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On October 24 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 16:48 Acrofales wrote:
Is the tap water in all of the UK fit for human consumption? I don't just mean drinkable, I mean not completely foul tasting: the water here in Barcelona is technically drinkable, but usually tastes awful. So most people drink mineral water or have a specific water filter installed. Putting a VAT on mineral water is fine if it's a luxury, but weird if that is what people actually have to drink because tap water tastes vile (I know that in Holland, for instance, it's a frivolous luxury to drink mineral water). It tastes fine wherever I have been. Though in some parts of the country there can be a very strong mineral taste due to water hardness, but I imagine that's the same wherever you go. Most people drink tea or coffee anyways. If Barcelona water tastes horrible, perhaps there is something degrading in the pipes, or they add too much chlorine or something.
Bit of both: too much chlorine and some of the hardest water in the country.
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My guess is: "Because it was a longer time ago"
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Why would it be discussed? The British Empire has no relevence to political discourse in the UK, and hardly anyone alive today lived through it as an adult.
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We have a lot of history to cover as Brits. We're not avoiding the British Empire, it's just not as relevant as say, the English Civil War.
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On October 30 2017 10:03 KwarK wrote:
We have a lot of history to cover as Brits. We're not avoiding the British Empire, it's just not as relevant as say, the English Civil War.
If you refer to 1642–1651, then I'm not sure how it's more relevant. The British Empire collapsed much later than when the Civil War finished. There's a huge gap of years. Then again, I'm not British to judge relevancy here.
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There isn't any European country that really discusses their colonies. It's really not that relevant to the development of western Europe after ww2. Not nearly as much as the USSR for eastern Europe anyway. Another reason is that the colonial powers were the oppressors I guess instead of the oppressed like eastern Europe in the USSR.
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On October 31 2017 04:23 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2017 10:03 KwarK wrote:
We have a lot of history to cover as Brits. We're not avoiding the British Empire, it's just not as relevant as say, the English Civil War. If you refer to 1642–1651, then I'm not sure how it's more relevant. The British Empire collapsed much later than when the Civil War finished. There's a huge gap of years. Then again, I'm not British to judge relevancy here.
The English Civil War was a climatic milestone in the struggle for representation and power, and the transition from absolute monarchy to representative government. It's rather more important to the history of western civilization than that time we went all around the world planting flags on places and being a dick to the people who lived there.
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On October 31 2017 04:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 04:23 sc-darkness wrote:On October 30 2017 10:03 KwarK wrote:
We have a lot of history to cover as Brits. We're not avoiding the British Empire, it's just not as relevant as say, the English Civil War. If you refer to 1642–1651, then I'm not sure how it's more relevant. The British Empire collapsed much later than when the Civil War finished. There's a huge gap of years. Then again, I'm not British to judge relevancy here. The English Civil War was a climatic milestone in the struggle for representation and power, and the transition from absolute monarchy to representative government. It's rather more important to the history of western civilization than that time we went all around the world planting flags on places and being a dick to the people who lived there.
Hang on. Surely by that measure colonialism is just as important, but for world history.
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On October 31 2017 05:00 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 04:42 KwarK wrote:On October 31 2017 04:23 sc-darkness wrote:On October 30 2017 10:03 KwarK wrote:
We have a lot of history to cover as Brits. We're not avoiding the British Empire, it's just not as relevant as say, the English Civil War. If you refer to 1642–1651, then I'm not sure how it's more relevant. The British Empire collapsed much later than when the Civil War finished. There's a huge gap of years. Then again, I'm not British to judge relevancy here. The English Civil War was a climatic milestone in the struggle for representation and power, and the transition from absolute monarchy to representative government. It's rather more important to the history of western civilization than that time we went all around the world planting flags on places and being a dick to the people who lived there. Hang on. Surely by that measure colonialism is just as important, but for world history.
Yes, but not from a specifically British angle. We don't study 1066 for world history.
