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On November 14 2013 07:10 Nyxisto wrote:I don't think Carlsen misplayed after Bxa2, but i do not get Kc3 by Anand later in the game. It disturbs the connection of his rooks, and allows Carlsens rook to come in on f3. What was so terrible about e3?Sure, but he suffered quite a bit in the games against Hikaru. To say that he's jealous of Carlsen is quite the exaggeration when it comes to comparing their playing strength.
Nothing, but it was the difference between a total draw and a total draw, so picking on that is pretty unimportant.
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On November 14 2013 07:10 Nyxisto wrote:I don't think Carlsen misplayed after Bxa2, but i do not get Kc3 by Anand later in the game. It disturbs the connection of his rooks, and allows Carlsens rook to come in on f3. What was so terrible about e3? Sure, but he suffered quite a bit in the games against Hikaru. To say that he's jealous of Carlsen is quite the exaggeration when it comes to comparing their playing strength.
Nakamura is strong enough to beat Carlsen in any single game, as is every top player. But there's a huge difference in what these players have achieved. Carlsen is a world championship challenger, No.1 in the rating list for the last 3 years and won over a dozen tournaments at the highest level. Nakamura is nr 4 on the rating list and has some good finishes in super-tournaments (no wins though?)
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Nakamura definitely dislikes Carlsen lol. When he plays in tournaments with Carlsen and finishes his game earlier than him, he tends to turn up on ICC and start kibitzing about how Carlsen's position is bad. Then when Carlsen wins he starts whining about how horrible his opponents are playing and that they're just handing him wins. :D
I do think there's some jealousy involved, but ah well. Nakamura's an extremely strong player with a bright future in front of him.
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Nakamura does tend to talk a lot of shit, especially over the internet.
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I went to bed at move 30. I thought with so much attacking play from white available and moves from black that could open the game wide open, there was no way there would be a draw. Somewhere, somehow, one side would be presented with a choice between two bad moves and the other side would take a good passed pawn advantage or win a piece for a victory later. How wrong I was.
It felt for ages that Carlsen that the queenside pawn structure he destroyed with his yolo-bishop would generate fruit once black got his bishop and rooks a little more activated. Now I see ... Anand never let him do that when it mattered.
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On November 14 2013 06:11 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 06:06 TLisNot4politics wrote:
As much as I hate seeing Carlsen throw away an advantage, this was an excellent game, definitely worth the 6 hours I spent watching it. I suspect the time and pressure took a big toll on Anand today, and he's going to get worn down eventually. Carlson "throwing away an advantage" is kinda harsh
Engines show Carlsen had a ~+0.88 advantage at a couple points, which is significant, and at least a +0.50 for most of the match. Carlsen himself said he had a winning advantage and lost it. Harsh or not, it's accurate.
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just finished the vods, amazing stuff.
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Its whites turn here. Wouldn't Pe7 be the best move?
To me it gaurentees a rook piece and your pawn will become a queen. even if its immediatly killed the trade seems worth it to me.
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e7 isn't a legal move because he's in check, but that was the situation i was mentioning before. Why not e3 here?
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On November 14 2013 11:33 Nyxisto wrote:
e7 isn't a legal move because he's in check, but that was the situation i was mentioning before. Why not e3 here?
Yes I see that now hahaha. watching the replay in quick motion i missed that that was the king....doh
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This diagram actually shows why White wasn't going 41. Ke3. If it's played, Black can always go 41...Bb5 and if 42. e7 Rd3+ 43. Ke2 Rd4+ 44. Ke3 Rd3+ 45. Ke2 etc. forces a perpetual check immediately (if 44. Ke1?? Rf1 checkmate). But when White King is on b2, there's no real risk of losing even in a 2 pawns vs 1 endgame on the Queenside, so by playing this, Vishy kept the game going with some chances for Magnus to make a mistake that might eventually win the game for White.
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42. e7 is not a good move, instead of perpetual check Black's rook can come back to d7 with a discovered attack. White would be down 2 pawns.
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On November 14 2013 17:58 urboss wrote:
42. e7 is not a good move, instead of perpetual check White's rook can come back to d7 with a discovered attack
? You mean Black Rook? Even if so, in 41. Ke3 42. e7 variation, both e7-pawn and c7-Rook are protected and the Rook exchange is off the cards because Rf8 is hanging. So dropping Black Rook back to d7 accomplishes virtually nothing.
At least from what I can see...
Oh, you mean something like 41...Bb5 42. e7 Rd3+ 43. Ke2 Rd7+ 44. Ke3 Rh8? I can't see it clearly, but perhaps 45. Nf6?
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Yeah, I meant Black's rook.
The important point is that after 44. ... Re8 45. Nf6 black can take the pawn on e7 with check..
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Why didn't Carlsen go 42. Rd7? What could've Anand done?
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On November 14 2013 18:42 Kishin2 wrote:
Why didn't Carlsen go 42. Rd7? What could've Anand done?
Carlsen was black. 42. Rd7 is illegal due to it not getting the white king out of check.
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It's funny that in all the games so far Black was doing better than White.
They need to change the rules for the Armageddon match:
Black needs to win and for White a draw should be enough to win.
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Can't believe I enjoy that so much currently watching the vod (!). I see so many similarities with starcraft!
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I am just a little disappointed that Carlsen didn't go for 32. Rd8, there was this small window of opportunity to bring the second rook to the fore with Carlsen still on the attack, but what do I know. 32 Rf4 wasn't a bad move either, I guess.
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