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When it comes to what happened I am a believer in Linkin Parks debut album: Hybrid theory!
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Yeah, if it's a terrorist attack, the most likely explanation would be that they failed somehow.
It just makes no sense to me, from their point of view, why they wouldn't do something publicly, crashing the plane somewhere or keep the passengers as hostages and so on. Perhaps a hijacking and then an accident they didn't plan for?
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On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country.
"spreading terror" can be done in a lot of different ways. Israel has already spent millions preparing for a ridiculously unlikely terrorist plot and the US spent billions more chasing terrorism (like it's a person not a tactic) than Osama ever could of done in any semblance of conventional war. While the thousands lost from 9/11 and the following wars are significant, the most severe blows were struck economically and socially.
Individual terrorists do things for ignorant reasons devoid of comprehension of the realistic consequences of their actions. However, the masterminds who use terrorism as a tactic know that by attacking sensationally the damage done by the attack itself is only a tiny fraction of the intended impact as is the generic "terror" it spreads.
All that being said I think people should stop insisting that the pilot/s were probably terrorists if it turns out that there was a catastrophic failure and the pilots last actions were a heroic effort to divert the plane to a safer path or whatever it will show just how disgusting it is that so many would have defamed a potentially innocent person to such an insane degree, all in the interest of speculation
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Australian authorities hunting for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have released satellite images of two objects seen floating in the southern Indian Ocean.
Search teams on board a number of vessels and planes are now scouring the area - more than 2,000km (1,200 miles) south-west of Perth - to try to identify the debris.
However, Australia's Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa), which is co-ordinating the search, cautioned that the items were located in a busy shipping area and may not be from the missing jet.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26662641
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On March 21 2014 09:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. All that being said I think people should stop insisting that the pilot/s were probably terrorists if it turns out that there was a catastrophic failure and the pilots last actions were a heroic effort to divert the plane to a safer path or whatever it will show just how disgusting it is that so many would have defamed a potentially innocent person to such an insane degree, all in the interest of speculation
unless the plane was carrying 237 nukes instead of people, there is no reason for a "safer path" all the way to south indian ocean (if indeed that's where it is) where it makes it harder to find the wreckage.
seperate question, it says that the area is a busy shipping area, what route would go that far south?
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On March 21 2014 10:04 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 09:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. All that being said I think people should stop insisting that the pilot/s were probably terrorists if it turns out that there was a catastrophic failure and the pilots last actions were a heroic effort to divert the plane to a safer path or whatever it will show just how disgusting it is that so many would have defamed a potentially innocent person to such an insane degree, all in the interest of speculation unless the plane was carrying 237 nukes instead of people, there is no reason for a "safer path" all the way to south indian ocean (if indeed that's where it is) where it makes it harder to find the wreckage. seperate question, it says that the area is a busy shipping area, what route would go that far south?
Safer for people on the ground if we assume it was a ghost plane and was destined to crash. And the idea was that they turned it towards the closest airport and then for whatever reason kept flying, not consciously diverting it out the the ocean to protect people.
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On March 21 2014 09:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. "spreading terror" can be done in a lot of different ways. Israel has already spent millions preparing for a ridiculously unlikely terrorist plot and the US spent billions more chasing terrorism (like it's a person not a tactic) than Osama ever could of done in any semblance of conventional war. While the thousands lost from 9/11 and the following wars are significant, the most severe blows were struck economically and socially. Individual terrorists do things for ignorant reasons devoid of comprehension of the realistic consequences of their actions. However, the masterminds who use terrorism as a tactic know that by attacking sensationally the damage done by the attack itself is only a tiny fraction of the intended impact as is the generic "terror" it spreads. All that being said I think people should stop insisting that the pilot/s were probably terrorists if it turns out that there was a catastrophic failure and the pilots last actions were a heroic effort to divert the plane to a safer path or whatever it will show just how disgusting it is that so many would have defamed a potentially innocent person to such an insane degree, all in the interest of speculation
yeah but in all those reactions, there is a real and reasonable threat behind it. Now we just have a missing air plane. Of course it could be an evil mastermind, but to instill fear via missing planes you need more than one in a reasonable time frame. that would need extraordinary organization coming from an ngo. so unless planes start vanishing regularly, I doubt it's terrorists.
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On March 21 2014 10:04 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 09:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. All that being said I think people should stop insisting that the pilot/s were probably terrorists if it turns out that there was a catastrophic failure and the pilots last actions were a heroic effort to divert the plane to a safer path or whatever it will show just how disgusting it is that so many would have defamed a potentially innocent person to such an insane degree, all in the interest of speculation unless the plane was carrying 237 nukes instead of people, there is no reason for a "safer path" all the way to south indian ocean (if indeed that's where it is) where it makes it harder to find the wreckage. seperate question, it says that the area is a busy shipping area, what route would go that far south?
South Africa <-> Melbourne / NZ perhaps.
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Is everyone enjoying this story?
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On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country.
It's new-meta terrorism. Instead of causing trouble in public, they cause terror secretly and confuse everyone
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On March 21 2014 10:04 zev318 wrote:
seperate question, it says that the area is a busy shipping area, what route would go that far south?