But yeah, for world history colonialism is important, if only to know why Africa is such a mess now.
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Robert Peston's Facebook status is this:
The growing fear among Tory MPs is that the sexual-harassment scandal is evolving into the equivalent of the MPs' expenses debacle - and that it could bring down the government.
It's all the fault of that bloomin' list of MPs and their alleged misdemeanours that was compiled by Tory aides and was published by the Guido website overnight, with names blacked at.
The blacking out is not preventing reputational damage to a pair of cabinet ministers and several other senior members of the government.
Their names are being openly touted in Westminster - and it won't be long till they are outed on social media, and on offshore websites.
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
That said, any escalation of the scandal that prompted resignations of MPs and by-elections would be a catastrophe for a prime minister and Tory party whose grip on office is the most tenuous of any government since the 1970s.
May somehow needs to hose down this fire pronto.
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On October 31 2017 06:07 Jockmcplop wrote:Robert Peston's Facebook status is this: Show nested quote +
The growing fear among Tory MPs is that the sexual-harassment scandal is evolving into the equivalent of the MPs' expenses debacle - and that it could bring down the government.
It's all the fault of that bloomin' list of MPs and their alleged misdemeanours that was compiled by Tory aides and was published by the Guido website overnight, with names blacked at.
The blacking out is not preventing reputational damage to a pair of cabinet ministers and several other senior members of the government.
Their names are being openly touted in Westminster - and it won't be long till they are outed on social media, and on offshore websites.
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
That said, any escalation of the scandal that prompted resignations of MPs and by-elections would be a catastrophe for a prime minister and Tory party whose grip on office is the most tenuous of any government since the 1970s.
May somehow needs to hose down this fire pronto.
Yowzer. This is going to be fun.
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On October 31 2017 06:24 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 06:07 Jockmcplop wrote:Robert Peston's Facebook status is this:
The growing fear among Tory MPs is that the sexual-harassment scandal is evolving into the equivalent of the MPs' expenses debacle - and that it could bring down the government.
It's all the fault of that bloomin' list of MPs and their alleged misdemeanours that was compiled by Tory aides and was published by the Guido website overnight, with names blacked at.
The blacking out is not preventing reputational damage to a pair of cabinet ministers and several other senior members of the government.
Their names are being openly touted in Westminster - and it won't be long till they are outed on social media, and on offshore websites.
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
That said, any escalation of the scandal that prompted resignations of MPs and by-elections would be a catastrophe for a prime minister and Tory party whose grip on office is the most tenuous of any government since the 1970s.
May somehow needs to hose down this fire pronto.
Yowzer. This is going to be fun.
I think there'll probably be a few really bad cases amongst plenty of infidelity and generally immoral behaviour that you expect from the cocaine ridden halls of the posh.
If the government knew about the really bad stuff and didn't act that will have consequences.
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So far its just Knee touching
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Norway28895 Posts
There are definitely cases that are borderline between flirting/making advances - and even misjudged sexual overtures as she phrases it, and sexual harassment. But putting your hand on someone's knee and stopping when told not to, that does not belong in the latter group.
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On October 31 2017 08:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
There are definitely cases that are borderline between flirting/making advances - and even misjudged sexual overtures as she phrases it, and sexual harassment. But putting your hand on someone's knee and stopping when told not to, that does not belong in the latter group.
I'd imagine plenty of people are not ok with the hand being put there in the first place. Even if you remove it when asked.
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On October 31 2017 08:36 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 08:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
There are definitely cases that are borderline between flirting/making advances - and even misjudged sexual overtures as she phrases it, and sexual harassment. But putting your hand on someone's knee and stopping when told not to, that does not belong in the latter group. I'd imagine plenty of people are not ok with the hand being put there in the first place. Even if you remove it when asked.
Yeah but you wouldn't arrest them for sexual assault.
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yeah like, I'm not saying it's 'perfectly appropriate behavior'. But there's a mountain of difference between groping someone and putting your hand on their knee.
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