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On May 07 2025 17:12 Gorsameth wrote:
As I understand it it applies for Indian workers who are temporarily dispatched to the UK while still working and being payed by their Indian employer. So they are still paying all taxes in India and this just prevents being double charged.
That was my first reaction too but this line made me curious:
Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years.
Three years doesn't sound like temporary work abroad conditions.
There's a bit more information in this Guardian article, but I still have no idea what's actually in the deal.
However, it has caused a row over a decision to exempt Indian workers who have been temporarily seconded to the UK and their employers from national insurance contributions (NICs) for three years. Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, called it a system of “two-tier taxes”. The decision has also been criticised privately by some Labour MPs, given that NICs for UK employers have just been raised. The agreement, which is reciprocal and will apply to British workers temporarily seconded to India by companies with offices in both countries, was one of Delhi’s key asks in the deal and one of the longest-running sticking points up until last week. The Indian government described it as a “huge win” and “an unprecedented achievement” for its side. Yvette Cooper was not informed about the government’s plans to make it cheaper for Indian workers to come to the UK as part of the free trade agreement, the Guardian has learned. The home secretary was left in the dark over controversial elements of the agreement which will mean Indian workers and companies avoiding national insurance, even as those on British employers are being hiked. Home Office officials are said to have been confused by the process of agreeing the deal, having expected to be informed about anything which could increase migration to the UK. Jonathan Reynolds, the business and trade secretary, defended the move and told reporters that some people were “getting a little bit carried away as to what this actually means”. “We have 17 of these agreements with the EU, with South Korea, with the US and a whole range of partners, and what it is about is making sure when people are inter-company transfers between the UK and India – so for our people in India and Indian people in the UK – they don’t simultaneously pay into both social security systems,” he said. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/uk-and-india-agree-trade-deal-after-three-years-of-negotiations
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On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10.  On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here?
Pretty much this:
"this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’"
Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year"
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On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year"
Its not actually bad though, its pretty much standard.
People didn't complain when Australia, Barbados, Bermuda, Canada, Chile, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Mauritius, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Turkey and the USA got the same/similar conditions.
https://www.litrg.org.uk/international/nic-cross-border-situations/nic-posted-workers-bilateral-agreement-countries
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements
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On May 08 2025 01:10 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" Its not actually bad though, its pretty much standard. People didn't complain when Australia, Barbados, Bermuda, Canada, Chile, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Mauritius, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Turkey and the USA got the same/similar conditions. https://www.litrg.org.uk/international/nic-cross-border-situations/nic-posted-workers-bilateral-agreement-countrieshttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements
It doesnt matter though does it? Remeber Brexit and "EU has 487236y`578 pillow regulations" (or whatever that was)?
or this:
https://thenegotiator.co.uk/news/regulation-law-news/claimed-new-landlords-deal-to-house-aslym-seekers-begun-by-tories/
"The deal includes leases of five years or more; guaranteed no void periods or rent arrears; and repairs and maintenance provided by Serco, which also pays the property’s utility bills and the tenants’ Council Tax. Landlords also do not pay any fees or property management costs to the company."
How does someone who wants to leave their parents house and live at his own compete with that? So tories started it, nobody cares, almost no one is going to vote tories, labour carry on with this though, so what other parties you can get?
People know already they are f...d, all they want is that everybody else wont get their way. To paraphrase Chinese proverb:
"unlucky us leaving in interesting times"
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On May 08 2025 07:04 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 01:10 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" Its not actually bad though, its pretty much standard. People didn't complain when Australia, Barbados, Bermuda, Canada, Chile, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Mauritius, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Turkey and the USA got the same/similar conditions. https://www.litrg.org.uk/international/nic-cross-border-situations/nic-posted-workers-bilateral-agreement-countrieshttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements It doesnt matter though does it? Remeber Brexit and "EU has 487236y`578 pillow regulations" (or whatever that was)? or this: https://thenegotiator.co.uk/news/regulation-law-news/claimed-new-landlords-deal-to-house-aslym-seekers-begun-by-tories/"The deal includes leases of five years or more; guaranteed no void periods or rent arrears; and repairs and maintenance provided by Serco, which also pays the property’s utility bills and the tenants’ Council Tax. Landlords also do not pay any fees or property management costs to the company." How does someone who wants to leave their parents house and live at his own compete with that? So tories started it, nobody cares, almost no one is going to vote tories, labour carry on with this though, so what other parties you can get? People know already they are f...d, all they want is that everybody else wont get their way. To paraphrase Chinese proverb: "unlucky us leaving in interesting times"
If only you were leaving.