That far south prob. nothing, but a bit north is Eu <-> Australia
is there a way to resize pics? that wiki thing is huge.
On March 21 2014 10:31 Xinzoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. It's new-meta terrorism. Instead of causing trouble in public, they cause terror secretly and confuse everyone
damn it. postmodernists everywhere.
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On March 21 2014 10:04 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 09:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. All that being said I think people should stop insisting that the pilot/s were probably terrorists if it turns out that there was a catastrophic failure and the pilots last actions were a heroic effort to divert the plane to a safer path or whatever it will show just how disgusting it is that so many would have defamed a potentially innocent person to such an insane degree, all in the interest of speculation unless the plane was carrying 237 nukes instead of people, there is no reason for a "safer path" all the way to south indian ocean (if indeed that's where it is) where it makes it harder to find the wreckage. seperate question, it says that the area is a busy shipping area, what route would go that far south?
Now I'm thinking they're simply mentioning the polygon border of shipping lines near Australia. The search area doesn't have to be directly on a line for the debris to be pulled out from the shipping lines by the currents into that area of the ocean.
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I don't think that if there was foul play involved that it is required to fit the mold of what we consider to be "terrorism." There could be plenty of reasons to steal a plane full of people other than crashing it into a building or otherwise creating some sort of immediate catastrophe.
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On March 21 2014 10:39 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 10:04 zev318 wrote:
seperate question, it says that the area is a busy shipping area, what route would go that far south? That far south prob. nothing, but a bit north is Eu <-> Australiais there a way to resize pics? that wiki thing is huge. Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 10:31 Xinzoe wrote:On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. It's new-meta terrorism. Instead of causing trouble in public, they cause terror secretly and confuse everyone damn it. postmodernists everywhere.
Think you guys misunderstood my point. My point was that it is incredibly unlikely it was terrorism. An auxiliary point I was making was that despite it probably not being terrorism, previous terrorist acts have succeeded in making people overreact causing shock waves of social and economic damage. Although kudos for the American media capitalizing on tragedy to speculate endlessly and not let the potential profit from this tragedy get away.
As for the legitimacy of the threat terrorism like planes flying into stuff is a joke on the "potential threat scale" in the big picture.
Particularly for Americans. You are more likely to die from about half a dozen other things before dinner than you are from a terrorist. Yet we spend billions "protecting ourselves" from them. If "protecting Americans" even had a little to do with it the time and money would be spent elsewhere.
I feel like people have almost gotten to the point of rooting for the idea that it was terrorism because they just like that story more than the boring old ending of just mechanical/electrical failure.
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Wild guess is the captain has something to do with this. He built flight simulator at home and has history of breaking airlines protocol by opening the cockpit for girl passengers. Security and tracking devices has been manually shut down on board probably by an expert on planes like him.
We just pray that all passengers is safe. And the plane just landed on a hidden location just in Thailand or Malaysia.
Just a wild wild guess.
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This is the kind of stuff I am talking about. When millions of Americans watch this and hear it echoed all over certain media outlets it just dumps lighter fluid on their ignorance.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2014/03/20/rudy-giulianis-take-search-missing-flight-370
"Well, I mean, it -- it's becomes clearer and clearer that this is a deliberate act."
"Problem is, we still don't know what that plan is. We don't know what purpose they had in mind. Obviously, it was a nefarious purpose, and it was obviously done by experts, people who knew this plane intimately. Communications -- all the communications just didn't just get cut off by accident. That had to be done on purpose. The turn was pre-programmed. The co-pilot gave that "Good night" signal after the turn already happened.
I mean, these are all facts that point to some kind of a deliberate plan to do this"
"So the facts that we're working with, it would be hard to understand, you know, just exactly how it got to Pakistan, what it's doing there, why it wasn't tracked there. Or the Israelis, their concern that maybe it's either in Iran or under control or some of the groups that Iran controls."
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On March 21 2014 11:57 GreenHorizons wrote:This is the kind of stuff I am talking about. When millions of Americans watch this and hear it echoed all over certain media outlets it just dumps lighter fluid on their ignorance. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2014/03/20/rudy-giulianis-take-search-missing-flight-370"Well, I mean, it -- it's becomes clearer and clearer that this is a deliberate act." "Problem is, we still don't know what that plan is. We don't know what purpose they had in mind. Obviously, it was a nefarious purpose, and it was obviously done by experts, people who knew this plane intimately. Communications -- all the communications just didn't just get cut off by accident. That had to be done on purpose. The turn was pre-programmed. The co-pilot gave that "Good night" signal after the turn already happened. I mean, these are all facts that point to some kind of a deliberate plan to do this"
I don't what you're trying to say. Yes it's fox news but this time they are actually correct. I lean towards something like a hijacking happening and then some kind of struggle and the eventual crash into the ocean imo.
Am I being ignorant because I believe something happened onboard that wasn't an accident based on the evidence we have?
