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SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
November 12 2013 05:43 GMT
#161
On November 11 2013 00:58 Voyage wrote:
The TEDx Talk to end all talks:


Reception was mostly positive:
http://www.dailydot.com/lol/comedian-troll-tedx-drexel/

http://gawker.com/comedian-gives-ted-talks-the-pranking-they-desperately-1443673155


I'm sorry but that guy failed on so many levels haha.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 22:13:02
November 12 2013 21:55 GMT
#162
On October 24 2013 06:53 unkkz wrote:
Video game addiction does not exist simply be cause video games is not a single thing to be addicted to. Is it the social aspect? Sense of accomplishment? The actual gameplay? The need to collect stuff? Etc. I have interviewed psychologists that treat people with video game problems and that is what they say for one.



Bullshit. Any good psychologist would tell you that a person, if predisposed, with the correct genes, can and usually will find their addiction of choice and love it. And yes you can basically be addicted to anything.

To put it simply, addiction is defined by its consequences. If you have problems with finances, family, friends, health, etc. etc. as a result of staying home to play games even though you may know that you should not be playing them yet still do. That is definitely defined as addiction. (remember there are gamers reported in the news who died from overgaming etc)


BOT, I think the op video sort of missed the mark on the insight and understanding. It was more of a personal struggle story that, no doubt, he is still dealing with. Trying to rationalize it. Common for addicts to do.

On October 24 2013 07:28 obesechicken13 wrote:
I read this guys blog a few years back. He sounds like one of those life motivators who make money tricking people into thinking that his advice is helping them. Here it is by the way:
http://kingpinlifestyle.com/how-to-quit-playing-video-games/

His advice wasn't really any better for me. I didn't find anything I wanted to spend my time doing at home. Getting a hobby like making toothpick sculptures is just as unproductive as gaming. Not too relevant, but he looks like a scumbag the way he wears his hat, which instantly makes me not trust him.


Well, whatever it may be the advice he gives is what people in the addiction community call 'white knuckling', where you quit cold turkey with no help or group/sponsor to help and guide you. It can work, often after many relapse, but even if you do it fucks with your emotional well being, depression, anxiety, anger, etc.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
November 12 2013 22:03 GMT
#163
Amm you do realize that Video game addiction is either an excuse or a symptom not the disease
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 23:55:03
November 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#164
On October 24 2013 07:28 Thorakh wrote:
You get 'addicted' to video games because you are lonely and have no friends, because you are bullied and do not like going out, because you have social anxiety, you are depressed, have no motivation, etc. Those underlying problems should be addressed, trying to quit video games is useless as fuck because the void that they filled up will still be there.


That's pretty common with any addiction. Childhood traumas, abuse, victimization, etc. That's part of the treatment in addiction because it is so common, and why a lot of treatment doesn't involve drugs or medicines. It involves therapy and management techniques.

Also, there are many people who look fine on paper and are still addicts as well. They don't have a
void' to fill, by your definition, so should we let them continue their addiction until it becomes a problem? (this is actually a highly controversial issue)

PS- Video games as a whole are not good/bad. In the same way drugs are not good/bad. It just depends on the person, application, doseage, etc. Every person knows opiates are very very good at highjacking the brain receptors and drive functions and can kill you (overdose/infections/suicide), but no one in their right mind would try and ban them outright because they are highly useful and productive when properly managed. For 1, there is no single better thing for acute pain with zero lasting side effects to the body/mind than something like morphine. Even heroin as a drug won't cause any long term side effects or kill you if properly/safely taken.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
November 12 2013 23:56 GMT
#165
On October 24 2013 18:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 13:43 rd wrote:
On October 24 2013 11:13 aTnClouD wrote:
I believe this talk was horrible and pointless. I don't like the fact that he says he wants people to stop playing videogames because he failed at whatever he was doing and is using them as an excuse. I could also say that games did so much good to my life that they should be promoted as a school activity to teach better problem solving, communication and social skills. So who's right?


He never said people should stop playing video games.

His blog post is a guide to quit playing video games forever.

He does state it's only for people who want to quit forever though.

My problem with a lot of Ted talks is how everyone is so accepting of whatever the speaker says. The applause from your peers serves to make you want to fit in so you agree with them. It almost feels like a brainwashing session. I know that attending Ted talks is voluntary, but then again so is joining a cult.

Ted isn't a cult. But I just can't shake the feeling. I feel like the people who enjoy Ted, while not "weak", had a childhood where they were bullied or at least weren't popular and had to find solace in being smart or at least different. They like hearing about research and discussing ideas. They like to think they work to improve the world and that money isn't their primary incentive.

I guess I'm not the only person who feels this way either:
http://www.newstatesman.com/martin-robbins/2012/09/trouble-ted-talks
https://www.google.ca/search?q=is ted a cult&oq=is ted a cult

The more you watch Ted, the less you're able to disagree wtih Ted because your beliefs are changed by the things that you hear regardless of whether you agree with them.



