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On September 22 2022 04:55 Melliflue wrote:
I think Truss is not concerned about ever winning a general election. She will do whatever the Tory donors want - cut taxes, environmental protections, worker rights, ... - and then take a six-figure 'consultant' job.
I don't think anyone ever takes the role of Prime Minister with the expectation of not running again.
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On September 22 2022 16:23 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2022 04:55 Melliflue wrote:
I think Truss is not concerned about ever winning a general election. She will do whatever the Tory donors want - cut taxes, environmental protections, worker rights, ... - and then take a six-figure 'consultant' job. I don't think anyone ever takes the role of Prime Minister with the expectation of not running again.
David Cameron
John Major
That's the list of tory leaders who have run in more than one election since 1990
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The tories coming across like a mass economic suicide cult right now.
Economy and ideology don't really mix. There's a time and a place for certain policies, and massive tax cuts are not appropriate right now.
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On September 22 2022 15:57 Oukka wrote:
Yep. It might be on me and what I've read, or the media coverage in wider, but at least I cannot even begin too see a vision of what she wants to do, how she intends to make the country better. Even BoJo had a vision, a stupid vision at that, but there was one. With Truss it seems like only stupid is left.
When you’re pining for Boris, you know you’ve got a pretty bad PM.
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On September 29 2022 18:47 plasmidghost wrote:
Jesus yesterday must have been terrifying for the British. Truss seems absolutely defiant against changing course which makes me think the Bank of England is going to have to do a lot more in the immediate future
She just did a bunch of interviews trying to calm the situation down and you can see the whole economy deteriorate in real time the more words she says.
She's a disaster.
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It's not exactly a surprise since she seemed foot-in-mouth at best from the first time I heard her speak (like a year ago at this point), but I'm certainly pleased with how badly Truss is doing as PM right now.
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I wonder how many of the older poms who voted for Brexit because they don't like "being told what to do by those bloody mainlanders" are feeling about their voting choices the last few years now that their pension funds are in danger of disappearing.
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Why hasn't labor come out and said that they're for rejoining the EU? After the years now of issues or broken promises, a blind person in a house has to be able to see which way the wind is blowing on this.
This and the way that the last couple of PM's have been elected they can't miss that this is the way to get back into power, can't they?
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Rejoining the EU is a weak position right now Sermokala, I know its hard to believe but people don't like being ruled by unelected elite.
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On September 30 2022 01:30 Sermokala wrote:
Why hasn't labor come out and said that they're for rejoining the EU? After the years now of issues or broken promises, a blind person in a house has to be able to see which way the wind is blowing on this.
This and the way that the last couple of PM's have been elected they can't miss that this is the way to get back into power, can't they?
Brexit tore Labour apart once, they have a massive lead in the polls right now so it could only hurt them, and very badly too.
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On September 30 2022 01:34 Taelshin wrote:
Rejoining the EU is a weak position right now Sermokala, I know its hard to believe but people don't like being ruled by unelected elite.
In the UK? Isn't the UK basically the poster land of being ruled by unelected Elite, with Queens and Kings and a House of Lords? With prime ministers being chosen in between elections by some party gremium?
People seem to be okay with all of that.
Also, the EU is not unelected.
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On September 30 2022 01:34 Taelshin wrote:
Rejoining the EU is a weak position right now Sermokala, I know its hard to believe but people don't like being ruled by unelected elite.
Tell me the EU President is less elected than the UK PM Please I dare you.
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Seriously don't underestimate how traumatic the process of deciding and carrying out Brexit was for our country. It ripped families apart, destroyed our political system and directly led to the idiots we've had in charge.
Trying to re-enter would just be more trauma, not fixing anything.
For a start, what if we rejoin and then Starmer gets elected?
Do you really think there'd be any peace in our country at all for the 5 years after that? Nah, it would be Brexit Brexit Brexit traitors traitors traitors and all that anger would be aimed, once again, at the fairly reasonable centre ground of our politics from both sides.
The world is just trying to recover from the last time that box was opened 6-7 years ago.
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On September 30 2022 01:30 Sermokala wrote:
Why hasn't labor come out and said that they're for rejoining the EU? After the years now of issues or broken promises, a blind person in a house has to be able to see which way the wind is blowing on this.
