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On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......
As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.
Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.
Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.
If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.
It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.
Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases. Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field. Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed. Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications. Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track.
FYI an MD can have experience or specialization in psychiatry. Psychiatrists are MDs. And how can we diagnose anything unrelated to our field? What disease ISN'T related to the mental health/medical field? Like, by definition, a disease is part of that.
The people who have no experience and are diagnosing things unrelated to their field are those holistic healers you're telling people to go see.
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On November 15 2013 06:38 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......
As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.
Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.
Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.
If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.
It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.
Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases. Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field. Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed. Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications. Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track. So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh. Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place. Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money. I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition. I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God. Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work. If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc. I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century. After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live. My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism. I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to. I was only "diagnosed" with ADHD by school teachers and the school wanted to have me put on Ritilin. This was because I found school to be boring and mundane. Later on, I found out that they were diagnosing kids and telling them to see a Dr to be put on medication because the school systems were receiving kickbacks for doing so. So I'm not actually ADD or ADHD, I just found school very boring. Also, science now a days isn't just about finding problems, it's also about making stuff up (theories) and abusing the system by coming up with all of these new so called "illnesses". Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 04:44 Maasked wrote:On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......
As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.
Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.
Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.
If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.
It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.
Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases. Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field. Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed. Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications. Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track. So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh. Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place. Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money. I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition. I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God. Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work. If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc. I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century. After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live. My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism. I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to. @Photographer I'd just like to say that I was diagnosed with ADHD aswell. It wasnt because I like playing video games, my doctor even said that video games dont cause my symptoms Im basically just trying to say that not all doctors believe that. My doctors diagnosis was because I couldnt sit still for more than 20 minutes, and I was incredibly easily distracted (to the point that it was hard to do my job) I have also been suffering from major depressive disorder (related to break-ups and I was predisposed) My doctor has always argued that video games were a way to relieve stress, and if they became stressful, then it was a problem Just my 2cents You probably don't have ADHD though. Maybe you can't sit still because you like to be productive or have a vitamin/mineral deficiency. It has been shown that someone can cure their so called "ADHD" with meditation, Omega 3 intake, a long with other vitamin/minerals. I would never take a medication for any of these problems though. The side effects are crazy and all of these problems can be fixed on your own or with the help of someone else, not with medication. Medication is only a bandaid. Only a few medications actually fix the problem (think antibiotics), all other medications mask the problem.
God you are incredibly opinionated in a field where you have NO KNOWLEDGE.
There's so much wrong with your posts. You can't be diagnosed with a mental health disorder by a teacher, they can only provide the behavioral observations in school. Do you have any evidence for the claim that your school was getting kickbacks for referrals or are you just making shit up like the rest of your post is? Addicts are not addicts because they have a bipolar spectrum disorder or attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder; there's a high comorbidity but there's also a high comorbidity with breathing air. Can you even name "most mental diseases" that you claim are "not diseases"?
ADHD is a developmental delay or deficit in the cortical maturation of the brain that MUST happen before the age of 12. If you compare the physical size of the brain of an individual with ADHD and a control there is a marked difference in the physical size of many brain structures--primarily the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for executive function (or stuff like ability to delay gratification, attention, reward--stuff that people with ADHD struggle with).
This isn't shit you can "cure" or "fix" because it's just a lack or delay in development that was supposed to happen at a certain age.
We can TREAT it pharmacologically. The therapeutic effect of methylphenidate (ritalin) and amphetamine (adderall) is twofold--it treats the symptoms and, probably more importantly, over a long period of time it actually has been found to enlarge some of the areas which are underdeveloped. In normal people this produces abnormally large brain structures. In children with ADHD it makes parts of their brains look normal.
Just because YOU THINK someone misdiagnosed you once doesn't mean you're an expert on psychology, psychiatry, or ADHD. You're spreading misinformation and personal bias as fact, and it's against medical opinion.
STOP POSTING OUT OF YOUR ASS, YOU'RE NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
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Okay, I took a deep breath and I calmed down. I would like to take this opportunity to dispel any of your paranoid beliefs based on bias and misinformation. Please ask me about anything you think is wrong with the practice of mental health and I'll do my best to explain it to you without condescending or insulting you further UNLESS you keep posting like you have been, in which case I'll probably mix insults in because I'm very passionate about the field I'm getting my doctorate in. [/edit]
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@ BurningSera - It’s not that I disagree with you, but if someone “can’t” manage their time properly, what would you suggest for them?
@ ZERG_RUSSIAN - Thanks for being around to correct any misinformation out there. 
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On November 16 2013 05:34 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 06:38 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......
As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.
Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.
Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.
If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.
It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.
Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases. Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field. Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed. Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications. Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track. So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh. Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place. Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money. I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition. I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God. Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work. If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc. I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century. After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live. My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism. I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to. I was only "diagnosed" with ADHD by school teachers and the school wanted to have me put on Ritilin. This was because I found school to be boring and mundane. Later on, I found out that they were diagnosing kids and telling them to see a Dr to be put on medication because the school systems were receiving kickbacks for doing so. So I'm not actually ADD or ADHD, I just found school very boring. Also, science now a days isn't just about finding problems, it's also about making stuff up (theories) and abusing the system by coming up with all of these new so called "illnesses". On November 15 2013 04:44 Maasked wrote:On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......
As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.
Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.
Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.
If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.
It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.
Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases. Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field. Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed. Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications. Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track. So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh. Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place. Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money. I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition. I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God. Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work. If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc. I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century. After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live. My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism. I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to. @Photographer I'd just like to say that I was diagnosed with ADHD aswell. It wasnt because I like playing video games, my doctor even said that video games dont cause my symptoms Im basically just trying to say that not all doctors believe that. My doctors diagnosis was because I couldnt sit still for more than 20 minutes, and I was incredibly easily distracted (to the point that it was hard to do my job) I have also been suffering from major depressive disorder (related to break-ups and I was predisposed) My doctor has always argued that video games were a way to relieve stress, and if they became stressful, then it was a problem Just my 2cents You probably don't have ADHD though. Maybe you can't sit still because you like to be productive or have a vitamin/mineral deficiency. It has been shown that someone can cure their so called "ADHD" with meditation, Omega 3 intake, a long with other vitamin/minerals. I would never take a medication for any of these problems though. The side effects are crazy and all of these problems can be fixed on your own or with the help of someone else, not with medication. Medication is only a bandaid. Only a few medications actually fix the problem (think antibiotics), all other medications mask the problem. God you are incredibly opinionated in a field where you have NO KNOWLEDGE. There's so much wrong with your posts. You can't be diagnosed with a mental health disorder by a teacher, they can only provide the behavioral observations in school. Do you have any evidence for the claim that your school was getting kickbacks for referrals or are you just making shit up like the rest of your post is? Addicts are not addicts because they have a bipolar spectrum disorder or attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder; there's a high comorbidity but there's also a high comorbidity with breathing air. Can you even name "most mental diseases" that you claim are "not diseases"? ADHD is a developmental delay or deficit in the cortical maturation of the brain that MUST happen before the age of 12. If you compare the physical size of the brain of an individual with ADHD and a control there is a marked difference in the physical size of many brain structures--primarily the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for executive function (or stuff like ability to delay gratification, attention, reward--stuff that people with ADHD struggle with). This isn't shit you can "cure" or "fix" because it's just a lack or delay in development that was supposed to happen at a certain age. We can TREAT it pharmacologically. The therapeutic effect of methylphenidate (ritalin) and amphetamine (adderall) is twofold--it treats the symptoms and, probably more importantly, over a long period of time it actually has been found to enlarge some of the areas which are underdeveloped. In normal people this produces abnormally large brain structures. In children with ADHD it makes parts of their brains look normal. Just because YOU THINK someone misdiagnosed you once doesn't mean you're an expert on psychology, psychiatry, or ADHD. You're spreading misinformation and personal bias as fact, and it's against medical opinion. STOP POSTING OUT OF YOUR ASS, YOU'RE NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL[edit] Okay, I took a deep breath and I calmed down. I would like to take this opportunity to dispel any of your paranoid beliefs based on bias and misinformation. Please ask me about anything you think is wrong with the practice of mental health and I'll do my best to explain it to you without condescending or insulting you further UNLESS you keep posting like you have been, in which case I'll probably mix insults in because I'm very passionate about the field I'm getting my doctorate in. [/edit]
Go on and continue being a slave to the system believing that prescribing medications "fixes" problems and a layman came along and pointed out that medications are basically band aids in pill form.
Yes it's true that ADD/ADHD can be cured through natural means such as meditating, taking supplements, and exercising a long with reading. The mind can grow at any age.
By the way, you may say that you're an MD but anyone can say they're anything....after all, this is the internet.
You're just angry because you're a slave working under a system that is corrupt, can;t blame you for that.
Also, most MD's don't specialize in psychiatry. if you had half a brain you would know that most physicians don't specialize and if you go to a clinic most of the MD's are not specialists nor psychiatrists and they will prescribe patients mental health based medications.
All the best .
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^ Can we stop derailing this thread with the anti-medicine agenda? Getting really sick of this nonsense Take it to private messages and stop turning a good discussion about video game "addiction" into an agenda.
On November 16 2013 05:34 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 06:38 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......
As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.
Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.
Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.
If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.
It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.
Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases. Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field. Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed. Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications. Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track. So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh. Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place. Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money. I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition. I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God. Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work. If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc. I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century. After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live. My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism. I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to. I was only "diagnosed" with ADHD by school teachers and the school wanted to have me put on Ritilin. This was because I found school to be boring and mundane. Later on, I found out that they were diagnosing kids and telling them to see a Dr to be put on medication because the school systems were receiving kickbacks for doing so. So I'm not actually ADD or ADHD, I just found school very boring. Also, science now a days isn't just about finding problems, it's also about making stuff up (theories) and abusing the system by coming up with all of these new so called "illnesses". On November 15 2013 04:44 Maasked wrote:On November 14 2013 18:39 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 08:36 KosQ wrote:On November 14 2013 05:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 14 2013 00:55 NEOtheONE wrote:On November 13 2013 11:49 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
To be honest I knew that the OP was in on it for the money all a long and is trying to turn a profit......
As someone that has read a ton of books about marketing and runs two businesses applying said knowledge, public speaking is up there with getting publicized in the news when it comes to marketing and generating leads/business.
Someone with an addictive personality will just go from being addicted to video games to being addicted to DJing or playing the guitar. It's that simple.
Heck, all of the greats in our history were all addicts. Albert Einstein was addicted to science, it's only when you don't contribute to society with that "addiction" that the medical community is quick to diagnose it as a problem and make a buck on it prescribing Prozac among other things.
If someone wants to be addicted to video games....let them. At least they're enjoying something. If they want to quit their "addiction" badly enough they will let it go on their own terms. Chances are they will become addicted to something else however.
It's also noteworthy to note that most "addicts" are "addicts" because they are "bipolar" or have "ADD". The reason why I quote both of these things is that I believe that both can be corrected through meditation and diet/vitamins and are blown out by the medical industry as to who has them.
