EPTOn August 23 2013 13:22 grassHAT wrote:
here is something interesting to offer a different view point
here is something interesting to offer a different view point
What a stupid thing to ask. I chose not to watch this video.
Is the mind all chemical and electricity? - Page 95
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
What a stupid thing to ask. I chose not to watch this video. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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grassHAT
United States40 Posts
On August 25 2013 02:52 tshi wrote: What a stupid thing to ask. I chose not to watch this video. It is a pretty stupid thing to ask, but considering people who hold a naturalist/materialist (majority of atheists) actually BELIEVE that there is no free will it should be addressed... | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
I've watched too much Day9 | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
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gneGne
Netherlands697 Posts
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
On August 28 2013 09:31 Xiron wrote: How are there 95 pages about a simple subject that can be discussed in a single sentence? Considering Douglas Hofstadters pulitzer prize winning book on the subject is 700+ pages I think you may be underestimating the subject. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On August 23 2013 13:22 grassHAT wrote: here is something interesting to offer a different view point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYLnNPYT5pk Sure, if by "something interesting" you mean "the stupidest crap I have ever heard coming out of a professor's mouth". | ||
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Phattyasmo
United States69 Posts
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 23 2013 13:22 grassHAT wrote: here is something interesting to offer a different view point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYLnNPYT5pk it does answer anything. He even says something like "if the mind is only physical, then all of what I just said doesn't work". He basically assume there is something more to the mind in order to explain free will. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On August 28 2013 09:05 grassHAT wrote: It is a pretty stupid thing to ask, but considering people who hold a naturalist/materialist (majority of atheists) actually BELIEVE that there is no free will it should be addressed... It is a pretty stupid thing to ask, but considering people who hold a spiritualist, supernatural view (majority of religious extremists) actually BELIEVE that there is free will it should be addressed... | ||
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gneGne
Netherlands697 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 25 2013 02:52 tshi wrote: What a stupid thing to ask. I chose not to watch this video. Do you have a reason for the choice? | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 28 2013 23:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: It is a pretty stupid thing to ask, but considering people who hold a spiritualist, supernatural view (majority of religious extremists) actually BELIEVE that there is free will it should be addressed... You mean majority of people in general? Not that this entire line of posts is important anyways.. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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kwizach
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On August 28 2013 09:05 grassHAT wrote: It is a pretty stupid thing to ask, but considering people who hold a naturalist/materialist (majority of atheists) actually BELIEVE that there is no free will it should be addressed... Considering you're the guy who said rationality couldn't possibly only be rooted in the physical world, I'm not too sure you qualify as an authority on whether or not questions about free will are "pretty stupid". | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
So for these ridiculous people who actually "believe" (because it's just a religion like any other) that free will exists, let me enlight you. You know the world is made up of atoms, which are made up of quarks (or maybe you don't believe in atoms?) They do have an have uncertainty in their position, impulse etc. This uncertainty is so tiny, that it hardly even affects a single atom anymore, let alone a big molecule. These atoms make up molecules. A brain is an accumulation of cells, which are made up of molecules. It evolved in a way in which these cells communicate with each other by sending electric signals. This is thinking, feeling, the order to breath, the order to move. You can stimulate a brain with an electric impulse and cause your body to move. You can inject hormones into your blood that make you happy (drugs, anyone?). You can become sad because there is too much of a hormon in your brain. Also, you can take substances that make you sleepy/agressive/etc. That is the same in every living animal. This proves that we don't really have free will when it comes to our actions/feelings. But what seperates us from these animals? It's the thinking. So, what is thinking made of? It's memories, experiences and feelings., and the cells in your brain which store all of this information. Memories are created by your environment. As are experiences. Let's say you are given the choice between getting a red ball or a blue ball. If you choose the red ball, that's because you wanted it, right? No! It's because your past experiences, memories and your genetics gave you a preference for red. So where is this "free will"? That's right, there is no occasion where free will would be needed to explain an action of a human being. People who believe in free will are probably religious, too, because it's the easiest answer to a question. Why did this guy kill his brother? "Because he wanted to!" That is so wrong. It's because his mind and all it's molecules reacted in such a way that made his hand grab the knife. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On August 29 2013 01:28 Xiron wrote: So where is this "free will"? That's right, there is no occasion where free will would be needed to explain an action of a human being. People who believe in free will are probably religious, too, because it's the easiest answer to a question. Why did this guy kill his brother? "Because he wanted to!" That is so wrong. It's because his mind and all it's molecules reacted in such a way that made his hand grab the knife. So are you trying to tell us you're religious or what? | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
On August 29 2013 01:44 farvacola wrote: So are you trying to tell us you're religious or what? I think he is saying we shouldn't look both ways before crossing the street cause we'll get hit or not regardless of any outside stimuli. Free will is seeing something occur and reacting to that. If you state someone is unable to react to things by thought then we would all be normalized statistics. We don't all follow the norm so that is false. of course the debate about free will vs not is mostly semantics because what someone calls reacting to stimuli another will call divine intervention or set up events or raspberry jam filled with strawberries causes man to kill wife. He had no choice but to kill his wife because she gave him strawberries instead of raspberries. It is one of those things, "What do I believe." and then you move on. Look both ways or not before crossing the road. Is the brain all chemicals and reactions, yes and cholesterol, blood, neurons, electricity. All that stuff. Every individual is an individual though so each will react to things somewhat slightly differently. The notion that all the art and technology and everything just comes from this is interesting though. I like to think that the universe is made up of the same stuff, mostly about 70 or so different tiny things just all compiled together. Does that make the universe that much less impressive because it isn't made up of thousands of different things but rather a small number of things rearranged? No, I think it makes it more impressive. The universe, your brain, everyone's body, is just made of a bunch of different colored lego blocks (symbolism, not literally) that you put together or take apart to make something different. The more you figure out about those little interactions that more you can do with them. If the brain was this thing that didn't exist anywhere else in science and it just didn't seem to make sense no matter how we prodded or poked it then we couldn't come up with cures for depression, bi-polar, ocd, and the like. By being able to understand it we can further improve the lives of individuals. Maybe even unlock the consciousness and download people onto programs to extend life, but that is getting a little too sci-fi for current affairs. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Free will is seeing something occur and reacting to that. That is compatibilism. You are saying free will is not in conflict with determinism. Hi fellow compatibilist. | ||
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