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On September 09 2022 03:21 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2022 00:34 Garrl wrote:
You'd think they'd have some more pressing news, like, I dunno, the new PM appointing an anti abortion deputy PM, or the ongoing cost of living crisis, or the government admitting to yet more covid funding corruption.
But nah, stop the presses, a 96-year-old is going to die. She has been Queen longer than most people have been alive. She's seen the rise and fall of UK as the global superpower, and the coming and going of tens of governments. The current one is just a blip on her decades of rule. I have dozens of portraits of her within a couple meters of me(cash/coin), and probably thousands in my building alone. I can't think of many people more iconic or newsworthy. May she rest in peace.
Not to sound insensitive, but has she done anything impactful in recent decades? It seems to me that the royalty in the UK stays away from politics.
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Not to be too crass but if I had to meet my country's new prime minister and it's Liz Truss, I'd also die
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On September 09 2022 03:48 WombaT wrote:
I am, and shall remain a staunch Republican, but I found Elizabeth to be a personally admirable, formidable woman, one who understood what public service and duty mean.
Rest in peace
Well said.
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On September 09 2022 04:29 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2022 03:21 Amui wrote:On September 09 2022 00:34 Garrl wrote:
You'd think they'd have some more pressing news, like, I dunno, the new PM appointing an anti abortion deputy PM, or the ongoing cost of living crisis, or the government admitting to yet more covid funding corruption.
But nah, stop the presses, a 96-year-old is going to die. She has been Queen longer than most people have been alive. She's seen the rise and fall of UK as the global superpower, and the coming and going of tens of governments. The current one is just a blip on her decades of rule. I have dozens of portraits of her within a couple meters of me(cash/coin), and probably thousands in my building alone. I can't think of many people more iconic or newsworthy. May she rest in peace. Not to sound insensitive, but has she done anything impactful in recent decades? It seems to me that the royalty in the UK stays away from politics.
That’s more or less the point. An apolitical anchor representing stability and continuity. Her job was to not really do anything.
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On September 09 2022 08:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2022 04:29 maybenexttime wrote:On September 09 2022 03:21 Amui wrote:On September 09 2022 00:34 Garrl wrote:
You'd think they'd have some more pressing news, like, I dunno, the new PM appointing an anti abortion deputy PM, or the ongoing cost of living crisis, or the government admitting to yet more covid funding corruption.
But nah, stop the presses, a 96-year-old is going to die. She has been Queen longer than most people have been alive. She's seen the rise and fall of UK as the global superpower, and the coming and going of tens of governments. The current one is just a blip on her decades of rule. I have dozens of portraits of her within a couple meters of me(cash/coin), and probably thousands in my building alone. I can't think of many people more iconic or newsworthy. May she rest in peace. Not to sound insensitive, but has she done anything impactful in recent decades? It seems to me that the royalty in the UK stays away from politics. That’s more or less the point. An apolitical anchor representing stability and continuity. Her job was to not really do anything.
Which is probably the best a Monarch can do. One can question whether you actually need a Monarch who does nothing, but a Monarch who does nothing is a lot better than a Monarch who does something.
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It helps when you have such a chaotic system like British parliamentarianism that would potentially struggle with legitimacy if there wasn't such a force to anchor it in tradition and process like the monarch. An executive that is selected from 142k odd people to rule seems silly without context.
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On September 09 2022 08:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2022 04:29 maybenexttime wrote:On September 09 2022 03:21 Amui wrote:On September 09 2022 00:34 Garrl wrote:
You'd think they'd have some more pressing news, like, I dunno, the new PM appointing an anti abortion deputy PM, or the ongoing cost of living crisis, or the government admitting to yet more covid funding corruption.
But nah, stop the presses, a 96-year-old is going to die. She has been Queen longer than most people have been alive. She's seen the rise and fall of UK as the global superpower, and the coming and going of tens of governments. The current one is just a blip on her decades of rule. I have dozens of portraits of her within a couple meters of me(cash/coin), and probably thousands in my building alone. I can't think of many people more iconic or newsworthy. May she rest in peace. Not to sound insensitive, but has she done anything impactful in recent decades? It seems to me that the royalty in the UK stays away from politics. That’s more or less the point. An apolitical anchor representing stability and continuity. Her job was to not really do anything.
Yeah, I get that. I just don't understand how that warrants considering her great. She was effectively a celebrity who managed to stay out of major scandals for a few decades, not a national leader.
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On September 09 2022 17:24 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2022 08:25 KwarK wrote:On September 09 2022 04:29 maybenexttime wrote:On September 09 2022 03:21 Amui wrote:On September 09 2022 00:34 Garrl wrote:
You'd think they'd have some more pressing news, like, I dunno, the new PM appointing an anti abortion deputy PM, or the ongoing cost of living crisis, or the government admitting to yet more covid funding corruption.