Statements like these are why people who need actual mental health help are reluctant to get the help they need. Please take the time to actually learn about how good mental health professionals do their job before making any more gross assumptions. Also, the medical community and the mental health community are two distinct entities. The medical community should not be diagnosing mental heath issues just as much as the mental health professionals should not diagnose physical issues/diseases. Too bad that the mental health/medical health community do diagnose things unrelated to their field. Go to a MD with depression and you will be prescribed anti depressants guaranteed. Also I don't believe in medical care when it comes to mental health or physical health, to those in the field it's all about the money, making quick diagnoses, and getting kick backs from prescribing medications. Those that have "mental health" problems should go see a holistic healer and rely on meditation instead of medication to get themselves back on track. So basically you don't "believe" in science? Or why else would you put "mental health" problems in quotation marks and suggest that mental health problems should be treated with meditation instead of scientific methods. If that is the case, there is no real point in further discussion tbh. Science is a man made concept, just an understanding of what the universe, God, or whatever entity outside of the universe out of this reality set in place to get everything moving along sort of like how a game is just a programmed construct with rules set in place. Also, I put quotation marks around mental health because most of the mental "diseases" out there are truly not disease and are just ways for big pharma to make more money. I don't even watch TV but big pharma already owns the commercials on National Television. The last time that I checked they have a new "disorder" called late shift syndrome or some BS like that and they have prescription pills for those with this so called condition. I was also diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 8 and my mom refused to let them put me on Ritalin thank God. Like I said, if you do not follow the social standard of wanting to be a robot and asleep like most people working a 9-5 "they" will find a diagnosis for you and will put you on pills to make money and get you back on the road to making more money for the system......that's just the way things work. If you play video games too much because you enjoy them most doctors will prescribe you an SSRI or ADD medication (or both) and say that it's a sign of depression, anxiety, or ADHD, bipolar, etc etc. I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century. After hearing that you were diagnosed with ADHD, I can actually see where your opinion is coming from. I won't disagree with the statement, that there are many people out there just for the money - as in most other areas. Do you happen to live in the USA? I have never seen commercials that want to sell anything other than headache medicine where I live. My problem though is that you seem to be linking the misbehaviour and greediness of the medical industry which, ultimately, wants to make a profit for their shareholders/themselves to the scientific method of solving problems. I agree that in many fields, especially in medicine and the treatment of mental disorders, it is far from complete. But, and I think this is important, it is best way to achieve real solutions or at least an understandment of the topic. It uses, e.g. in the field of medicine, large groups of people to verify or disprove the effect of an agent and is always open for new input and criticism. I think it comes down to: Science only finds solutions to problems (e.g. if you can't concentrate, x and y are proven to achieve the best results with our understanding so far), how and in what cases you use this knowledge is a seperate field and, especially in the cases you are describing, have much to do with society/social standards and what type of doctor you come to. @Photographer I'd just like to say that I was diagnosed with ADHD aswell. It wasnt because I like playing video games, my doctor even said that video games dont cause my symptoms Im basically just trying to say that not all doctors believe that. My doctors diagnosis was because I couldnt sit still for more than 20 minutes, and I was incredibly easily distracted (to the point that it was hard to do my job) I have also been suffering from major depressive disorder (related to break-ups and I was predisposed) My doctor has always argued that video games were a way to relieve stress, and if they became stressful, then it was a problem Just my 2cents You probably don't have ADHD though. Maybe you can't sit still because you like to be productive or have a vitamin/mineral deficiency. It has been shown that someone can cure their so called "ADHD" with meditation, Omega 3 intake, a long with other vitamin/minerals. I would never take a medication for any of these problems though. The side effects are crazy and all of these problems can be fixed on your own or with the help of someone else, not with medication. Medication is only a bandaid. Only a few medications actually fix the problem (think antibiotics), all other medications mask the problem. God you are incredibly opinionated in a field where you have NO KNOWLEDGE. There's so much wrong with your posts. You can't be diagnosed with a mental health disorder by a teacher, they can only provide the behavioral observations in school. Do you have any evidence for the claim that your school was getting kickbacks for referrals or are you just making shit up like the rest of your post is? Addicts are not addicts because they have a bipolar spectrum disorder or attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder; there's a high comorbidity but there's also a high comorbidity with breathing air. Can you even name "most mental diseases" that you claim are "not diseases"? ADHD is a developmental delay or deficit in the cortical maturation of the brain that MUST happen before the age of 12. If you compare the physical size of the brain of an individual with ADHD and a control there is a marked difference in the physical size of many brain structures--primarily the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for executive function (or stuff like ability to delay gratification, attention, reward--stuff that people with ADHD struggle with). This isn't shit you can "cure" or "fix" because it's just a lack or delay in development that was supposed to happen at a certain age. We can TREAT it pharmacologically. The therapeutic effect of methylphenidate (ritalin) and amphetamine (adderall) is twofold--it treats the symptoms and, probably more importantly, over a long period of time it actually has been found to enlarge some of the areas which are underdeveloped. In normal people this produces abnormally large brain structures. In children with ADHD it makes parts of their brains look normal. Just because YOU THINK someone misdiagnosed you once doesn't mean you're an expert on psychology, psychiatry, or ADHD. You're spreading misinformation and personal bias as fact, and it's against medical opinion. STOP POSTING OUT OF YOUR ASS, YOU'RE NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL[edit] Okay, I took a deep breath and I calmed down. I would like to take this opportunity to dispel any of your paranoid beliefs based on bias and misinformation. Please ask me about anything you think is wrong with the practice of mental health and I'll do my best to explain it to you without condescending or insulting you further UNLESS you keep posting like you have been, in which case I'll probably mix insults in because I'm very passionate about the field I'm getting my doctorate in. [/edit]
I feel the same way. I have my master of arts in counseling and when people push an anti-mental health profession agenda I get peeved.
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I am not a medical doctor. I am obtaining my doctorate of clinical psychology.
You are not reading what I am posting. You can't "fix" ADHD through any means because it's a lack of development. There's nothing wrong that can be fixed. The only thing you can do for it is compensate. The brain doesn't grow like it does when you're a child just because you meditate or take fish oil. I don't know who told you that or where you got the idea that everyone can just meditate themselves into a bigger brain.
I don't think or feel like I'm a slave to anything. It seems like you are a slave to your paranoid delusions, though. You should seek therapy.
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On November 17 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I am not a medical doctor. I am obtaining my doctorate of clinical psychology.
You are not reading what I am posting. You can't "fix" ADHD through any means because it's a lack of development. There's nothing wrong that can be fixed. The only thing you can do for it is compensate. The brain doesn't grow like it does when you're a child just because you meditate or take fish oil. I don't know who told you that or where you got the idea that everyone can just meditate themselves into a bigger brain.
I don't think or feel like I'm a slave to anything. It seems like you are a slave to your paranoid delusions, though. You should seek therapy.
So you're going to school for something useless.