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On May 08 2025 07:42 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 07:04 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 01:10 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" Its not actually bad though, its pretty much standard. People didn't complain when Australia, Barbados, Bermuda, Canada, Chile, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Mauritius, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Turkey and the USA got the same/similar conditions. https://www.litrg.org.uk/international/nic-cross-border-situations/nic-posted-workers-bilateral-agreement-countrieshttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements It doesnt matter though does it? Remeber Brexit and "EU has 487236y`578 pillow regulations" (or whatever that was)? or this: https://thenegotiator.co.uk/news/regulation-law-news/claimed-new-landlords-deal-to-house-aslym-seekers-begun-by-tories/"The deal includes leases of five years or more; guaranteed no void periods or rent arrears; and repairs and maintenance provided by Serco, which also pays the property’s utility bills and the tenants’ Council Tax. Landlords also do not pay any fees or property management costs to the company." How does someone who wants to leave their parents house and live at his own compete with that? So tories started it, nobody cares, almost no one is going to vote tories, labour carry on with this though, so what other parties you can get? People know already they are f...d, all they want is that everybody else wont get their way. To paraphrase Chinese proverb: "unlucky us leaving in interesting times" If only you were leaving.
Not sure what you mean Franco dude?
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On May 08 2025 01:10 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" Its not actually bad though, its pretty much standard. People didn't complain when Australia, Barbados, Bermuda, Canada, Chile, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Mauritius, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Turkey and the USA got the same/similar conditions. https://www.litrg.org.uk/international/nic-cross-border-situations/nic-posted-workers-bilateral-agreement-countrieshttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements
I mean there is a massive population imbalance between India and the UK, which will probably result in the UK paying far more for Indian workers than those of the other countries. Not mention that theactual economic incentives for people from many of those other countries to work in the UK is a lot smaller compared to people in India.
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On May 08 2025 09:32 Just_a_Moth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 01:10 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" Its not actually bad though, its pretty much standard. People didn't complain when Australia, Barbados, Bermuda, Canada, Chile, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Mauritius, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Turkey and the USA got the same/similar conditions. https://www.litrg.org.uk/international/nic-cross-border-situations/nic-posted-workers-bilateral-agreement-countrieshttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements I mean there is a massive population imbalance between India and the UK, which will probably result in the UK paying far more for Indian workers than those of the other countries. Not mention that theactual economic incentives for people from many of those other countries to work in the UK is a lot smaller compared to people in India.
Indian jobs are likely not paying huge salaries to Brits by British standards. The cost of living is a lot lower there. Taxing Brits in India as if they were in the UK is taxing them lightly. Whereas Indians working in the UK are getting UK wages. That’s UK tax revenues being avoided.
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On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year"
"The UK-India agreement is estimated to bring in a £25.5bn boost to bilateral trade and a £4.8bn annual increase in UK GDP, simplifying exports of UK goods to India and cutting taxes on Indian clothing and footwear exports."
Yeah, this sounds like a terrible trade deal...
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Can't populists easily counter that with claiming this will only benefit the rich who will get even richer while making the job market and life in general worse for the common people? It's not like they desperately need slightly cheaper shoes or t-shirts.
To be clear, I'm not agreeing with the above. I'm just saying this looks like a good opportunity to score some populist points.
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On May 08 2025 18:48 Sent. wrote:
Can't populists easily counter that with claiming this will only benefit the rich who will get even richer while making the job market and life in general worse for the common people? It's not like they desperately need slightly cheaper shoes or t-shirts.
To be clear, I'm not agreeing with the above. I'm just saying this looks like a good opportunity to score some populist points.
Is it true?
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On May 08 2025 18:48 Sent. wrote:
Can't populists easily counter that with claiming this will only benefit the rich who will get even richer while making the job market and life in general worse for the common people? It's not like they desperately need slightly cheaper shoes or t-shirts.
To be clear, I'm not agreeing with the above. I'm just saying this looks like a good opportunity to score some populist points.
Sure, but the Brexiteers in Reform have often said that one of the benefits of leaving the EU would be the ability to independently negotiate trade deals, so complaining about an independently negotiated trade deal that increases GDP could easily become an own goal if said complaints were properly responded to.
EDIT:
Let's be honest here, what the populists are more likely to do is let their "we're not racist" masks slip by complaining about brown people.
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On May 08 2025 19:24 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 18:48 Sent. wrote:
Can't populists easily counter that with claiming this will only benefit the rich who will get even richer while making the job market and life in general worse for the common people? It's not like they desperately need slightly cheaper shoes or t-shirts.
To be clear, I'm not agreeing with the above. I'm just saying this looks like a good opportunity to score some populist points. Sure, but the Brexiteers in Reform have often said that one of the benefits of leaving the EU would be the ability to independently negotiate trade deals, so complaining about an independently negotiated trade deal that increases GDP could easily become an own goal if said complaints were properly responded to.