But nah, stop the presses, a 96-year-old is going to die. She has been Queen longer than most people have been alive. She's seen the rise and fall of UK as the global superpower, and the coming and going of tens of governments. The current one is just a blip on her decades of rule. I have dozens of portraits of her within a couple meters of me(cash/coin), and probably thousands in my building alone. I can't think of many people more iconic or newsworthy. May she rest in peace. Not to sound insensitive, but has she done anything impactful in recent decades? It seems to me that the royalty in the UK stays away from politics. That’s more or less the point. An apolitical anchor representing stability and continuity. Her job was to not really do anything. Yeah, I get that. I just don't understand how that warrants considering her great. She was effectively a celebrity who managed to stay out of major scandals for a few decades, not a national leader.
I think to truly understand what she meant to the people you just have to be born and raised British.
To us outsiders she was just a figurehead,
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So do the poms have to change their national anthem now? Unless they consider Charles their Queen
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On September 11 2022 02:59 DropBear wrote:
So do the poms have to change their national anthem now? Unless they consider Charles their Queen
They already changed it.
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On September 11 2022 03:12 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2022 02:59 DropBear wrote:
So do the poms have to change their national anthem now? Unless they consider Charles their Queen They already changed it.
Its gonna be years before everyone can reliably get it right.
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On September 11 2022 02:59 DropBear wrote:
So do the poms have to change their national anthem now? Unless they consider Charles their Queen
Yeah They're going to have to re-record/relarn anthems across the globe now. Also change how they speak of every ship in their navies. Its "His Majesty's ship" now.
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Northern Ireland25364 Posts
Never learned the last one so I’ll be alright
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Will Elisabeth be the last royalty to deny their offspring marrying their true love?
I know she gave the approval to naming Camilla "queen consort" in the end, but she surely caused a mess permanently damaging the royal institution by initially shutting her out of the royal family for decades.
The Norwegian princess Martha will soon marry a self proclaimed "shaman" and modern a snake-oil salesman, and organisations are fleeing her "protection". Fortunately, she can't ever be queen.
Elisabeth was a major uniting figure holding the archaic celebshow together, but many of the younger generations are seeking out of forced careers and lifestyles, despite the privileges.
How long will the royal families prevail? Electing a person for ceremonial duties and representation like Finland and Iceland just seems better in every way.
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On September 12 2022 05:51 Slydie wrote:
Will Elisabeth be the last royalty to deny their offspring marrying their true love?
I know she gave the approval to naming Camilla "queen consort" in the end, but she surely caused a mess permanently damaging the royal institution by initially shutting her out of the royal family for decades.
The Norwegian princess Martha will soon marry a self proclaimed "shaman" and modern a snake-oil salesman, and organisations are fleeing her "protection". Fortunately, she can't ever be queen.
Elisabeth was a major uniting figure holding the archaic celebshow together, but many of the younger generations are seeking out of forced careers and lifestyles, despite the privileges.
How long will the royal families prevail? Electing a person for ceremonial duties and representation like Finland and Iceland just seems better in every way.
I think that even if the monarchy was abolished and a president was instituted, it still wouldn't be an elected role.
Most often, presidents in parliamentary systems are appointed.
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Northern Ireland25364 Posts
On September 12 2022 17:11 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 05:51 Slydie wrote:
Will Elisabeth be the last royalty to deny their offspring marrying their true love?
I know she gave the approval to naming Camilla "queen consort" in the end, but she surely caused a mess permanently damaging the royal institution by initially shutting her out of the royal family for decades.
The Norwegian princess Martha will soon marry a self proclaimed "shaman" and modern a snake-oil salesman, and organisations are fleeing her "protection". Fortunately, she can't ever be queen.
Elisabeth was a major uniting figure holding the archaic celebshow together, but many of the younger generations are seeking out of forced careers and lifestyles, despite the privileges.
How long will the royal families prevail? Electing a person for ceremonial duties and representation like Finland and Iceland just seems better in every way. I think that even if the monarchy was abolished and a president was instituted, it still wouldn't be an elected role. Most often, presidents in parliamentary systems are appointed.
It does vary but the Irish just elect theirs, seems to work fine.
David Attenborough as President until he kicks the bucket, not seeing many downsides there
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Northern Ireland25364 Posts
I mean if one is utterly deluded, maybe?
At least Cameron had some of that ‘one nation’ Conservatism that at least tried to help average Joe/Jane, and elements of that persisted even through Boris. Sunak wasn’t entirely averse to such things either.
Truss is just like ‘fuck it, trickle down economics’ and not much else.
It’s not going to end well, and I’m at the stage I can’t enjoy the train wreck, coming as it does in a chain of train wrecks and at the point it really materially impacts on many of our lives.
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I think Truss is not concerned about ever winning a general election. She will do whatever the Tory donors want - cut taxes, environmental protections, worker rights, ... - and then take a six-figure 'consultant' job.
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Yep. It might be on me and what I've read, or the media coverage in wider, but at least I cannot even begin too see a vision of what she wants to do, how she intends to make the country better. Even BoJo had a vision, a stupid vision at that, but there was one. With Truss it seems like only stupid is left.
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