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Most Bizarre resignation ever how he just walks off makes me laugh.
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I don't even know what to make of this.
Was he trying to be honourable?
I don't get it haha.
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On February 01 2018 02:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't even know what to make of this.
Was he trying to be honourable?
I don't get it haha.
I don't think anyone gets it
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He seems really sincere. I don't get it either.
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looks like it came to nothing
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On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors.
Thing is, they all know this.
May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP.
I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution.
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It was totally worth it, IMO. I need more painfully polite British royals tripping over themselves for being 2 minutes late. It’s fucking refreshing in the year of our lord 2018.
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On February 02 2018 09:43 Plansix wrote:It was totally worth it, IMO. I need more painfully polite British royals tripping over themselves for being 2 minutes late. It’s fucking refreshing in the year of our lord 2018.
Sorry to be irritatingly pedantic, but I don't think Lord Bates is a Royal. Membership of the House of Lords isn't exclusively for, and isn't held by many, royals and those that do are quite far detached from the royal family. The HoL is a legislative body and the lords in it are nominated by parties for non-hereditary life peerages.
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On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution.
Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything.
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On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything.
That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure.
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On February 02 2018 19:28 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything. That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure.
I agree the party is an incompetent mess at the moment but even in the Cameron years where it wasn't incompetent Gove was the person who got things done, Education is obviously controversial and he is not popular with teachers but he enacted massive change quickly and probably framed it in the wrong way, I think at Justice he learned from that and he had all the stakeholders on side before Theresa May booted him out, now again on the Environment he is reforming without alienating a large stakeholder. If you want things to change then he is the best politician to have running a department (or perhaps the country if May goes) at the moment.
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On February 02 2018 19:47 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 19:28 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything. That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure. I agree the party is an incompetent mess at the moment but even in the Cameron years where it wasn't incompetent Gove was the person who got things done, Education is obviously controversial and he is not popular with teachers but he enacted massive change quickly and probably framed it in the wrong way, I think at Justice he learned from that and he had all the stakeholders on side before Theresa May booted him out, now again on the Environment he is reforming without alienating a large stakeholder. If you want things to change then he is the best politician to have running a department (or perhaps the country if May goes) at the moment.
I don't think you can argue the Cameron years were particularly competent - his crowning achievement is apprenticeships, after all is said and done (gay marriage doesn't count because a majority of Tories didn't vote in favour). He was moderately competent as Justice, and he is moderately competent now. I don't think he should lead the country though, thougj I'm not sure the Tories have any particular talent to offer up regardless.
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On February 02 2018 20:57 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 19:47 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 19:28 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything. That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure. I agree the party is an incompetent mess at the moment but even in the Cameron years where it wasn't incompetent Gove was the person who got things done, Education is obviously controversial and he is not popular with teachers but he enacted massive change quickly and probably framed it in the wrong way, I think at Justice he learned from that and he had all the stakeholders on side before Theresa May booted him out, now again on the Environment he is reforming without alienating a large stakeholder. If you want things to change then he is the best politician to have running a department (or perhaps the country if May goes) at the moment. I don't think you can argue the Cameron years were particularly competent - his crowning achievement is apprenticeships, after all is said and done (gay marriage doesn't count because a majority of Tories didn't vote in favour). He was moderately competent as Justice, and he is moderately competent now. I don't think he should lead the country though, thougj I'm not sure the Tories have any particular talent to offer up regardless.
His main selling point seems to be that he isn't Boris Johnson.
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On February 02 2018 20:57 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 19:47 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 19:28 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything. That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure. I agree the party is an incompetent mess at the moment but even in the Cameron years where it wasn't incompetent Gove was the person who got things done, Education is obviously controversial and he is not popular with teachers but he enacted massive change quickly and probably framed it in the wrong way, I think at Justice he learned from that and he had all the stakeholders on side before Theresa May booted him out, now again on the Environment he is reforming without alienating a large stakeholder. If you want things to change then he is the best politician to have running a department (or perhaps the country if May goes) at the moment. I don't think you can argue the Cameron years were particularly competent - his crowning achievement is apprenticeships, after all is said and done (gay marriage doesn't count because a majority of Tories didn't vote in favour). He was moderately competent as Justice, and he is moderately competent now. I don't think he should lead the country though, thougj I'm not sure the Tories have any particular talent to offer up regardless.