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On March 21 2014 11:40 kahuynon712 wrote:
Wild guess is the captain has something to do with this. He built flight simulator at home and has history of breaking airlines protocol by opening the cockpit for girl passengers. Security and tracking devices has been manually shut down on board probably by an expert on planes like him.
We just pray that all passengers is safe. And the plane just landed on a hidden location just in Thailand or Malaysia.
Just a wild wild guess.
Pilots do that sort of thing all the time. Many of them enjoy flying which is why they have flight simulators. The airports he had programmed in are very scenic airports. Its also been shown that for a person in the cockpit, shutting down these devices and setting a waypoint are not actually particularly hard to do. These planes can fly themselves, everything except takeoff and landing. In the US it would be hard to break into a cockpit but other airlines are less strict about keeping them locked up.
On March 21 2014 11:27 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 10:39 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 10:04 zev318 wrote:
seperate question, it says that the area is a busy shipping area, what route would go that far south? That far south prob. nothing, but a bit north is Eu <-> Australiais there a way to resize pics? that wiki thing is huge. On March 21 2014 10:31 Xinzoe wrote:On March 21 2014 08:31 Hryul wrote:On March 21 2014 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 21 2014 07:29 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 06:34 maartendq wrote:On March 21 2014 05:47 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Man, this is like some Bermuda triangle shit at this point. If this was an act of terrorism, or kidnapping, it's strange that nobody has come forward with demands. I guess this will be turned into a movie whether or not the plane is discovered. So much intrigue...
I only hope there are survivors.
I'm reminded of the true-to-life movie Alive where a plane crashes and the plane itself is never found until the survivors appear all of a sudden. What if it did go down over a mountain range or some rural area / swamp, and the survivors are struggling to make contact with civilization right now while people argue over the politics of the pilot and search the ocean along the possible trajectories of the plane before they lost contact?
Crazy shit... it's the 21st century and we can't find 239 people on a machine rigged with millions of dollars worth of tracking technology. I think I read an interview with some marine officers who basically said that people have gotten way so used to the idea of GPS being able to find anything within minutes that they fail to realise that the Indian Ocean is an incredibly vast surface of water. If the aircraft really did have its tracking technology disabled it coud be years before we find it, especially if it sank all the way to the bottom of the sea. It's against human nature to accept that sometimes shit just happens, so we just keep looking, in the meantime blaming people and circumstances without even the slightest modicum of proof. My personal, and unprofessional opinion is that the plane landed intact somewhere and the passengers are still quite possibly alive. It doesn't make any sense to me to go through all the trouble of making the plane "disappear" in plain sight only to fly it into the ocean. A pilot with a suicide wish wouldn't need to do all that. I'm expecting the Australian findings to be another false alarm. Well at this point this event is inciting several countries to spend millions and millions of dollars which is actually the intention of terrorist attacks anyway; so if it was terrorism it's already been more effective than most attacks. If not it shows us yet again our paranoia around terrorism is far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. terrorists want to spread terror. There isn't much terror spread atm. it is literally different from all terrorist attacks i know of. What would be the point to let a plane vanish anyway from the pov of a terrorist? the search may be expensive, but it's not ruining any country. It's new-meta terrorism. Instead of causing trouble in public, they cause terror secretly and confuse everyone damn it. postmodernists everywhere. Think you guys misunderstood my point. My point was that it is incredibly unlikely it was terrorism. An auxiliary point I was making was that despite it probably not being terrorism, previous terrorist acts have succeeded in making people overreact causing shock waves of social and economic damage. Although kudos for the American media capitalizing on tragedy to speculate endlessly and not let the potential profit from this tragedy get away. As for the legitimacy of the threat terrorism like planes flying into stuff is a joke on the "potential threat scale" in the big picture. Particularly for Americans. You are more likely to die from about half a dozen other things before dinner than you are from a terrorist. Yet we spend billions "protecting ourselves" from them. If "protecting Americans" even had a little to do with it the time and money would be spent elsewhere. I feel like people have almost gotten to the point of rooting for the idea that it was terrorism because they just like that story more than the boring old ending of just mechanical/electrical failure.
"I hold the world but as the world, Gratiano;
A stage where every man must play a part,
And mine a sad one."
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First, the impression left by the segment is not that anything went wrong on this terrorism master plot. So my point is that ignorant people hearing that nonsense have their ignorance emboldened and hurts sensible people
Yes by definition you are ignorant, as much of what has been passed as 'fact' or 'knowledge' in this instance has been debunked or altered at some point.
To 'believe' anything happened besides a plane is missing is based completely on conjecture and worth as about as much ink as it takes to write.
Speculate all you like I mean its a board. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that your speculations are ignorant and potentially hurtful.
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You really aren't making a lot of sense, ignorance implies that one should know the truth given the information at hand, or that they have turned a blind eye to what others have seen. Are you some kind of aviation expert who is more qualified to offer an opinion on what might have happened in that cockpit than the fox news correspondent?
I have no idea how you think that news broadcast could be "harmful". its just some guy suggesting what might have happened.
Also nice jab at America, glad you had the time to throw that in there
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