Just google curing ADHD naturally and you get these results.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CFQQFjAA&url=http://www.care2.com/greenliving/8-ways-to-treat-adhd-naturally.html&ei=ukGIUrywCarh2wWAnoEw&usg=AFQjCNG2xqjhXSv2eQrTwZsSii7kEesrag&sig2=6k0dfFu49j09z8lHbMZLew
http://www.freemeditation.com/benefits-of-meditation/meditation-helps-with-adhd/
http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/1475.html
http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/treating-adhd-naturally
"Not only is Ritalin not effective for long-term use, negative side effects like stunting one’s growth and addiction risk should be considered. The DEA classifies Ritalin as a “Schedule II” drug, meaning a prescription drug with the highest possible potential for abuse.
Growing awareness of the efficacy and side effects of ADHD prescription drugs has led some doctors and parents focusing more on natural alternatives for treatment. Studies have found validity in the use of certain dietary supplements, and suggest that deficiency in certain vitamins and minerals may contribute to ADHD symptoms. In particular, magnesium, vitamin B6, and omega-3 fatty acids have been highlighted.
Some experts believe the effects of mild magnesium deficiency may be represented in children with ADHD. Symptoms of magnesium deficiency include irritability, decreased attention span, and mental confusion. A study involving 75 magnesium-deficient children with ADHD showed an advancement in behavior for those taking magnesium, in comparison to those receiving the placebo. As with any supplement or diet plan, one should always talk to their doctor first in order to determine what is appropriate for them.
Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. Possibly, in part, because serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, the chemicals affected in children with ADHD, require sufficient levels of vitamin B6 in order for the body to produce them.
More research on natural alternatives for ADHD shows high hopes for Omega-3 fatty acids. Omega-3, found naturally in walnuts, flaxseed, and fish, represent “good fats” or polyunsaturated fats. These fatty acids play an integral role in normal brain function and in promoting the transmission of signals between neurons.
Studies have shown that children with ADHD have very low blood levels of Omega-3, specifically the component docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). As the major structural component of nerve cells, DHA must be present for the development of sensory, perceptual, cognitive, and motor neural systems. Research indicates, Omega-3 deficiencies correlate with behavioral issues such as, conduct disorder, hyperactivity, impulsivity, anxiety, temper-tantrums, sleeplessness, and learning problems.
A study by the University of Adelaide in Australia gave 130 children with ADHD, ages 7-12, 560 milligrams of Omega-3 via fish oil capsules daily. This resulted in dramatic improvements in behavior within three months. After seven months, the children were not as restless, showed progress in school, and had better concentration and attention span. After the study ended, improvements continued to be seen, proposing that the fish oils may have long-term effects as well.
When considering a child’s future, take into account that Ritalin may have some short-term advantages but proves useless for long-term treatment. Professor Sroufe protests that, “Putting children on drugs does nothing to change the conditions that derail their development in the first place...the large-scale medication of children feeds into a societal view that all of life’s problems can be solved with a pill.” Searching for a quick and easy solution to a much more complicated problem may set children up for failure."
You can take that information to the bank.
Prescription ADHD medication is poison, causes heart problems, brain development problems, stunts growth, liver/kidney problems, high blood pressure, etc etc.
Natural is always the better way. MD's are so quick to prescribe pills (I know this from personal experience) because that's all that they know. They are IGNORANT.
A typical conversation with a Dr goes like this Dr Says "so whats the problem" Patient Responds "I'm sad sometimes" Dr Says, "Okay we'll try you out on some Prozac and Trazadone".
Or
Dr Says "What's the problem? Patient Responds "I have trouble sleeping, I'm anxious a lot, and sometimes have racing thoughts" Dr Says "Sound's like you're bipolar, we'll try you out on two anti psychotics."
They never, never, look at chemical imbalances or natural alternatives that do not involve putting harmful poisonous band aids into your body.
Oh, one more quote for good measure to all of the future Doctors out there.
"Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. "
"Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. "
One more time for good measure......
"Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. "
B6 is a vitamin for those that don't know.....something that works WITH the body not AGAINST it like medication.
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On November 17 2013 13:21 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I am not a medical doctor. I am obtaining my doctorate of clinical psychology.
You are not reading what I am posting. You can't "fix" ADHD through any means because it's a lack of development. There's nothing wrong that can be fixed. The only thing you can do for it is compensate. The brain doesn't grow like it does when you're a child just because you meditate or take fish oil. I don't know who told you that or where you got the idea that everyone can just meditate themselves into a bigger brain.