Cameron lead a coalition for the first time in 70 years of British history with no major fault lines and arguments just a bit of a tiff over house of lords reform/boundaries, had major education reform (contentious I know,) the economy steadied and grew, unemployment dropped dramatically the biggest increase in employment ever I believe, major social security reform (again contentious,) introduced Gay Marriage despite his own parties reluctance and I think in general Cameron was seen as a competent leader on the world stage who gave a good impression of Britain.
As for Gove being the next leader he enacts change, he has a vision of post brexit Britain and knows how to get there, things which are all being sort after at the moment.
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On February 02 2018 21:44 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 20:57 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:47 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 19:28 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything. That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure. I agree the party is an incompetent mess at the moment but even in the Cameron years where it wasn't incompetent Gove was the person who got things done, Education is obviously controversial and he is not popular with teachers but he enacted massive change quickly and probably framed it in the wrong way, I think at Justice he learned from that and he had all the stakeholders on side before Theresa May booted him out, now again on the Environment he is reforming without alienating a large stakeholder. If you want things to change then he is the best politician to have running a department (or perhaps the country if May goes) at the moment. I don't think you can argue the Cameron years were particularly competent - his crowning achievement is apprenticeships, after all is said and done (gay marriage doesn't count because a majority of Tories didn't vote in favour). He was moderately competent as Justice, and he is moderately competent now. I don't think he should lead the country though, thougj I'm not sure the Tories have any particular talent to offer up regardless. Cameron lead a coalition for the first time in 70 years of British history with no major fault lines and arguments just a bit of a tiff over house of lords reform/boundaries, had major education reform (contentious I know,) the economy steadied and grew, unemployment dropped dramatically the biggest increase in employment ever I believe, major social security reform (again contentious,) introduced Gay Marriage despite his own parties reluctance and I think in general Cameron was seen as a competent leader on the world stage who gave a good impression of Britain. As for Gove being the next leader he enacts change, he has a vision of post brexit Britain and knows how to get there, things which are all being sort after at the moment.
Education reform can hardly be seen as positive given the mass exodus of teachers from the field. Austerity delayed uk economic growth that had begun under Labour, at the cost of enormous damage to public services and peoples' lives. If the Tories want to take credit for unemployment dropping fair enough, but then they have to take responsibility for the productivity crisis and drop in living standards. When we look back at the Cameron era, it will be marked by the twin catastrophes of austerity and Brexit, both entirely his fault.
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On February 02 2018 22:24 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 21:44 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 20:57 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:47 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 19:28 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything. That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure. I agree the party is an incompetent mess at the moment but even in the Cameron years where it wasn't incompetent Gove was the person who got things done, Education is obviously controversial and he is not popular with teachers but he enacted massive change quickly and probably framed it in the wrong way, I think at Justice he learned from that and he had all the stakeholders on side before Theresa May booted him out, now again on the Environment he is reforming without alienating a large stakeholder. If you want things to change then he is the best politician to have running a department (or perhaps the country if May goes) at the moment. I don't think you can argue the Cameron years were particularly competent - his crowning achievement is apprenticeships, after all is said and done (gay marriage doesn't count because a majority of Tories didn't vote in favour). He was moderately competent as Justice, and he is moderately competent now. I don't think he should lead the country though, thougj I'm not sure the Tories have any particular talent to offer up regardless. Cameron lead a coalition for the first time in 70 years of British history with no major fault lines and arguments just a bit of a tiff over house of lords reform/boundaries, had major education reform (contentious I know,) the economy steadied and grew, unemployment dropped dramatically the biggest increase in employment ever I believe, major social security reform (again contentious,) introduced Gay Marriage despite his own parties reluctance and I think in general Cameron was seen as a competent leader on the world stage who gave a good impression of Britain. As for Gove being the next leader he enacts change, he has a vision of post brexit Britain and knows how to get there, things which are all being sort after at the moment. Education reform can hardly be seen as positive given the mass exodus of teachers from the field. Austerity delayed uk economic growth that had begun under Labour, at the cost of enormous damage to public services and peoples' lives. If the Tories want to take credit for unemployment dropping fair enough, but then they have to take responsibility for the productivity crisis and drop in living standards. When we look back at the Cameron era, it will be marked by the twin catastrophes of austerity and Brexit, both entirely his fault.
