote: Detecting a Doppler Effect on an object moving at ~400 mph from a satellite is pretty impressive.
This. As someone with a Physics background I'd be extremely impressed if they actually did this. Alternatively it's just some jargon that the article tossed around as bullshit, who knows.
Doppler effect on an object moving a few hundred km/h from an instrument moving tens of thousands of km/h looking, essentially, vertically downward, perpendicular to the motion??
On March 25 2014 10:06 Antisocialmunky wrote: Detecting a Doppler Effect on an object moving at ~400 mph from a satellite is pretty impressive.
This. As someone with a Physics background I'd be extremely impressed if they actually did this. Alternatively it's just some jargon that the article tossed around as bullshit, who knows.
Doppler effect on an object moving a few hundred km/h from an instrument moving tens of thousands of km/h looking, essentially, vertically downward, perpendicular to the motion??
A bit of both, I suspect. Just having publicly announced the 6 other Pings would have nailed down the Indian Ocean path within an hour. The basic flight path isn't that hard to get out, when you do have a few fixed reference points around the Pings. I imagine the analysis used limited the "cone of possibility" a lot tighter. Though that's not going to help the search area all that much.
On March 25 2014 10:06 Antisocialmunky wrote: Detecting a Doppler Effect on an object moving at ~400 mph from a satellite is pretty impressive.
This. As someone with a Physics background I'd be extremely impressed if they actually did this. Alternatively it's just some jargon that the article tossed around as bullshit, who knows.
Doppler effect on an object moving a few hundred km/h from an instrument moving tens of thousands of km/h looking, essentially, vertically downward, perpendicular to the motion??
A bit of both, I suspect. Just having publicly announced the 6 other Pings would have nailed down the Indian Ocean path within an hour. The basic flight path isn't that hard to get out, when you do have a few fixed reference points around the Pings. I imagine the analysis used limited the "cone of possibility" a lot tighter. Though that's not going to help the search area all that much.
They have just released a technical briefing. It seems to indeed be possible to use burst frequency offset to estimate the planes position. The data:
On the face of it, this seems like a definitive result. Pretty impressive work to come up with these calculations under this much pressure. Talk about making the most of very limited information!
Furthermore they talk about a partial ping being sent 8 minutes after the 8:11 ping. They are not sure what that is about yet.
I don't get why the hijacking gone wrong has been dismissed. Sure the plane crashed in the middle of the ocean. But why was it htere ? I mean there's nothing here. No place to land, no base, no petrol platform. No target.
I remember a video from a crash plane in the sea (impressive video) and it was an hijacking gone wrong were the hijacker wanted to go some place, pilots told they didn't have the fuel to get there but hijacker insist. I even think the video was posted here in this very thread.
So i don't get why the pilots would have flown that deep into the ocean. It's like they were going to south pole or something. There's no sense in that.
Well there's still nothing concrete yet, and we may never know what happened. What we do know is malaysia messed up big time. They didn't alert the relatives immediately when the plane went missing, then they kept the relatives in a hotel room and kept them in the dark, and then they didn't cooperate with other countries who were helping with the search and rescue. then the final insult is texting the families "hai suplol ur loved onez r daed at bottom ocean lulz"
The plane would have always been at the bottom of the ocean. You can't just hijack a plane and have it disappear. Some of the speculation was kinda stupid imo.
On March 26 2014 01:19 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why the hijacking gone wrong has been dismissed. Sure the plane crashed in the middle of the ocean. But why was it htere ? I mean there's nothing here. No place to land, no base, no petrol platform. No target.
I remember a video from a crash plane in the sea (impressive video) and it was an hijacking gone wrong were the hijacker wanted to go some place, pilots told they didn't have the fuel to get there but hijacker insist. I even think the video was posted here in this very thread.
So i don't get why the pilots would have flown that deep into the ocean. It's like they were going to south pole or something. There's no sense in that.
That was Ethiopian flight 961, it was an episode on Air Crash Investigations.