I don't think or feel like I'm a slave to anything. It seems like you are a slave to your paranoid delusions, though. You should seek therapy. So you're going to school for something useless. Just google curing ADHD naturally and you get these results. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CFQQFjAA&url=http://www.care2.com/greenliving/8-ways-to-treat-adhd-naturally.html&ei=ukGIUrywCarh2wWAnoEw&usg=AFQjCNG2xqjhXSv2eQrTwZsSii7kEesrag&sig2=6k0dfFu49j09z8lHbMZLewhttp://www.freemeditation.com/benefits-of-meditation/meditation-helps-with-adhd/http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/1475.htmlhttp://bigthink.com/experts-corner/treating-adhd-naturally"Not only is Ritalin not effective for long-term use, negative side effects like stunting one’s growth and addiction risk should be considered. The DEA classifies Ritalin as a “Schedule II” drug, meaning a prescription drug with the highest possible potential for abuse. Growing awareness of the efficacy and side effects of ADHD prescription drugs has led some doctors and parents focusing more on natural alternatives for treatment. Studies have found validity in the use of certain dietary supplements, and suggest that deficiency in certain vitamins and minerals may contribute to ADHD symptoms. In particular, magnesium, vitamin B6, and omega-3 fatty acids have been highlighted. Some experts believe the effects of mild magnesium deficiency may be represented in children with ADHD. Symptoms of magnesium deficiency include irritability, decreased attention span, and mental confusion. A study involving 75 magnesium-deficient children with ADHD showed an advancement in behavior for those taking magnesium, in comparison to those receiving the placebo. As with any supplement or diet plan, one should always talk to their doctor first in order to determine what is appropriate for them. Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. Possibly, in part, because serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, the chemicals affected in children with ADHD, require sufficient levels of vitamin B6 in order for the body to produce them. More research on natural alternatives for ADHD shows high hopes for Omega-3 fatty acids. Omega-3, found naturally in walnuts, flaxseed, and fish, represent “good fats” or polyunsaturated fats. These fatty acids play an integral role in normal brain function and in promoting the transmission of signals between neurons. Studies have shown that children with ADHD have very low blood levels of Omega-3, specifically the component docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). As the major structural component of nerve cells, DHA must be present for the development of sensory, perceptual, cognitive, and motor neural systems. Research indicates, Omega-3 deficiencies correlate with behavioral issues such as, conduct disorder, hyperactivity, impulsivity, anxiety, temper-tantrums, sleeplessness, and learning problems. A study by the University of Adelaide in Australia gave 130 children with ADHD, ages 7-12, 560 milligrams of Omega-3 via fish oil capsules daily. This resulted in dramatic improvements in behavior within three months. After seven months, the children were not as restless, showed progress in school, and had better concentration and attention span. After the study ended, improvements continued to be seen, proposing that the fish oils may have long-term effects as well. When considering a child’s future, take into account that Ritalin may have some short-term advantages but proves useless for long-term treatment. Professor Sroufe protests that, “Putting children on drugs does nothing to change the conditions that derail their development in the first place...the large-scale medication of children feeds into a societal view that all of life’s problems can be solved with a pill.” Searching for a quick and easy solution to a much more complicated problem may set children up for failure." You can take that information to the bank. Prescription ADHD medication is poison, causes heart problems, brain development problems, stunts growth, liver/kidney problems, high blood pressure, etc etc. Natural is always the better way. MD's are so quick to prescribe pills (I know this from personal experience) because that's all that they know. They are IGNORANT. A typical conversation with a Dr goes like this Dr Says "so whats the problem" Patient Responds "I'm sad sometimes" Dr Says, "Okay we'll try you out on some Prozac and Trazadone". Or Dr Says "What's the problem? Patient Responds "I have trouble sleeping, I'm anxious a lot, and sometimes have racing thoughts" Dr Says "Sound's like you're bipolar, we'll try you out on two anti psychotics." They never, never, look at chemical imbalances or natural alternatives that do not involve putting harmful poisonous band aids into your body. Oh, one more quote for good measure to all of the future Doctors out there. "Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. " "Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. " One more time for good measure...... "Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. " B6 is a vitamin for those that don't know.....something that works WITH the body not AGAINST it like medication.
As an unbiased spectator, I have to say you're making more sense than the other guy.
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Yes, the doctors who have spent years of medical study on the current best understanding of modern medicine are ignorant, and not the guy who's using google for research to contradict professional medical opinion.
If he's really making more sense than me then perhaps I'm wrong. Medicine might be a huge conspiracy to make money where teachers are collaborating with big pharmacy to sell kids' brains to make a load of money. If this is true then I fear for the entire nation's future as both the teachers and the doctors have it in for America.
Or, perhaps you're wrong. Why are you so angry towards doctors? Do you really think that they can go through medical school and come out on the other side more ignorant than some random guy using google?
Keep believing whatever you want, I really don't have anything much else to say if you are going to be as insulting, stupid, and childish as you have been.
I mean come the fuck on, you're gonna cite additudemag.com and freemeditation.com to a guy who's doing his thesis on amphetamine and methylphenidate? Is that your idea of academic proof?
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Unfortunately not everything on the Internet is a credible source. Just because somebody says it, it doesn't have to be true. The same goes with 'A study has found....'. If you really want to make a point, back it up with evidence based studies that are peer reviewed. Plus, studies can be done which are bias to one result or the other.
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On November 17 2013 13:21 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I am not a medical doctor. I am obtaining my doctorate of clinical psychology.
You are not reading what I am posting. You can't "fix" ADHD through any means because it's a lack of development. There's nothing wrong that can be fixed. The only thing you can do for it is compensate. The brain doesn't grow like it does when you're a child just because you meditate or take fish oil. I don't know who told you that or where you got the idea that everyone can just meditate themselves into a bigger brain.
