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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 04 2017 16:36 GMT
#7861
On October 05 2017 01:03 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2017 00:59 Artisreal wrote:
Is the speech in any way noteworthy or just in the news due to the hiccups cited in the Tweet?


Its only noteworthy because its probably her biggest domestic speech of the year at the tory party conference. That it was such a disaster is noteworthy because it is such a perfect metaphor for her entire time as PM so far.

thanks, I'll try n listen to it.
Thankfully she speaks coherently unlike some other head of state.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
October 04 2017 16:44 GMT
#7862
The best description I have heard of this speech so far is ''like watching someone else's anxiety dream."
RIP Meatloaf <3
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 04 2017 16:45 GMT
#7863
On October 05 2017 01:24 kollin wrote:
I wonder if historians will remember this as the day Lee Nelson brought down a PM

The Obama and Trump years will be a perfect thesis paper to sum up 200 years of US politics in a short period. I have no idea how the UK is going to wrap their brains around this time. Maybe “We touched the stove to make sure it would burn us.”
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-04 17:52:15
October 04 2017 17:50 GMT
#7864
Why was that comedian arrested? Isn't it an expression of freedom of speech? It seems a bit harsh. Also, why do they report so much that she has a cough? No other topic to talk about? Who cares if she has a cold? That's a minor thing.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 04 2017 19:55 GMT
#7865
I listened to ten or fifteen minutes of may speaking and then dozed off kinda bored.
The speaker before her was so many times more inspiring, enthusiastic and infectious than her it was rather weird to watch and listen to.
Hey voice reminded me of someone trying to imitate Thatcher, or just sounding rather similar.

Maybe I'll give it a go and listen to Boris afterwards.
The report I read was a bit damning about the whole conference. I mean, it was the guardian . But as I said the speaker before may was rather special compared to her.
passive quaranstream fan
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
October 07 2017 16:06 GMT
#7866
Just as a quick follow up on the issue of homelessness in Manchester:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41536766
All 41 fire stations in Greater Manchester will be used to provide support for homeless people, as part of a plan announced by the region's mayor.
Andy Burnham said £1.8m of new funds would be made available for accommodation, health support and help in finding education or work.
It is expected the measures will be rolled out by the end of October.
Mr Burnham, who has pledged to end rough sleeping in the region by 2020, said they were "a major breakthrough".

The fire stations will be used to provide food or sleeping provisions during evenings, the Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA) said.
Other measures proposed include:
Focusing on homelessness preventative work including an early warning system
Creating a Greater Manchester Good Landlord scheme to regulate private landlords better and improve the standard of rented homes
Considering more one-bedroom accommodation
Being "tougher" on people dealing psychoactive substances and people who are begging but not homeless
Mr Burnham, who pays 15% of his salary into a homelessness fund, said: "I have made ending rough sleeping in Greater Manchester a personal priority and these developments represent a major breakthrough on that journey."
The fund has helped support a 15-bed homeless hostel in Cheetham Hill, the GMCA said.
RIP Meatloaf <3
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
October 07 2017 22:23 GMT
#7867
Good. It was about time.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
October 12 2017 16:54 GMT
#7868
https://realmedia.press/greater-manchester-law-centre-refuses-facilitate-universal-credit-roll-will-not-complicit/

The Greater Manchester Law Centre (GMLC), have announced their refusal to assist the implementation of Universal Credit. Instead, they support calls to stop the roll-out. They state: “If Universal Credit is so convoluted and ineffective that voluntary sector organisations are relied upon, then it should not be implemented at all”.

GMLC say that a local Job Centre approached them even before introduction of Universal Credit to request that they provide computers and supervisors to help people to access the scheme. GMLC responded: “This is not the role of the voluntary sector. We will not be complicit in a scheme which results in further adversity and punishment for vulnerable people”.

“We therefore refuse to offer Universal Credit services and we demand that its roll-out is stopped”.

As reported in the Manchester Evening News, Greater Manchester’s Mayor, public sector bosses and MPs have also demanded an immediate halt to the policy. Experts have highlighted a series of serious problems with the system, including a minimum six-week wait for payments to be processed. Manchester Central MP Lucy Powell said she was “dreading” its expansion, describing the system as “chaotic and broken”.

GMLC opened in August 2016 with premises in Moss Side. They currently specialise in welfare benefit claims, and in their first year, they helped clients with lost benefits to claim back £370,000. Their recent AGM outlined their plans for strategic litigation, which means using legal cases to challenge and change welfare policy.