On March 26 2014 01:19 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why the hijacking gone wrong has been dismissed. Sure the plane crashed in the middle of the ocean. But why was it htere ? I mean there's nothing here. No place to land, no base, no petrol platform. No target.
I remember a video from a crash plane in the sea (impressive video) and it was an hijacking gone wrong were the hijacker wanted to go some place, pilots told they didn't have the fuel to get there but hijacker insist. I even think the video was posted here in this very thread.
So i don't get why the pilots would have flown that deep into the ocean. It's like they were going to south pole or something. There's no sense in that.
Some people think you shouldn't spread baseless rumors that someones dead family members may have been a terrorist.
Some people think you should have some solid evidence before you start maligning someones character, integrity, and faith on a global scale, just so they can say that they suggested the 'right' scenario first or "knew it all along".
On March 26 2014 01:19 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why the hijacking gone wrong has been dismissed. Sure the plane crashed in the middle of the ocean. But why was it htere ? I mean there's nothing here. No place to land, no base, no petrol platform. No target.
I remember a video from a crash plane in the sea (impressive video) and it was an hijacking gone wrong were the hijacker wanted to go some place, pilots told they didn't have the fuel to get there but hijacker insist. I even think the video was posted here in this very thread.
So i don't get why the pilots would have flown that deep into the ocean. It's like they were going to south pole or something. There's no sense in that.
Some people think you shouldn't spread baseless rumors that someones dead family members may have been a terrorist.
Some people think you should have some solid evidence before you start maligning someones character, integrity, and faith on a global scale, just so they can say that they suggested the 'right' scenario first or "knew it all along".
There aren't any solid facts about most things regarding MH370. And saying the pilots who, all we know, could have done all they can to save the plane and calling them terrorist are the worst thing you can ever say to the decease without any facts. As with most more reasonable theories floating around right now, the best possible answer to the plane's behavior is something catastrophic happened on the plane, forcing the pilots to turn towards the nearest airport.
As one article said, when a plane is in danger, the pilots priority will first be to save the plane and passengers, before announcing what is going on. If something very, VERY bad happened, that never happened before, the pilot would have almost no time to do the 2nd half, which is to tell people what's happening. This has happened before among other Air Emergencies. Some ended ok, some didn't.
But the captain of the plane had 17,000 flying hours. I would honestly doubt if he was in control to just blank out. (I mean to misjudge the situation.) All we can hope is for them to find the plane, the black box and finally figure out what happened on the plane that caused this whole situation.
Honestly, even though some of the Air Emergency episodes are a bit overly dramatic, majority of them give you very good information about how some things are on planes. It kinda helps with your train of thought.
Edit: I would admit that Malaysia hasn't done a great job regarding how it has handled things so far. Like literally. I'd understand China being upset over this. Hell I'm Taiwanese and I'm irritated having to find info on my own instead of hearing it from the government. I don't believe the NTSB would be this irresponsible.
On March 26 2014 01:19 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why the hijacking gone wrong has been dismissed. Sure the plane crashed in the middle of the ocean. But why was it htere ? I mean there's nothing here. No place to land, no base, no petrol platform. No target.
I remember a video from a crash plane in the sea (impressive video) and it was an hijacking gone wrong were the hijacker wanted to go some place, pilots told they didn't have the fuel to get there but hijacker insist. I even think the video was posted here in this very thread.
So i don't get why the pilots would have flown that deep into the ocean. It's like they were going to south pole or something. There's no sense in that.
Some people think you shouldn't spread baseless rumors that someones dead family members may have been a terrorist.
Some people think you should have some solid evidence before you start maligning someones character, integrity, and faith on a global scale, just so they can say that they suggested the 'right' scenario first or "knew it all along".
Well i wasn't talking about one poeple in particular i was just surprised that the theory seems dismissed. Maybe it's just dismissed to the public and that investigation will look into it.
I don't care about being right nor i would say something like i knew all along. But i can't wrap my head around your comment. I don't understand if you're sarcastic, harsh or just stating what you think/feel. Written english do that to not native speakers