I don't think or feel like I'm a slave to anything. It seems like you are a slave to your paranoid delusions, though. You should seek therapy. So you're going to school for something useless. Just google curing ADHD naturally and you get these results. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CFQQFjAA&url=http://www.care2.com/greenliving/8-ways-to-treat-adhd-naturally.html&ei=ukGIUrywCarh2wWAnoEw&usg=AFQjCNG2xqjhXSv2eQrTwZsSii7kEesrag&sig2=6k0dfFu49j09z8lHbMZLewhttp://www.freemeditation.com/benefits-of-meditation/meditation-helps-with-adhd/http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/1475.htmlhttp://bigthink.com/experts-corner/treating-adhd-naturally"Not only is Ritalin not effective for long-term use, negative side effects like stunting one’s growth and addiction risk should be considered. The DEA classifies Ritalin as a “Schedule II” drug, meaning a prescription drug with the highest possible potential for abuse. Growing awareness of the efficacy and side effects of ADHD prescription drugs has led some doctors and parents focusing more on natural alternatives for treatment. Studies have found validity in the use of certain dietary supplements, and suggest that deficiency in certain vitamins and minerals may contribute to ADHD symptoms. In particular, magnesium, vitamin B6, and omega-3 fatty acids have been highlighted. Some experts believe the effects of mild magnesium deficiency may be represented in children with ADHD. Symptoms of magnesium deficiency include irritability, decreased attention span, and mental confusion. A study involving 75 magnesium-deficient children with ADHD showed an advancement in behavior for those taking magnesium, in comparison to those receiving the placebo. As with any supplement or diet plan, one should always talk to their doctor first in order to determine what is appropriate for them. Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. Possibly, in part, because serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, the chemicals affected in children with ADHD, require sufficient levels of vitamin B6 in order for the body to produce them. More research on natural alternatives for ADHD shows high hopes for Omega-3 fatty acids. Omega-3, found naturally in walnuts, flaxseed, and fish, represent “good fats” or polyunsaturated fats. These fatty acids play an integral role in normal brain function and in promoting the transmission of signals between neurons. Studies have shown that children with ADHD have very low blood levels of Omega-3, specifically the component docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). As the major structural component of nerve cells, DHA must be present for the development of sensory, perceptual, cognitive, and motor neural systems. Research indicates, Omega-3 deficiencies correlate with behavioral issues such as, conduct disorder, hyperactivity, impulsivity, anxiety, temper-tantrums, sleeplessness, and learning problems. A study by the University of Adelaide in Australia gave 130 children with ADHD, ages 7-12, 560 milligrams of Omega-3 via fish oil capsules daily. This resulted in dramatic improvements in behavior within three months. After seven months, the children were not as restless, showed progress in school, and had better concentration and attention span. After the study ended, improvements continued to be seen, proposing that the fish oils may have long-term effects as well. When considering a child’s future, take into account that Ritalin may have some short-term advantages but proves useless for long-term treatment. Professor Sroufe protests that, “Putting children on drugs does nothing to change the conditions that derail their development in the first place...the large-scale medication of children feeds into a societal view that all of life’s problems can be solved with a pill.” Searching for a quick and easy solution to a much more complicated problem may set children up for failure." You can take that information to the bank. Prescription ADHD medication is poison, causes heart problems, brain development problems, stunts growth, liver/kidney problems, high blood pressure, etc etc. Natural is always the better way. MD's are so quick to prescribe pills (I know this from personal experience) because that's all that they know. They are IGNORANT. A typical conversation with a Dr goes like this Dr Says "so whats the problem" Patient Responds "I'm sad sometimes" Dr Says, "Okay we'll try you out on some Prozac and Trazadone". Or Dr Says "What's the problem? Patient Responds "I have trouble sleeping, I'm anxious a lot, and sometimes have racing thoughts" Dr Says "Sound's like you're bipolar, we'll try you out on two anti psychotics." They never, never, look at chemical imbalances or natural alternatives that do not involve putting harmful poisonous band aids into your body. Oh, one more quote for good measure to all of the future Doctors out there. "Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. " "Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. " One more time for good measure...... "Another study concluded, high levels of B6 pyridoxine proved more effective than Ritalin in improving hyperactive behavior. " B6 is a vitamin for those that don't know.....something that works WITH the body not AGAINST it like medication.
You ought to be looking though MEDLINE/PubMed rather than unverified Google searches. The bottom line is that psychotherapeutics have a clear benefit for many ADHD patients; however, there are adverse effects to varying degrees, and of course these effects and alternative treatment strategies are undergoing further study to the end of improving ADHD prognosis and treatment on the whole.
For example...
+ Show Spoiler +Pharmacologic intervention for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder in preschoolers : is it justified?Pharmacologic intervention for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in preschool children is a controversial issue. Non-pharmacologic interventions (psychosocial and restricted dietary interventions) have been shown to benefit oppositional, non-compliant, aggressive and disruptive, as well as hyperactive and inattentive behaviors in preschoolers with ADHD and other disruptive behavior disorders. However, not all families have access to non-pharmacologic interventions or prefer them. The Preschool ADHD Treatment Study recently provided evidence of benefit with immediate-release methylphenidate; however, effect sizes were small to moderate and preschoolers had a high rate of adverse effects and a unique adverse effect profile. Furthermore, no information is available about long-term safety and effects of psychopharmacologic agents on the rapidly developing brains of preschoolers. Based on current evidence and guidelines, a careful trial with psychopharmacologic agents is indicated to treat ADHD in preschoolers if there is no improvement with behavior therapy and the preschoolers continue to exhibit significantly impaired hyperactive and inattentive symptoms. Preschoolers should be monitored closely for adverse effects and tried off medications after 6 months to assess the need for ongoing psychopharmacologic intervention. Further research is needed to identify predictors and moderators of response to guide individualized/optimal treatment options for ADHD in preschoolers. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23329386Effects of Methylphenidate on Cognitive Functions in Children and Adolescents with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder: Evidence from a Systematic Review and a Meta-Analysis.
BACKGROUND:
Attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is associated with a broad range of neuropsychological impairments. The relationship between these neuropsychological deficits and the defining symptoms of ADHD seems more complex than originally thought. Methylphenidate (MPH) is an effective treatment for ADHD symptoms, but its impact on cognition is less clearly understood.
METHODS:
With a common systematic search strategy and a rigorous coding and data extraction strategy across domains, we searched electronic databases to identify published placebo controlled trials that compared MPH and placebo on executive and nonexecutive memory, reaction time, reaction time variability and response inhibition in children and adolescents (5-18 years) with a formal diagnosis of ADHD.
RESULTS:
Sixty studies were included in the review, of which 36 contained sufficient data for meta-analysis. Methylphenidate was superior to placebo in all five meta-analyses: executive memory, standardized mean difference (SMD) .26, 95% confidence interval (CI): -.39 to -.13; non-executive memory, SMD .60, 95% CI: -.79 to -.41; reaction time, SMD .24, 95% CI: -.33 to -.15; reaction time variability, SMD .62, 95% CI: -.90 to -.34; response inhibition, SMD .41, 95% CI: -.55 to -.27.
