EPTHe and Truss were a package though, I'm really not sure what she can do without him, except being relegated to 'puppet'.
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
He and Truss were a package though, I'm really not sure what she can do without him, except being relegated to 'puppet'. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25347 Posts
I don’t see who this placates. Us avowed non-Tories aren’t going to be moved regardless so we’re irrelevant. The more middle ground Tories well, how on Earth can you consider Truss and Kwarteng as separate entities when it pertains to this budget disaster? If the axe is to swing may as well swing it fully, than leave number 11 vacant (again) If you’re part of the wing of Conservative thought that stuck Truss into the hot seat, well in effect her cabinet has lost the number 2 by well, doing basically what they said they were going to do. An omnishambles as that soothsayer of truth Malcolm Tucker would say. Much as I personally disagreed with it, and still do, at least Labour decapitated Corbyn and the left wing of the party semi-cleanly. The Tories have completely fragmented their party in the last 6/7 years. Brexit positions, one nation Tories, unionists, people who don’t give a fuck about the union outside of England, folks on the centre ground and radical economic libertarians. Little personal alliances that preclude qualified folks from being called to cabinets. It’s a complete fucking mess and they decide to exert pressure like this? It’s the equivalent of a fatal gut shot, Truss is toast now, she’s done but they’re (as of time of going to press) going to let her shamble on, mortally wounded rather than put her out of her misery. Farcical | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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KwarK
United States42693 Posts
Only reason she has the job is because there’s nobody to fire her. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21687 Posts
On October 14 2022 22:15 KwarK wrote: Sure she can. You just need to not have a position to begin with, do as your told (cut taxes for the rich) and then ride it out for as long as you can cashing in where able.I don’t get it. She ran on this Chancellor, these policies, this budget. She can’t now disavow herself from the disastrous failures of herself. Either she believes in her leadership in which case she should hold her course steady and see her policies through or she doesn’t believe in her leadership in which case she should resign. She can’t attempt to put distance between herself and the catastrophic economic policies she chose. Only reason she has the job is because there’s nobody to fire her. And its not like everyone didn't see something like this (maybe not quite to catastrophic) coming, all I've heard about her since she became Boris's Foreign Secretary was that she was famous for doing backbreaking U-turns. I can't say the English are getting exactly what they voted for since Truss was not elected (but we have to leave the EU because its undemocratic my arse) but the Tories got exactly what they wanted. They just hoped the world's financial institutions would have let them get away with it, or expected that aswell and actively bet against the UK economy after her election. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Question is who will take over? Sunak, Mordaunt, Gove? Personally I think they need a very good communicator, who doesn’t have a lot of enemies in the party and who could create a cabinet that contained all the talents the con party has. Only person who I could see being able to do that is Kemi Badenoch. Never going to happen but I think it is probably the only way they could win the next election. Sunak/Mordaunt is probably back to safe government but inevitable defeat. Gove would be very interesting I suspect he would govern very well but probably has too many enemies and public opinion set against him to ever get there or win an election. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 15 2022 02:59 Oukka wrote: At this point it feels that strategically it wouldn't be the worst thing for Tories to have a vote of no-confidence on their own government, dissolve it and force a GE that they would likely lose. That gives them some time to sort their own ranks out, they clearly need it badly, and the situation that Labour government would inherit is unlikely to improve very quickly. Then run a new election in a 2027 on the old "Labour bad, country in shambles" mantra. Obviously risky as there is a chance Labour might manage a swifter turnaround, or global conditions help enough, but one would think that the long term damage to Tory party might still be lower at that point. They are never going into an election 30 points down unless they have to. They would be wiped out down to less than 100 MPs losing most of their talent in the process and not able to lead the party. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On October 15 2022 03:12 Zaros wrote: They are never going into an election 30 points down unless they have to. They would be wiped out down to less than 100 MPs losing most of their talent in the process and not able to lead the party. Do you think they currently have talent to lose? Or that Truss is able to lead the party? I think those two are the exact reasons why a stint out of the spotlight would exactly be helpful. Foster new talent and iron out the factionalism that was pointed to above. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13935 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 15 2022 03:15 Oukka wrote: Do you think they currently have talent to lose? Or that Truss is able to lead the party? I think those two are the exact reasons why a stint out of the spotlight would exactly be helpful. Foster new talent and iron out the factionalism that was pointed to above. There are enough talented people to fill a government, just they tend to hitch their wagon to a particular contender for the leadership and the current and previous PMs haven’t liked hiring anyone who didn’t support them. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Boy this man is a flag in the wind, turning every which way the wind blows from Westminster. Come together to profit from the growth. This is such a shitshow. What did they say to Gordon Brown, was it? they are in government, but not in power. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
For once delivering on promises awkwardly backfired hard when talk talk talk finally collides with reality. No simple pawn sacrifice should suffice to redeem any shred of credibility this party of .... morons? ever held. They seem to suffer a king complex where they consider themselves the adult in the room of benefit opportunists who has to do the hard thing and make austerity and market worship a thing again. While none of them or any of their peers suffer the consequences themselves. This is so unreal. Flashbacks to 2016 with Brexit and election of Trump. edit: The man EVEN SAID SO HIMSELF! Now, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. There is now two weeks in which we are going to go through a process of doing that but I think that what the country will see at the end of that process is a government that is willing to do the tough and difficult things to secure the long term prosperity that we all want for our families. Guardian Even throwing in the conservative family buzzword, only missing the NHS. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
I thought this kind of thing would cause a major, massive diplomatic incident. They came on to UK soil to drag a guy into embassy grounds so they could beat him up for offending their leader. Surely that is the Chinese government abducting a UK resident on UK soil?? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Also is there an answer why she wasn't during Question time only to reappear in the middle of it? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 18 2022 05:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So Jeremy Hunt is now in charge basically? I mean wasn't the economic plan etc. the idea of Liz Truss? he just disowned all of that, so now what? Also is there an answer why she wasn't during Question time only to reappear in the middle of it? the former and current conservative leaders are cowards though reconsidering im not sure whether that fits Truss... might just be a bit much happening right now. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21687 Posts
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