You are assuming that logic is factor in these matters.
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On May 08 2025 18:04 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" "The UK-India agreement is estimated to bring in a £25.5bn boost to bilateral trade and a £4.8bn annual increase in UK GDP, simplifying exports of UK goods to India and cutting taxes on Indian clothing and footwear exports." Yeah, this sounds like a terrible trade deal...
Yeah 25.5 billion is nice figure in void. To put it into perspective:
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/data-and-charts/nhs-budget-nutshell
"Public funding for health services in England comes from Department of Health and Social Care’s budget. The Department’s spending in 2023/24 was £188.5 billion"
4.8bn increase in GDP sounds nice too:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp-of-the-united-kingdom/
"The gross domestic product of the United Kingdom was around 2.56 trillion British pounds, an increase when compared to the previous year, when UK GDP amounted to about 2.54 trillion pounds."
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On May 08 2025 19:31 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 19:24 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 18:48 Sent. wrote:
Can't populists easily counter that with claiming this will only benefit the rich who will get even richer while making the job market and life in general worse for the common people? It's not like they desperately need slightly cheaper shoes or t-shirts.
To be clear, I'm not agreeing with the above. I'm just saying this looks like a good opportunity to score some populist points. Sure, but the Brexiteers in Reform have often said that one of the benefits of leaving the EU would be the ability to independently negotiate trade deals, so complaining about an independently negotiated trade deal that increases GDP could easily become an own goal if said complaints were properly responded to. You are assuming that logic is factor in these matters.
I know.
I'm also assuming there's a way to properly respond that will reach Reform voters. How many of the people who are likely to vote Reform are reading anything other than tabloids and/or their social media feeds?
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On May 08 2025 19:42 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 18:04 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" "The UK-India agreement is estimated to bring in a £25.5bn boost to bilateral trade and a £4.8bn annual increase in UK GDP, simplifying exports of UK goods to India and cutting taxes on Indian clothing and footwear exports." Yeah, this sounds like a terrible trade deal... Yeah 25.5 billion is nice figure in void. To put it into perspective: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/data-and-charts/nhs-budget-nutshell"Public funding for health services in England comes from Department of Health and Social Care’s budget. The Department’s spending in 2023/24 was £188.5 billion" 4.8bn increase in GDP sounds nice too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp-of-the-united-kingdom/"The gross domestic product of the United Kingdom was around 2.56 trillion British pounds, an increase when compared to the previous year, when UK GDP amounted to about 2.54 trillion pounds."
"Getting more is a bad deal" - Razyda, 2025.
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On May 08 2025 19:44 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 19:31 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 08 2025 19:24 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 18:48 Sent. wrote:
Can't populists easily counter that with claiming this will only benefit the rich who will get even richer while making the job market and life in general worse for the common people? It's not like they desperately need slightly cheaper shoes or t-shirts.
To be clear, I'm not agreeing with the above. I'm just saying this looks like a good opportunity to score some populist points. Sure, but the Brexiteers in Reform have often said that one of the benefits of leaving the EU would be the ability to independently negotiate trade deals, so complaining about an independently negotiated trade deal that increases GDP could easily become an own goal if said complaints were properly responded to. You are assuming that logic is factor in these matters. I know. I'm also assuming there's a way to properly respond that will reach Reform voters. How many of the people who are likely to vote Reform are reading anything other than tabloids and/or their social media feeds?
You probably want your own voters to show up more than you want Reform voters to be reached, especially since efforts to reach Reform voters are not just likely to be unproductive, they're also likely to put off your own voters.
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On May 08 2025 19:47 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 19:42 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 18:04 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" "The UK-India agreement is estimated to bring in a £25.5bn boost to bilateral trade and a £4.8bn annual increase in UK GDP, simplifying exports of UK goods to India and cutting taxes on Indian clothing and footwear exports." Yeah, this sounds like a terrible trade deal... Yeah 25.5 billion is nice figure in void. To put it into perspective: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/data-and-charts/nhs-budget-nutshell"Public funding for health services in England comes from Department of Health and Social Care’s budget. The Department’s spending in 2023/24 was £188.5 billion" 4.8bn increase in GDP sounds nice too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp-of-the-united-kingdom/"The gross domestic product of the United Kingdom was around 2.56 trillion British pounds, an increase when compared to the previous year, when UK GDP amounted to about 2.54 trillion pounds." "Getting more is a bad deal" - Razyda, 2025.
Well, well, well I guess I found mythical creature happy with 10p salary rise. Fun fact - it happened to a fried of mine, he got £1.2 salary rise. I never seen anyone so pissed.