CONCLUSIONS:
These data support the potentially important effects of MPH on various aspects of cognition known to be associated with ADHD. Consideration should be given to adding cognitive outcomes to the assessment of treatment outcome in ADHD, considering the complexity of the relationship between ADHD symptoms and cognition.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24231201Current pharmacotherapy of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a neurobehavioral developmental disorder in children and adults characterized by a persistent pattern of impulsiveness, inattention and hyperactivity. It affects about 3-10% of children and 2-5% of adolescents and adults and occurs about four times more commonly in boys than girls. The cause of ADHD is unknown, but it has strong genetic and environment components. The first-line treatment options for ADHD include behavioral therapy, pharmacotherapy with stimulants or both. Methylphenidate and amphetamine salts are the stimulant drugs of choice for ADHD treatment. Amphetamines act by increasing presynaptic release of dopamine and other biogenic amines in the brain. Methylphenidate inhibits the reuptake of dopamine and norepinephrine and therefore its pharmacology is identical to that of amphetamines. Lisdex-amfetamine is a prodrug of dextroamphetamine with low feasibility for abuse. Atomoxetine, a selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, is an alternative, non-stimulant drug for ADHD but it is less efficacious than stimulants. Stimulants are generally safe but are associated with adverse effects including headache, insomnia, anorexia and weight loss. There is increased awareness about serious cardiovascular and psychiatric adverse events with ADHD drugs including concern for growth suppression in children. Stimulants have a high potential for abuse and dependence, and should be handled safely to prevent misuse and abuse. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24191257
Edit: Whoops! Should have read a couple pages back first. Found this gem:
On November 14 2013 09:12 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
I also hate to say it but modern science is also bullshit. Science has been abused and most modern science is bullshit and a far cry from what it was like prior to the 21st century.
Ah, gotcha. Modern science is bull shit. Well if I knew that's how you felt then I wouldn't have bothered recommending you to turn to PubMed rather than quackery-blogs. Well, for your own sake, hopefully you'll grow out of your "I hate science and medicine" phase before it becomes embedded into your permanent world view, which won't be fun.
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Sjphotographer I think you need to be more wary of just searching online blogs and then using them as evidence, its not very rigorous. Its true that there are studies that show significant improvements with fish oils, but there are also many other studies, which are selectively not quoted in those blogs you read, which show little to no effect of fish oils. That's why you need to read objective scientific journals that look at *all* the evidence and come to balanced conclusions, which is why fish oil isn't heavily supported by medical professionals generally, because the evidence isn't really there yet.
And the whole idea that its a massive conspiracy between teachers and doctors is absurd; if fish oils actually worked don't you think people would have noticed by now? They're widely available and there aren't really any serious side effects of taking them unless you have some specific conditions. It is probably something that can very easily be tested by millions of people, and if it worked then they would have noticed and there would have been a significant decline in the number of kids with ADHD symptoms. But there isn't, and its not because they've been brainwashed to think fish oils are evil by the medical industry either. If anything they recommend fish oils as a useful dietary supplement, just not as a cure to ADHD.
Many studies that claim to have demonstrated certain things could be faulty for many reasons that you can't identify from a a very brief reading of the results, you need to have very high controls to ensure that the bias from study authors (including the person who is talking about the evils of thinking of pills as the ultimate solution) don't creep into the results.
I'm not sure its really worth debating when you start saying things like modern science as a whole is bullshit. I mean I don't know your background, but its pretty likely that you're making that claim out of near ignorance about what scientists actually do and how they draw their conclusions.
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On November 18 2013 02:21 radscorpion9 wrote:
Sjphotographer I think you need to be more wary of just searching online blogs and then using them as evidence, its not very rigorous. Its true that there are studies that show significant improvements with fish oils, but there are also many other studies, which are selectively not quoted in those blogs you read, which show little to no effect of fish oils. That's why you need to read objective scientific journals that look at *all* the evidence and come to balanced conclusions, which is why fish oil isn't heavily supported by medical professionals generally, because the evidence isn't really there yet.
And the whole idea that its a massive conspiracy between teachers and doctors is absurd; if fish oils actually worked don't you think people would have noticed by now? They're widely available and there aren't really any serious side effects of taking them unless you have some specific conditions. It is probably something that can very easily be tested by millions of people, and if it worked then they would have noticed and there would have been a significant decline in the number of kids with ADHD symptoms. But there isn't, and its not because they've been brainwashed to think fish oils are evil by the medical industry either. If anything they recommend fish oils as a useful dietary supplement, just not as a cure to ADHD.
Many studies that claim to have demonstrated certain things could be faulty for many reasons that you can't identify from a a very brief reading of the results, you need to have very high controls to ensure that the bias from study authors (including the person who is talking about the evils of thinking of pills as the ultimate solution) don't creep into the results.
I'm not sure its really worth debating when you start saying things like modern science as a whole is bullshit. I mean I don't know your background, but its pretty likely that you're making that claim out of near ignorance about what scientists actually do and how they draw their conclusions.
You do realize, that scientists nor big pharma would ever sponsor such research related to ADHD and it's treatment naturally.....right?
Nobody's going to make money selling fish oil's, B100 complex, or any vitamins. Big pharma however would sponsor researchers that would give kids a very low dose (think daily recommended) of B vitamins and compare it to a high potency drug like Ritalin and come to the conclusion that the B vitamins are near useless.
The research that I have found regarding vitamins, minerals, eating properly, exercise, and holistic herbs have all proved to me via their research and my critical thinking skills that medication really just is a band aid and does not treat the source of the problem like vitamins/minerals do.
Further more, Doctors are not educated on the importance of vitamins, minerals, foods (they are not nutrionalists afterall), nor on holistic herbs. They are IGNORANT on the subject and most Dr's will just tell you that vitamins make your urine "expensive" and that's it. The MEDICAL PROFESSION IS A BUSINESS. BUSINESS'S REQUIRE MONEY!!! BIG PHARMA IS A BUSINESS.....WAKE UP!
Little do they know that Vitamin D when taken at doses that work with the body (not the joke of a dally recommended of 400IU but more like 5000IU) is more effective at preventing the flu than the flu vaccine, has the power to cure winter depression or any depression, has the power to cure anxiety, prevent heart disease, boost the immune system, and so on.
You will never hear about such things in the media though or in large researches because big pharma can't make a buck on Vitamin's. I can get 90 Vitamin D3 5,000IU for only $8 whereas a prescription antibiotic and a flu vaccine could run into the thousands of dollars.
