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The Berlin really is a very drawish opening. The win Carlsen got out of it didn't really have to do anything with the opening . You could have gotten that Rook and Pawn ending from hundreds of other openings.
But i still don't get why Anand chose e4 yesterday and the Berlin today. In my opinion he should' have gone for d4 yesterday and the sicilian today. The commentators brought the thought up that he just wants to consolidate, but he really doesn't have room for that in the Bo12 format. For me it looks like he has already given up his title.
I mean it doesn't really matter if he goes all in and blows all the games now, if he continues to play like he does he has about zero chances of winning.
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On November 20 2013 08:57 Poetic[AoV] wrote: Is there a good place where a pretty nooby guy who is interested could go to learn about things like common openings and their effect, different strategies, endgame scenarios etc? I feel that knowing more about this stuff would allow me to enjoy the match a lot more! Although even I could see how boring and unambitious the last game was...
The good news is that there are a *ton* of resources available on the internet.
For overviews on openings, there are a bunch of youtube "overviews" that cover really basic opening lines. This channel comes to mind, but be aware that learning openings as a newer player (beyond basic principles) is often a complete waste of time. It's just a giant cluster-fuck of theory you really won't understand, and it really won't help you improve. If you really don't know much about opening basics, consider a video like this + Show Spoiler +.
As for mid-game strategy, there's also a ton of it available, but it's hard to find something very coherent and organized for a newer player. If you are willing to buy a book, I would 100% recommend The Amateur's Mind, by Jeremy Silman. It's a fantastic, accessible primer on mid-game strategy for a player who understands chess basics but wants to improve.
As for endgames, it depends what you're looking for. If you're looking for very basic endgames (basic pawn endgames, checkmates, etc), consider the chess.com endgame playlist. If you want something a little more advanced/strategic, this youtube channel is fantastic.
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I would also suggest getting the program Chessmasters: Grandmasters Edition. It is a very well done learning program, it's easy to use, and the lessons it contains are great for beginners (and you can easily get it for free online).
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I wouldnt understand the point for Anand to play for draws so he loses with "only" 2 losses. Losing by 1 or by 6 ultimately doesnt matter, you still lose. He really doesnt have anything to lose at this point so he needs to start playing more agressive/risky.
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Question for all followers:
Poll: At this point with a 2-0 lead and 4 games to go, if you were Carlsen..I won this. I'd play safe lines and play for quick draws. End of story (37) 82% I'd go for another win and make it 3-0 (8) 18% 45 total votes Your vote: At this point with a 2-0 lead and 4 games to go, if you were Carlsen.. (Vote): I'd go for another win and make it 3-0 (Vote): I won this. I'd play safe lines and play for quick draws. End of story
Poll: If you were Anand, up to this point, you'dI'd die with my boots on! Play for the win all-in (37) 93% I rather keep my 0-2 loss and pack it in. Play for draws and end of story (3) 8% 40 total votes Your vote: If you were Anand, up to this point, you'd (Vote): I'd die with my boots on! Play for the win all-in (Vote): I rather keep my 0-2 loss and pack it in. Play for draws and end of story
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There's really no point to mitigating damage, is there? Unless he's worried about his elo ranking, which is really pointless. Go for the title, man.
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Carlsen is not the kind of player that will just sit back and let draws happen. I think he'll push for at least one more win in the next 4 games. Its just his nature.
As for Anand, it really does feel like he's packed it in, although there might be hope of some kind of impressive Game 9 opening with the rest day and all.
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I dno. If I was Anand in that last game I would be okay with a draw. With Carlsen with the white pieces and him having an edge over me, I'd be happy if I got a draw. Reason being that I really want to get to the 12th game and my best chance of making that happen is in tomorrows game (where Anand has the white) or on the 11th game. Plus there's a rest day today; it's the best time for Anand to stage a comeback.
Likelihood of that happening? Slim. But I'd be expecting Anand to be playing for a win come tomorrow and hopefully the game is going to be more interesting (well, I think that's almost a certainty).
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On November 19 2013 20:12 son1dow wrote: Why did Carlsen say he wasn't in a mood to think (regarding his fast moves) though? This is actually quite telling. There is no reason for Carlsen to struggle and think hard if Anand keeps handing him drawn positions and trading down. Carlsen can just take the draws and coast to victory. It's Anand's job to try and make Carlsen think, Anand's job to make Carlsen struggle, and instead it seems as though Anand has just given up completely. Maybe Anand is terrified of Carlsen, maybe he's lost all self confidence, and is merely trying to draw things to the end so it isn't a complete slaughter. That's what it seems like to me at least. Why would he play the Berlin in a must win situation? You could say it's because he had black, but he played equally dull with white the day before.
