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This pictures would make the plane 50 - 55meters. 777 are 63-73
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Its probably a boat if its anything at all.
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A plane that supposedly flew until it had no more fuel left making a water landing that leaves most of its fuselage intact and floating? No. Just no.
This is an example of a fairly recent (1996) water ditching without fuel. It's also an example of a highjacking gone wrong.
Even when it comes to completely successful ditchings (there was both a Russian Tupolev that got ditched in a river and also an Airbus that got ditched in the Hudson River) the planes would just... sink afterwards without outside help.
Water landings and especially emergency landings are much more violent than if you'd try to do the same thing on land. Even actually finding said 24m piece still floating would be extremely lucky. (Do we know from when the satellite pictures that the Aussies are chasing atm are coming?)
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On March 21 2014 02:37 r.Evo wrote:A plane that supposedly flew until it had no more fuel left making a water landing that leaves most of its fuselage intact and floating? No. Just no. This is an example of a fairly recent (1996) water ditching without fuel. It's also an example of a highjacking gone wrong. Even when it comes to completely successful ditchings (there was both a Russian Tupolev that got ditched in a river and also an Airbus that got ditched in the Hudson River) the planes would just... sink afterwards without outside help. Water landings and especially emergency landings are much more violent than if you'd try to do the same thing on land. Even actually finding said 24m piece still floating would be extremely lucky. (Do we know from when the satellite pictures that the Aussies are chasing atm are coming?)
That image is not the same area that Aussies are looking at. Its an older image that I believe turned out to be nothing.
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something is really fishy here and im just starting to think that 911 is an inside job edit ** just a min ago it was all russia.. is this a smoke screen?
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Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology.
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Hmm it looks like at this point we'll never know what happened. Blame the malaysian government for not being forthcoming with information right away and cooperating with other nations from the get go. Sucks for the people who lost loved ones and friends due to malaysian government incompetence.
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On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I find it amusing that something like this comes from a guy from the second largest country in the world including Nunavut and Yukon. There so much Ice Eddard Stark could get jelly.
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On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea.
It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof.
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I'd be curious how deep the ocean is in the area the junk was spotted. Anyone know how to check? There were coordinates on the last page.
If it's sunk and the ocean is 5km deep there, it could be months before we find anything. And then we'll probably find a shipping container full of shoes.
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On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof.
My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm.
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On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm.
Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves.
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One problem with where they're searching in the Indian Ocean: given currents in that area, the debris could be from practically anything. Currents roll around Antarctica pretty much forever.
I had a friend that lives on the West Coast visit the pier that showed up from the Tohoku tsunami (something like 10 or 20 tons) around 8 months afterwards. Big, massive pier floated thousands of miles across the ocean. There are strange things like that floating in the ocean.
As for that location, it's possible the plane barely missed the Australian JORN radar network. The first locations they were claiming would have required entering its published range within 2-3 hours of disappearing from Radar. Now, not so much. (At the edges, I'm pretty sure the accuracy goes way down) And, if it was just at the edges, the Australians probably wanted to wait for other information to come out, rather than giving too many details about their Tech.
Still, if the plane did go down there, we have a situation where the plane somehow follows flight lines for 2 hours, then turns due South over the Bay of Bengal and flies until it runs out of fuel. Which actually doesn't much change the purposeful hijacking likelihood. Now we need to figure out if they had HALO jump gear on the plane.
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On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of.
What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country.
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On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist?
Terrorists aren't well known for being brilliant long-term thinkers. Considering most of the problematic ones are suicidal jihadists, their long-term planning is in question.
Plus, we don't know if the event went properly. There have been a lot of failed terror plots. If this one half-Failed, that could explain all of the strange problems.
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On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway Pretty sure that's not the average terrorist's mission statement.
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On March 21 2014 08:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: Plus, we don't know if the event went properly. There have been a lot of failed terror plots. If this one half-Failed, that could explain all of the strange problems.
That's true, I hadn't thought about that angle.
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On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country.
Just to play the devil's advocate here, the Malaysian government isn't doing so well at the moment.
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On March 21 2014 08:35 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote: Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? Terrorists aren't well known for being brilliant long-term thinkers. Considering most of the problematic ones are suicidal jihadists, their long-term planning is in question. Plus, we don't know if the event went properly. There have been a lot of failed terror plots. If this one half-Failed, that could explain all of the strange problems. yeah, could be. but that would mean they either knew the plane very well, or they failed that miserable that they killed everyone on the plane but the autopilot continued flying.
I'm on the side of a technical problem that caused "problems". the pilots tried to program the autopilot to fly to safety, but died in the process. So there was a ghost-plane in the sky for hours, until they ran out of fuel.
@Cambium: I don't follow their politics that closely. Their search just showcases they're no 1st world country with tons of resources and properly structured bureaucracy. Or am i missing something? (I mean, yes I hear that the co pilot is closely related to the wife of the oppositions leader. but other than that?)
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This is just a giant clusterfuck
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