This and the way that the last couple of PM's have been elected they can't miss that this is the way to get back into power, can't they?
The EU kills campaigns and destroys parties. It has wrecked the Tories. Labour’s stance has been change nothing, in or out, because it’s less controversial.
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On September 30 2022 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Seriously don't underestimate how traumatic the process of deciding and carrying out Brexit was for our country. It ripped families apart, destroyed our political system and directly led to the idiots we've had in charge.
Trying to re-enter would just be more trauma, not fixing anything.
For a start, what if we rejoin and then Starmer gets elected?
Do you really think there'd be any peace in our country at all for the 5 years after that? Nah, it would be Brexit Brexit Brexit traitors traitors traitors and all that anger would be aimed, once again, at the fairly reasonable centre ground of our politics from both sides.
The world is just trying to recover from the last time that box was opened 6-7 years ago.
I don't know how it wouldn't fix something at all. The movement of labor would stabilize a lot of the issues that we saw with trucking and farm labor. The resumption of normal trade would measurably better the economy.
I just don't see how things are suppose to get better for the UK.
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On September 29 2022 22:44 DropBear wrote:
I wonder how many of the older poms who voted for Brexit because they don't like "being told what to do by those bloody mainlanders" are feeling about their voting choices the last few years now that their pension funds are in danger of disappearing.
Fuck em.
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On September 30 2022 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Seriously don't underestimate how traumatic the process of deciding and carrying out Brexit was for our country. It ripped families apart, destroyed our political system and directly led to the idiots we've had in charge.
Trying to re-enter would just be more trauma, not fixing anything.
For a start, what if we rejoin and then Starmer gets elected?
Do you really think there'd be any peace in our country at all for the 5 years after that? Nah, it would be Brexit Brexit Brexit traitors traitors traitors and all that anger would be aimed, once again, at the fairly reasonable centre ground of our politics from both sides.
The world is just trying to recover from the last time that box was opened 6-7 years ago.
Is it recovering though? Certainly is not over here.
It’ll be traumatic whatever course is taken, outside of some once in a generation elite statesperson somehow knitting together some degree of unity through some central pillars.
Current course you have trauma, rejoining the EU you’ll have trauma and discord too. If that’s a commonality well, pragmatic concerns should serve as a tie-breaker and you can probably guess which way I’m leaning there.
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On September 30 2022 02:47 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2022 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
Seriously don't underestimate how traumatic the process of deciding and carrying out Brexit was for our country. It ripped families apart, destroyed our political system and directly led to the idiots we've had in charge.
Trying to re-enter would just be more trauma, not fixing anything.
For a start, what if we rejoin and then Starmer gets elected?
Do you really think there'd be any peace in our country at all for the 5 years after that? Nah, it would be Brexit Brexit Brexit traitors traitors traitors and all that anger would be aimed, once again, at the fairly reasonable centre ground of our politics from both sides.
The world is just trying to recover from the last time that box was opened 6-7 years ago. I don't know how it wouldn't fix something at all. The movement of labor would stabilize a lot of the issues that we saw with trucking and farm labor. The resumption of normal trade would measurably better the economy. I just don't see how things are suppose to get better for the UK.
1: Re-entering probably wouldn't win a vote, and would turn the same people against the Labour party that it turned against them last time.
2: Labour was split on Brexit, voters and MPs. Why tear the party in half when you have a 30 point lead in the polls for the first time in forever?
It would be suicide for Labour. We've already got the tories committing economic suicide, Labour doing this at the same time would just be insane.
Re-entering the EU at some point is something I definitely agree with personally. But the problems and unrest it would cause would 100% not be worth it. We need someone to calm things down, not make riots happen.
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On September 30 2022 01:36 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2022 01:34 Taelshin wrote:
Rejoining the EU is a weak position right now Sermokala, I know its hard to believe but people don't like being ruled by unelected elite. In the UK? Isn't the UK basically the poster land of being ruled by unelected Elite, with Queens and Kings and a House of Lords? With prime ministers being chosen in between elections by some party gremium? People seem to be okay with all of that. Also, the EU is not unelected.
Party leaders chosen by their party is how it works in every parliamentary system. The UK only really differs from the mainland with the house of lords.
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