EPTEdit I think we can scratch Indonesia from that list. They sound like they are genuinely cooperating. Also, it seems China has been caught on the wrong foot and are scrambling to analyse their data on own territories. Could be quite ironic if it was China getting called out!
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
Edit I think we can scratch Indonesia from that list. They sound like they are genuinely cooperating. Also, it seems China has been caught on the wrong foot and are scrambling to analyse their data on own territories. Could be quite ironic if it was China getting called out! | ||
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
On March 20 2014 06:13 r.Evo wrote: You linked an article about oxygen masks for passengers. In the event of smoke or even fire in the cockpit it's masks on. On top of that if a fire or any accident doesn't damage all communication one of the pilots will communicate it to ATC. Here and here are examples of plane crashes as the result of fires. In both cases the pilots were communicating what's going on. I don't know of any single aviation incident where a fire (obviously not from an explosion) straight up disabled communications and/or the crew was incapable of communicating it - if you do, please share. Fair enough. BBC seem to discredit the theory - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114 | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
Malaysian newspaper is reporting that authorities have found five runways in the Indian Ocean on a flight simulator kept by the pilot of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370-- including one in the Maldives, where reports have surfaced of locals seeing a "low-flying jumbo jet" last week. Seems authorities haven't confirmed the information obviously but I wouldn't doubt this info is true and the people in charge are just waiting for a good time to publicly release it. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
I know there are for radio signals (radio jammer) SMS and maybe WIFI, but for transponders and specifically aircraft communication? I really am curious as to why the disappearance of the communication from the plane immediately suspects someone turning it off. Wouldn't it be possible (or does a device exist) that can basically flood the spectrum of signals used by the plane to prevent it from beaming out communication? | ||
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polgas
Canada1752 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26659951 | ||
dravernor
Netherlands6181 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6226 Posts
Still, far from confirmed yet. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
This is the official press release, it contains a summary of what was said by the PM. http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/20032014MediaReleasePossibleDebrisFoundMH370.pdf Edit1: Just found what looks like the extrapolated result of the other ping data withheld from the public: ![[image loading]](http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjJXSqzCAAAi3vt.png) Edit2: This guy might be lying or not, he just posted on airliners.net. Take it with a grain of salt. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6032099/#238 User currently offlineERJ135 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 679 posts, RR: 1 Reply 238, posted Thu Mar 20 2014 01:22:15 your local time (7 minutes 26 secs ago) and read 1353 times: I am unable to give sources or any other information, however I am looking at a hard copy of the satellite imagery which clearly shows the two pieces of debris. The larger one at 24 metres is definitely a part of an aircraft wing, if it is the 777 we are looking for it would be from the engine pylon to the tip. The other part is harder to tell what it is. The credible information is that it was found at the extreme fuel range of the aircraft off the West coast of Australia near Perth. The theory of a Helios type tragedy is now most likely but is still speculation. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6226 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/03/19/1226859/254584-9201a22a-aed9-11e3-9d7e-f018f46e0213.jpg Before that, they only released data on the last ping to the public: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/19/heres-whats-odd-about-that-map-of-mh370s-final-satellite-ping/ Update: Australian officials are now searching a patch of ocean southwest of Perth based on calculations by the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. The calculations, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, relied on satellite pings provided to Australia by U.S. officials. If true, it suggests that investigators did in fact find the other handshakes useful. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mniuJG4.jpg) http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6032099/#263 Apparently there is an embedded reporter on the leading aircraft that reported the plane was detecting significant radar returns in the area. No one has had an actual look at the area yet. However, keep in mind that they've diverted 4 planes and 5 ships (which won't arrive for days) already. I hope this is it for the sake of the families so they can have some closure... Edit 1: Alleged Coordinates of the Debris Frield seems to be 43°58'34.0"S 90°57'37.0"E Edit 2: Low-Res Images are on ABC now. Seems these are legit. Left is enhanced, Right is unenhanced. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TD12fL0.jpg) Edit 3: Article Here http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/raaf-en-route-to-possible-debris-from-mh370-in-indian-ocean/5334314 Edit 4: A lot of speculation that Australia used their over the horizon early warning radar to confirm debris was there before sending search assets is happening. Edit 5: Correspondent reporting from lead aircraft: http://abcnews.go.com/International/search-crews-objects-plane-search/t/story?id=22979627&source=hp | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On March 20 2014 08:30 Chewits wrote: Fair enough. BBC seem to discredit the theory - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114 lol. First time I had the BBC arguing my case. Cheers. <3 @Australian Findings: First of all, those extrapolated pings are pretty damn huge. That info really took its time to come out. Either way if it's really found down there in the southern arc that would be an... awkward position to find the plane in. You suddenly need a scenario where the pilots made a deliberate course change because of some event in the plane that also disabled communication and made handling the plane impossible for some reason at a later point. What makes this weird to me personally is that for such a scenario to occur you kind of need something like a storm and/or lightning hits to really screw a plane up like this. I vaguely remember there having been cases in which electronics and controls died out completely in the front area of the plane where the only way for the pilots to still steer was using the autopilot - but suddenly we're talking about a plane that is in the process of breaking up and wouldn't keep going for another 6-7h. The planes course and timeline, assuming it's really going to be found down there, would imply that both pilots were rendered incapable of controlling the (otherwise completely stable) plane in the middle of a maneuver and autopilot kept the flight level until fuel ran out. ...that's a pretty hard to explain scenario, especially combined with the radio silence, unless the pilots punched each other to death while arguing over where the flight goes exactly and neither won. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
So here's hoping right? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Do we know if Australia ships/planes/chopper are already onroute for the debris that they seemed to have found ? It would mean that the plane and people are lost so in a sense... I hope they won't find anything. What i'm more concerned is in the article that flight data is not recorded for more than a few hours. So they might not get data from all of the duration of flight. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6226 Posts
Regarding: On March 20 2014 17:14 r.Evo wrote: @Australian Findings: You suddenly need a scenario where the pilots made a deliberate course change because of some event in the plane that also disabled communication and made handling the plane impossible for some reason at a later point. What makes this weird to me personally is that for such a scenario to occur you kind of need something like a storm and/or lightning hits to really screw a plane up like this. This is true, but it's really true of any scenario that doesn't involve active hijacking. None of the points on the satellite ping are on the plane's last known trajectory. Maaaybe some on the very edge of the northern arc. It pretty much has to have turned since the radar detection, either north or south. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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