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On May 09 2025 10:54 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2025 19:47 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 19:42 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 18:04 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" "The UK-India agreement is estimated to bring in a £25.5bn boost to bilateral trade and a £4.8bn annual increase in UK GDP, simplifying exports of UK goods to India and cutting taxes on Indian clothing and footwear exports." Yeah, this sounds like a terrible trade deal... Yeah 25.5 billion is nice figure in void. To put it into perspective: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/data-and-charts/nhs-budget-nutshell"Public funding for health services in England comes from Department of Health and Social Care’s budget. The Department’s spending in 2023/24 was £188.5 billion" 4.8bn increase in GDP sounds nice too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp-of-the-united-kingdom/"The gross domestic product of the United Kingdom was around 2.56 trillion British pounds, an increase when compared to the previous year, when UK GDP amounted to about 2.54 trillion pounds." "Getting more is a bad deal" - Razyda, 2025. Well, well, well I guess I found mythical creature happy with 10p salary rise. Fun fact - it happened to a fried of mine, he got £1.2 salary rise. I never seen anyone so pissed.
Are Reform going to get you a 1.50 salary rise?
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On May 09 2025 11:21 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2025 10:54 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 19:47 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 19:42 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 18:04 MJG wrote:On May 08 2025 00:59 Razyda wrote:On May 08 2025 00:07 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 23:30 Razyda wrote:On May 07 2025 22:41 KwarK wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. How much would you bet on Reform winning the election? I’d give you 10:1. Given that there is still 4 years to ban them I would expect something in the high 3 digits rather than 10. On May 07 2025 23:06 WombaT wrote:On May 07 2025 16:27 Razyda wrote:Okay it is official now - Reform takes next election: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-in-the-uk-india-trade-deal-13362856"Both UK workers in India and Indian workers in the UK will only pay tax in their country of origin rather than the one they're living in, under the agreement. Indian workers transferred to the UK - and their employers - won't have to pay national insurance contributions for three years." So unless Reform gets banned, or something, all they have to do is repeat bolded ad nauseum. Edit: typo. It’s almost like you have to make concessions to agree trade deals. If this tips the scales for a Reform victory our nation is dumber than I’d previously thought. And that was already quite a low bar. They appear to desire the impossible and steadfastly refuse to learn, or admit they got things wrong. They were warned that you’d be leaving a lot of potential money on the table by leaving the EU, and that the UK wouldn’t have a queue of suitors, desperate to appease the UK in terms of subsequent trade deals. Trade deals you ideally need to compensate from leaving the UK in the first place. Thing is, it doesnt matter. People were angry at tories, voted labour, now they get angrier and angrier at labour and will vote for something else. Happens to be reform as of now. In your last 2 paragraphs you basically making my point. It was a point that could be attached to your post yes, equally you didn’t really frame it explicitly when you were making it. Could read as pro-Reform, could read as ‘this is a bad policy’, could also read as ‘this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’. What is your actual position here? Pretty much this: "this policy isn’t too bad, but it’s gonna make people angry and they’re going to vote Reform’" Except I would replace "this policy isnt to bad" with "this trade deal is bad, in particular if you consider that NIC were increased this year" "The UK-India agreement is estimated to bring in a £25.5bn boost to bilateral trade and a £4.8bn annual increase in UK GDP, simplifying exports of UK goods to India and cutting taxes on Indian clothing and footwear exports." Yeah, this sounds like a terrible trade deal... Yeah 25.5 billion is nice figure in void. To put it into perspective: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/data-and-charts/nhs-budget-nutshell"Public funding for health services in England comes from Department of Health and Social Care’s budget. The Department’s spending in 2023/24 was £188.5 billion" 4.8bn increase in GDP sounds nice too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/281744/gdp-of-the-united-kingdom/"The gross domestic product of the United Kingdom was around 2.56 trillion British pounds, an increase when compared to the previous year, when UK GDP amounted to about 2.54 trillion pounds." "Getting more is a bad deal" - Razyda, 2025. Well, well, well I guess I found mythical creature happy with 10p salary rise. Fun fact - it happened to a fried of mine, he got £1.2 salary rise. I never seen anyone so pissed. Are Reform going to get you a 1.50 salary rise?
Wombat: I am Polish in the UK, I am literally the reason Brexit happened. Farage and UKiP (currently reform), are directly responsible for all the inconveniences I have now when traveling to visit family, or trying to buy something from the EU. I cant even vote in national elections So if you think I support reform you are wrong, because what I am doing is simply saying:: reform is going to win next election.
As for your question: no they wont, like wtf? if they did they would be dead on arrival . My guess is they will lower somehow British citizens income taxes and rise the ones of everyone they not fancy. My another guess is it will become incredibly popular.
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