Yes every government has downsides and I dont agree with all your points but I think Cameron government will be seen as better than the Labour and John Major governments before it.
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On February 02 2018 16:52 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 09:43 Plansix wrote:It was totally worth it, IMO. I need more painfully polite British royals tripping over themselves for being 2 minutes late. It’s fucking refreshing in the year of our lord 2018. Sorry to be irritatingly pedantic, but I don't think Lord Bates is a Royal. Membership of the House of Lords isn't exclusively for, and isn't held by many, royals and those that do are quite far detached from the royal family. The HoL is a legislative body and the lords in it are nominated by parties for non-hereditary life peerages.
To be perfectly honest, the British house of lords seems like the US like the electoral college. It’s a weird ass system that works for you, but it doesn’t make sense to people looking in from the outside.
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Isn't it the opposite? The House of Lords is a weird system that doesn't really make sense but works, whilst the US electoral college system looks like it makes sense but doesn't work out in practise.
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On February 02 2018 21:44 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 20:57 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:47 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 19:28 kollin wrote:On February 02 2018 19:05 Zaros wrote:On February 02 2018 08:55 iamthedave wrote:On January 26 2018 03:47 MyTHicaL wrote:On January 26 2018 02:50 Zaros wrote:
I think shes been sly about where she is on Brexit trying to play both sides, but with the botched reshuffle disaster after disaster and now a softening of the brexit stance some of the MPs are thinking it keeps getting worse we have to get rid of her. I don't think that she is that stupid. She knows that Brexit has no advantageous outcome so is pretending to up-play it to her own party/country, all the while singing a completely different tune to the EU behind closed doors. Thing is, they all know this. May isn't stupid by any means, and few people in the government actually are. Who wants to throw her under the bus just so they can get run over right afterwards? Whoever is in charge of this country through Brexit is screwed. That's near-100% why Cameron resigned; as a giant 'fuck you' to the dickwads in his own party who screwed up his big plan to kill UKIP. I mean, people are saying Michael Gove is one of the front runners to follow May. MICHAEL. GOVE. Mr 'Britain has had enough of experts'. I almost hope it happens. Fucker deserves the career execution. Except that wasn't his actual quote and he is basically the only person in Government actually doing anything. That's only a mark of the total incompetence of the Tories rather than a sign of any real proficiency as a politician. Let's not forget the growing education recruitment crisis started under his tenure. I agree the party is an incompetent mess at the moment but even in the Cameron years where it wasn't incompetent Gove was the person who got things done, Education is obviously controversial and he is not popular with teachers but he enacted massive change quickly and probably framed it in the wrong way, I think at Justice he learned from that and he had all the stakeholders on side before Theresa May booted him out, now again on the Environment he is reforming without alienating a large stakeholder. If you want things to change then he is the best politician to have running a department (or perhaps the country if May goes) at the moment. I don't think you can argue the Cameron years were particularly competent - his crowning achievement is apprenticeships, after all is said and done (gay marriage doesn't count because a majority of Tories didn't vote in favour). He was moderately competent as Justice, and he is moderately competent now. I don't think he should lead the country though, thougj I'm not sure the Tories have any particular talent to offer up regardless. Cameron lead a coalition for the first time in 70 years of British history with no major fault lines and arguments just a bit of a tiff over house of lords reform/boundaries, had major education reform (contentious I know,) the economy steadied and grew, unemployment dropped dramatically the biggest increase in employment ever I believe, major social security reform (again contentious,) introduced Gay Marriage despite his own parties reluctance and I think in general Cameron was seen as a competent leader on the world stage who gave a good impression of Britain. As for Gove being the next leader he enacts change, he has a vision of post brexit Britain and knows how to get there, things which are all being sort after at the moment.
Is this a joke? I want to mention the pig head scandal for one (joke). No but seriously, he went into coalition with the lib dems and successfully managed to kill their entire party so I guess it was a Conservative success? They promised to eliminate university fees, he trippled them. The most hilarious thing that happened to me was lib dems campaigning in the student city I used to live in; they received so many fuck offs knocking on doors... Cameron was a disgrace. I don't believe he had anything to do with the lgbt..q movement.
And if you start comparing him to the present; THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. Bush is better than Trump, that doesn't mean that Bush was in any way a good president.
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