I managed to cure myself from seasonal depression a long with anxiety by taking 4,400 IU's of Vitamin D......I don't have anxiety nor seasonal depression anymore yet I tried pretty much every anti depressant out there. My old doctor even told me that he doesn't check vitamin D levels nor prescribe vitamin D even though the majority of people are living with a Vitamin D deficiency.....probably because he doesn't get a kickback.
Most people are extremely deficient in many, many, vitamins and minerals and the doctors will not treat the source of the problem. They will merely prescribe you what they and the pharmaceutical company's can make a buck off of.
Also, to the person citing me about how science now a days is bullshit....well it is. Science is abused and prescription medication, weapons of mass destruction being made, and fluke theories are all great examples of how science is being abused and for the most part, is a joke.
Good science in the modern times is rare.
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On November 17 2013 21:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Yes, the doctors who have spent years of medical study on the current best understanding of modern medicine are ignorant, and not the guy who's using google for research to contradict professional medical opinion.
If he's really making more sense than me then perhaps I'm wrong. Medicine might be a huge conspiracy to make money where teachers are collaborating with big pharmacy to sell kids' brains to make a load of money. If this is true then I fear for the entire nation's future as both the teachers and the doctors have it in for America.
Or, perhaps you're wrong. Why are you so angry towards doctors? Do you really think that they can go through medical school and come out on the other side more ignorant than some random guy using google?
Keep believing whatever you want, I really don't have anything much else to say if you are going to be as insulting, stupid, and childish as you have been.
I mean come the fuck on, you're gonna cite additudemag.com and freemeditation.com to a guy who's doing his thesis on amphetamine and methylphenidate? Is that your idea of academic proof?
"In the study, while 31 of 167 children in the placebo group contracted influenza over the four month duration of the study, only 18 of 168 children in the vitamin D group did. This means vitamin D was responsible for an absolute reduction of nearly 8 percent.
Flu vaccines, according to the latest scientific evidence, achieve a 1 percent reduction in influenza symptoms (http://www.naturalnews.com/029641_vaccines_j...).
This means vitamin D appears to be 800% more effective than vaccines at preventing influenza infections in children.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029760_vitamin_D_influenza.html#ixzz2kwNGJWv3"
"To further support this, what really needs to be done is a clinical trial directly comparing vitamin D supplements to influenza vaccines with four total groups:
Group #1 receives a vitamin D placebo
Group #2 receives real vitamin D (2,000 IUs per day)
Group #3 receives an influenza vaccine injection
Group #4 receives an inert injection
Groups 1 and 2 should be randomized and double blind while groups 3 and 4 should also be randomized and double blind. The results would reveal the comparative effectiveness of vitamin D versus influenza vaccines.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029760_vitamin_D_influenza.html#ixzz2kwNRItCN"
"Unfortunately, such a trial will never be conducted because vaccine pushers already know this trial would show their vaccines to be all but useless. So they won't subject vaccines to any real science that compares it to vitamin D.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029760_vitamin_D_influenza.html#ixzz2kwNXWGQp"
So yes, I consider anyone in the medical profession to be sheep. They work at places that are for the sick and dying that hold dead people (hospitals) and almost never treat the source of the problem (Name me one prescription drug that boosts the immune system???? Most of them are just band aids and are poison.)
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Because you lack basic scientific understanding you are interpreting the results wrong.
Vitamin D was 8% better than a placebo (something they gave to kids calling it vitamin D when in fact it was nothing), not the vaccine.
What was the rate in the children that got the vaccine? I'm willing to bet it was less than the vitamin D group or the placebo group.
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It really is ironic how you're so adamantly critical of science because you're unable to understand it.
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On November 18 2013 06:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Because you lack basic scientific understanding you are interpreting the results wrong.
Vitamin D was 8% better than a placebo (something they gave to kids calling it vitamin D when in fact it was nothing), not the vaccine.
What was the rate in the children that got the vaccine? I'm willing to bet it was less than the vitamin D group or the placebo group.
Read the whole article, it was 800% more effective not 8%.
It's funny how brainwashed that you are to believe that medication is the be all and end all. I feel bad for you and your future patients who like, are uneducated on actually fixing problems at the source.
There are tons of articles out there showcasing that Vitamin D is more effective than the flu vaccine.
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Here is the original study where that site pulled and edited results from:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/03/10/ajcn.2009.29094.full.pdf
It did NOT compare vitamin D in children without a vaccination to children with a vaccination. In fact, it just gave kids vitamin D and concluded "oh hey taking vitamin D3 reduces influenza A but not influenza B."
Like, no shit Sherlock. How then do you come to a conclusion that it's 800% as effective than the flu vaccine? Like, where are they getting that information from where it is compared?
Honestly, they're just catering to their main audience, people who think they're smart but are in fact too stupid to interpret results correctly so they go to "naturalnews" to feed their paranoid delusions.
And then naturalnews makes money off of stupid people on advertisements.
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I work in a mental health module at my local jail where I have daily contact with inmates who have paranoid schizophrenia. They often claim that we are all brainwashed and that we need to wake up, the government is doing (something which the government is not) and we are sheep for believing them.
You sound exactly like the literally crazy people that are locked up in a module for the acutely psychotic.
Perhaps if you're the only one running around telling people that they're brainwashed and need to wake up it's actually you that is brainwashed and you're just too delusional to recognize it.
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Here is the actual study where they pulled that 1% figure from:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269.pub4/abstract
It found that people who were vaccinated against THE WRONG STRAIN of influenza were 1% less likely to develop the flu not vaccinated against than people unvaccinated. This still means that vaccination AGAINST THE WRONG STRAIN of influenza was helpful against ANY TYPE OF FLU.
In correct vaccinations, 99% OF PEOPLE VACCINATED DID NOT DEVELOP THE FLU.
These studies were done on a sample size of ~70,000 at the 95% confidence interval and it is unlikely that their results are due to chance.
So, to bring this point home using your logic, comparing it to the 8% effectiveness of Vitamin D3, vaccination against the flu is 1200% as effective as Vitamin D3 in preventing influenza.
On November 18 2013 06:21 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Good science in the modern times is rare.
lol, sheep
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