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You could certainly spin it that with 2 white games left for Anand, playing for a draw as black on Game 8 was an acceptable strategy.
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On November 20 2013 11:53 Plexa wrote: I dno. If I was Anand in that last game I would be okay with a draw. With Carlsen with the white pieces and him having an edge over me, I'd be happy if I got a draw. Reason being that I really want to get to the 12th game and my best chance of making that happen is in tomorrows game (where Anand has the white) or on the 11th game. Plus there's a rest day today; it's the best time for Anand to stage a comeback.
Likelihood of that happening? Slim. But I'd be expecting Anand to be playing for a win come tomorrow and hopefully the game is going to be more interesting (well, I think that's almost a certainty).
I would think that if he wasn't playing so ridiculous passive as the White pieces as well. He really doesn't have enough games to fool around, he needs to play non-drawish lines in all his game. It really just feels like he's given up entirely.
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On November 20 2013 11:53 Plexa wrote: I dno. If I was Anand in that last game I would be okay with a draw. With Carlsen with the white pieces and him having an edge over me, I'd be happy if I got a draw. Reason being that I really want to get to the 12th game and my best chance of making that happen is in tomorrows game (where Anand has the white) or on the 11th game. Plus there's a rest day today; it's the best time for Anand to stage a comeback.
Likelihood of that happening? Slim. But I'd be expecting Anand to be playing for a win come tomorrow and hopefully the game is going to be more interesting (well, I think that's almost a certainty).
I agree with this 100%. Anand took the draw because he thinks his best chances lie with white and he can't take the risk of being 3-0 down. If Anand played the Sicilian he could have run into some nasty preparation where Carlsen could have played for a win without too many risks to himself.
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If I was Anand, I'd play to draw with Black and win with White. I'd get as much sharp play as possible with many pieces on the board. Look to score some surprise wins with cunning, because even monsters fall.
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On November 20 2013 14:01 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 11:53 Plexa wrote: I dno. If I was Anand in that last game I would be okay with a draw. With Carlsen with the white pieces and him having an edge over me, I'd be happy if I got a draw. Reason being that I really want to get to the 12th game and my best chance of making that happen is in tomorrows game (where Anand has the white) or on the 11th game. Plus there's a rest day today; it's the best time for Anand to stage a comeback.
Likelihood of that happening? Slim. But I'd be expecting Anand to be playing for a win come tomorrow and hopefully the game is going to be more interesting (well, I think that's almost a certainty). I would think that if he wasn't playing so ridiculous passive as the White pieces as well. He really doesn't have enough games to fool around, he needs to play non-drawish lines in all his game. It really just feels like he's given up entirely. Sure, but his last white game was after a loss with white and losing two games in a row. Admittedly, that was an opportune time to play for a win but that game looked like he was playing for a draw. Possibly just to stabilise himself after losing two back to back games. This next game is really his best chance. If he wants to stay with 1. e4 I don't think he can really keep provoking the Berlin from Carlsen -- something a little more lively is probably called for, 2. d4 maybe? I don't know, e4 always seemed boring when I was active :3 I would much prefer to see a 1. d4 game from him.
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On a related note, I've always loved this quote:
"The turning point in my career came with the realization that Black should play to win instead of just steering for equality." -Bobby Fischer
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On November 20 2013 08:57 Poetic[AoV] wrote: Is there a good place where a pretty nooby guy who is interested could go to learn about things like common openings and their effect, different strategies, endgame scenarios etc? I feel that knowing more about this stuff would allow me to enjoy the match a lot more! Although even I could see how boring and unambitious the last game was... There are tons of useful links in this thread /shameless self-promotion.
Also, you can look up for some lectures by YouTube commentators who explain good games move by move. Off the top of my head, there are guys like Daniel King, Andrew Martin, Tryfon Gavriel aka Kingscrusher, Karsten Mueller (endgame expert) etc.
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I'm surprised nobody mentions seanggodley. I really enjoy his chess videos.
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A little bit off-topic, but I just can't believe Nakamuras twitter picture:
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It's a joke, right?
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On November 20 2013 17:00 Arnstein wrote:A little bit off-topic, but I just can't believe Nakamuras twitter picture: + Show Spoiler +It's a joke, right? Why? I don't get the reference (if there is one). Other than that it's just a chubby man of Japanese descent, sitting in reverse and leaning over the back rest of a probably uncomfortable chair.
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It's just very cheesy, and a bordering on satirical attempt at cool guy meets patriotism. It does look like a big joke. But I think Nakamura might not think so
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