If this were a Starcraft Ted talk, you'd hear how bogus what he's saying really is. The speaker is not preaching divine truth. He's trying to turn a profit. Addiction is a serious illness and you don't beat it by picking up a guitar and saying "I'll just play guitar from now on instead of gaming" like he did in his blog. You need outside help.

More examples of Ted being like a cult.
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Ironically on a Ted talk about cults.
http://www.ted.com/talks/ex_moonie_diane_benscoter_how_cults_think.html

I feel like you are talking about reddit
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 02:52:53
November 13 2013 02:49 GMT
#166
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.

Colbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada148 Posts
November 13 2013 12:14 GMT
#167
@ Thalandros - Exactly. I do think new experiences also entail other hobbies, but in your situation it sounds like everything is fine. I’m assuming games aren’t negatively impacting your grades or other responsibilities?

@ MarlieChurphy - Thanks for your input. I like that “addiction is defined by its consequences.”

The talk was a short snippet of my understanding. I’m sure you can understand that during a 6 minute presentation there’s a certain topic you focus on and that’s it. For me, it was encouraged to be my personal story. I’m unsure what “rationalization” you are talking about, nor do I still view myself as a gaming addict in any way.

This story happened many years ago and I’ve fully moved on to a new chapter in my life. The response from the article 2 years ago has been overwhelming, so I feel a responsibility to help shed light onto a community that is looking for help.

@ thezanursic - Thanks for your input.

@ SjPhotoGrapher - This is where you are fundamentally wrong:

The person I am speaking to in my article and my talk is someone who is addicted to playing video games and because of that is NOT happy.

I mean, take 2 minutes to read through the comments on the article and you’ll see very clearly: “I’m depressed playing games.” “I hate myself for continuing to play.” “I just want to stop and do something else.”

They AREN’T HAPPY.

And deserve help.

I also think it’s incredibly optimistic to consider that “all” of the greats in our society were addicts.

I also am absolutely not addicted to DJing. It’s been an activitiy that has replaced gaming except it’s entirely healthy and certainly a passion. That didn’t happen overnight but it’s without a doubt the case now. As an example, I’m currently traveling around Europe for 2 months and I have no access to my gear. I miss it but it hasn’t “negatively” impacted my life in any way.

Sorry to say but you’re off base on this. I understand the angle you’re pursuing but it’s simply not true.
Sometimes you win, Sometimes you learn
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
November 13 2013 15:55 GMT
#168
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.

Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
November 13 2013 20:26 GMT
#169
On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.



Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field.

Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed.

Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications.

Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.
KosQ
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany223 Posts
November 13 2013 23:36 GMT
#170
On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.



Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field.

Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed.

Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications.

Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.

So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 00:14:41
November 14 2013 00:12 GMT
#171
On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.



Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field.

Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed.

Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications.

Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.

So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh.


Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place.

Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money.

I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition.

I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God.

Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work.

If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc.

I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
November 14 2013 00:14 GMT
#172
It's been discussed to death about video game addiction - there is no such thing as that. Some guys are 'addicted' to playing basketball, parents encourage them to play as much as possible. Some girl is addicted/obsessed to some guy, people call it 'love'. Someone 'addicted' to drawing/playing music, society call that creativity.

Playing video game is unproductive but it is just like 99% of all the hobbies out there, 99% of the people are not going to be a NBA player or famous soccer. We are just living in a different era/generation, just that some people see that playing video game differently. A hobby is a hobby, excessive use of anything can be bad. As soon as one knows how to manage his time to do his work/study, i don't see any problem in anyone doing anything.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
November 14 2013 00:17 GMT
#173
On November 14 2013 09:14 BurningSera wrote:
It's been discussed to death about video game addiction - there is no such thing as that. Some guys are 'addicted' to playing basketball, parents encourage them to play as much as possible. Some girl is addicted/obsessed to some guy, people call it 'love'. Someone 'addicted' to drawing/playing music, society call that creativity.

Playing video game is unproductive but it is just like 99% of all the hobbies out there, 99% of the people are not going to be a NBA player or famous soccer. We are just living in a different era/generation, just that some people see that playing video game differently. A hobby is a hobby, excessive use of anything can be bad. As soon as one knows how to manage his time to do his work/study, i don't see any problem in anyone doing anything.


I agree with you 100%.

If someone was addicted to living a normal life and working a 9-5 and doing things in between that regular people do well than, they are an addict to living a normal life style.

If someone was addicted to working or being a good parent they also wouldn't be considered "addicts".

I also don't believe in this concept of things being a "waste of time", again, time is a man made concept, it does not exist in reality. How can one waste something that never existed in the first place?
KosQ
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany223 Posts
November 14 2013 09:39 GMT
#174
On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:
On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.



Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field.

Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed.

Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications.

Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.

So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh.


Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place.

Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money.

I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition.

I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God.

Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work.

If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc.

I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century.

After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live.

My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism.

I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to.

Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
November 14 2013 19:44 GMT
#175
On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:
On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.



Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field.

Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed.

Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications.

Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.

So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh.


Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place.

Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money.

I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition.

I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God.

Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work.

If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc.

I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century.

After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live.

My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism.

I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to.


@Photographer
I'd just like to say that I was diagnosed with ADHD aswell. It wasnt because I like playing video games, my doctor even said that video games dont cause my symptoms
Im basically just trying to say that not all doctors believe that. My doctors diagnosis was because I couldnt sit still for more than 20 minutes, and I was incredibly easily distracted (to the point that it was hard to do my job)
I have also been suffering from major depressive disorder (related to break-ups and I was predisposed)
My doctor has always argued that video games were a way to relieve stress, and if they became stressful, then it was a problem

Just my 2cents
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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 20:07:48
November 14 2013 20:06 GMT
#176
I'm just going to leave these here







These are really excellent discussions of video game addiction or compulsion. If you only watch one watch the second one, it's long but it's really powerful. The writer for extra credits goes on camera and just talks for 20 minutes about how he had been addicted to video games and the very real effects it had had on his life, but he also emphasizes that it always can get better and as he says "the real world welcomes you back".
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 21:42:36
November 14 2013 21:38 GMT
#177
On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:
On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.



Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field.

Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed.

Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications.

Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.

So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh.


Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place.

Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money.

I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition.

I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God.

Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work.

If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc.

I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century.

After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live.

My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism.

I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to.



I was only "diagnosed" with ADHD by school teachers and the school wanted to have me put on Ritilin. This was because I found school to be boring and mundane. Later on, I found out that they were diagnosing kids and telling them to see a Dr to be put on medication because the school systems were receiving kickbacks for doing so.

So I'm not actually ADD or ADHD, I just found school very boring.

Also, science now a days isn't just about finding problems, it's also about making stuff up (theories) and abusing the system by coming up with all of these new so called "illnesses".

On November 15 2013 04:44 Maasked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:
On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:
On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:
On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......

As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.

Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.

Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.

If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.

It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.



Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases.



Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field.

Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed.

Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications.

Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.

So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh.


Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place.

Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money.

I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition.

I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God.

Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work.

If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc.

I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century.

After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live.

My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism.

I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to.


@Photographer
I'd just like to say that I was diagnosed with ADHD aswell. It wasnt because I like playing video games, my doctor even said that video games dont cause my symptoms
Im basically just trying to say that not all doctors believe that. My doctors diagnosis was because I couldnt sit still for more than 20 minutes, and I was incredibly easily distracted (to the point that it was hard to do my job)
I have also been suffering from major depressive disorder (related to break-ups and I was predisposed)
My doctor has always argued that video games were a way to relieve stress, and if they became stressful, then it was a problem

Just my 2cents


You probably don't have ADHD though. Maybe you can't sit still because you like to be productive or have a vitamin/mineral deficiency. It has been shown that someone can cure their so called "ADHD" with meditation, Omega 3 intake, a long with other vitamin/minerals.

I would never take a medication for any of these problems though. The side effects are crazy and all of these problems can be fixed on your own or with the help of someone else, not with medication. Medication is only a bandaid.

Only a few medications actually fix the problem (think antibiotics), all other medications mask the problem.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 05:02:41
November 15 2013 05:01 GMT
#178


great discussion in here for sure
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Profile Joined August 2011
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November 15 2013 15:09 GMT
#179
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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 17:39:51
November 15 2013 17:32 GMT
#180
On November 14 2013 09:14 BurningSera wrote:
It's been discussed to death about video game addiction - there is no such thing as that. Some guys are 'addicted' to playing basketball, parents encourage them to play as much as possible. Some girl is addicted/obsessed to some guy, people call it 'love'. Someone 'addicted' to drawing/playing music, society call that creativity.

Playing video game is unproductive but it is just like 99% of all the hobbies out there, 99% of the people are not going to be a NBA player or famous soccer. We are just living in a different era/generation, just that some people see that playing video game differently. A hobby is a hobby, excessive use of anything can be bad. As soon as one knows how to manage his time to do his work/study, i don't see any problem in anyone doing anything.


Everything in moderation though. Some people are "addicted" to their jobs. It's called workaholism and it's a legitimate problem that destroys people's families. And for the people that are constantly glued to a screen, a brain scan shows the same type of patterns shown in someone addicted to drugs/alcohol. After a certain point any activity/behavior can cross into the territory of addiction/compulsion. Excessive handwashing, hoarding, cleaning, keeping everything organized all are symptoms of OCD. When the behavior/activity starts affecting the rest of your life in an obviously negative fashion, then you need to get help. And with a lot of these issues, medicine is not the answer; and a good mental health professional will be addressing the issues that led to the person becoming obsessed.
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