I'm not sure how sound this website is, but the UC rollout so far has been one of the most chaotic, wasteful, badly thought out and awfully executed policies since the Tories took office.
Iain Duncan Smith should be ashamed of himself for this utter mess.
RIP Meatloaf <3
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4415 Posts
October 16 2017 11:40 GMT
#7869
Ok well seems like they are blaming Iran for the latest email hack.Pretty dubious, hopefully this isn't another case of them laying blame on a country (when they had no part in it) and then invading them in retaliation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 19 2017 15:17 GMT
#7870
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
October 19 2017 19:12 GMT
#7871
I can't think of a worse replacement to the Maybot than jacob reese mogg. I do of understand how any person North of gLondon would ever respect and/or elect this cretin. I mean the guy preaches Christian values by stating that love thy neighbour through selfish reasons, i.e. if I am nice to my neighbour then they will give me something in return is apparently Christian... Posh accent, complete dildo that you have the impression that you could snap him like a candle stick... Yet he seems to be the best option- compared to boris or gove at least. How the fark can anyone vote torry, ever. mindboggling
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
October 19 2017 19:17 GMT
#7872
On October 20 2017 04:12 MyTHicaL wrote:
I can't think of a worse replacement to the Maybot than jacob reese mogg. I do of understand how any person North of gLondon would ever respect and/or elect this cretin. I mean the guy preaches Christian values by stating that love thy neighbour through selfish reasons, i.e. if I am nice to my neighbour then they will give me something in return is apparently Christian... Posh accent, complete dildo that you have the impression that you could snap him like a candle stick... Yet he seems to be the best option- compared to boris or gove at least. How the fark can anyone vote torry, ever. mindboggling


I would take a group of competent, well trained, intelligent people no matter what their opinions were right now. We just need some people who know how to do government business.

Reese-Mogg is the Boris of the millennials, no substance but witty comebacks galore. Let him run their twitter account while the grown ups do policy or we'll end up in the same old mess.
RIP Meatloaf <3
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
October 19 2017 19:28 GMT
#7873
It's basically this that has provoked me;


An apparent fetish towards the free market and ignorance towards inflation makes virtually everything he says completely ridiculous. And that posh twat accent... I swear if anyone from the North supports him, I truly do not understand the English... (but then, due to lack of votes, the Scotts voted torry so wtf really)... I gotta love how that clip has been shared so many times criticising socialism without every mentioning it. Infuriating.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
October 23 2017 18:37 GMT
#7874
Here we go again with the stupid laws. Wales wants to increase tax on alcohol. I don't think it'll work too well just like sugar tax. People will still buy it if they want. Same with cigarettes.

It's much better to come up with a nice campaign to say what health advantages are. I'm aware they're known already, but focus should be there in my opinion.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-41682666
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 23 2017 18:50 GMT
#7875
Nope.
The only thing that shows any form of success is policy through the purse.
passive quaranstream fan
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-23 19:10:16
October 23 2017 19:05 GMT
#7876
What world do you live in? Plenty of smokers outside. People still buy a lot of sugary drinks. I don't see any slow-down.

£1 - 2L Sprite
~£1 - 2L Pepsi
£2.50 - 3.5L Coca-Cola

As far as smokers are concerned, a lot of them still buy tobacco from poorer countries. People have friends and stuff. Positive campaign has a higher chance to make a change.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-23 19:09:51
October 23 2017 19:09 GMT
#7877
Double post by mistake.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 23 2017 19:15 GMT
#7878
On October 24 2017 03:37 sc-darkness wrote:
Here we go again with the stupid laws. Wales wants to increase tax on alcohol. I don't think it'll work too well just like sugar tax. People will still buy it if they want. Same with cigarettes.

It's much better to come up with a nice campaign to say what health advantages are. I'm aware they're known already, but focus should be there in my opinion.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-41682666

Research shows that increasing the price of alcohol decreases alcohol related deaths. It's a stupid law in the sense it'll work how it's meant to work. I don't think it's the ideal solution to a problem that seems to be cultural, but I imagine it'll have somewhat of an effect on the culture.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43983 Posts
October 23 2017 19:16 GMT
#7879
The goal isn't necessarily to reduce the number of people smoking or becoming obese, though that's certainly also desirable. Rather it is to push costs associated with these choices back onto the people making the choices. In a country with socialized medicine smoking represents an individual benefit but a collective cost. By adding a cigarette sin tax the economic incentives and costs can be correctly distributed to the individuals making the choice, rather than being externalized. It is simply a matter of rationally distributing costs.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-23 19:31:44
October 23 2017 19:23 GMT
#7880
The smoking rate in the UK is at its lowest ever.
Alcopops became absolutely irrelevant in regards to alcohol poisoning of teens after their price tag got a good buff from taxation. E: in Germany
The minimum pricing will affect those who buy cheap alcohol to maintain their buzz. While I think it unfair to tax the poor, this is a matter of public health in the UK and years and years on end no betterment in sight. Drastic measures are to be taken. I've heard the BBC talk about this matter time and again in the last years and no cohesive argument against minimum pricing as a means to improve public heath had been put forth. Whereas experience tells you that it works.

Drinkaware had a pro con on minimum pricing. But not whether it should apply, but rather how to apply it to target the right demographic.

That fizzy drinks still are so incredibly cheap is a disgrace in my book. The sugar lobby is doing a great fight against the EU concerning appropriate labelling. And you even picked the premium brands. Still cheaper than juice.

E: tbh I'm helluva impressed with those smoker numbers
Well done Britain. I sometimes ponder to place myself next to a smoker and let a bad one rip to show my displeasure with being pestered in public but I've never done it and don't think I will.
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