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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 10 2017 17:13 Kipsate wrote: Are the Scottisch Tories going rogue or something whats happening? Ruth Davidson called the story bollocks on twitter. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
So the advisers have gone, will be enough for May to survive a little while unless someone wants to stick the knife in further. | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 10 2017 22:32 TheNewEra wrote: Would a coalition between Tories and DUP be allowed under the Good Friday Agreement? Not sure but it won't be a coalition it will just be vote by vote agreements no government positions for the DUP, plus it might not even happen as a new Conservative leader might want to call another election. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23930 Posts
Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn went on the offensive in an interview with the Daily Mirror on Saturday, vowing to oust Prime Minister Theresa May of the Conservatives "within a matter of days." “I can still be Prime Minister. This is still on. Absolutely. Theresa May has been to the Palace. She’s attempting to form a government," Corbyn told the Mirror. He plans to use the vote over the Queen's Speech at the end of June as his next attempt to topple May, who is barely clinging to power following the destruction of the Tories' majority at the ballot box on Thursday. “We will – obviously – amend the Queen’s Speech. There’s a possibility of voting it down and we’re going to push that all the way," he explained. Corbyn says there's enough opposition in Parliament and in May's own party to topple the government. Source Think he can do it? | ||
KwarK
United States43966 Posts
He's just hoping that people will conclude that May's defeat is his triumph. 250 MPs does not a government make. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
I know it doesn't always work because MPs are people and therefore are as likely to vote a policy down to make the opposition weak rather than push it through and make the country better, but is that the only reason? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9842 Posts
On June 11 2017 15:23 KwarK wrote: No, Corbyn cannot be Prime Minister. He lost the election, and pretty decisively. The fact that Theresa May didn't win it doesn't change that. Corbyn cannot govern without a new election. He's just hoping that people will conclude that May's defeat is his triumph. 250 MPs does not a government make. He actually can, but it relies on the conservatives being unable to form a government and Labour being ready to take over by the deadline. Its possible, but 99.9999% not going to happen. His only hope is that some unhappy tories refuse to allow May to make a deal with the DUP, but I can't see it personally. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 11 2017 20:10 Jockmcplop wrote: He actually can, but it relies on the conservatives being unable to form a government and Labour being ready to take over by the deadline. Its possible, but 99.9999% not going to happen. His only hope is that some unhappy tories refuse to allow May to make a deal with the DUP, but I can't see it personally. In that situation he would be in government for 5 minutes before his queen speech didn't get passed and a new election would be called automatically. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9842 Posts
On June 11 2017 21:06 Zaros wrote: In that situation he would be in government for 5 minutes before his queen speech didn't get passed and a new election would be called automatically. Absolutely right. I'm disagreeing with Labour's stance right now to be honest. Corbyn at this point wants chaos, and seems to be playing the Littlefinger role. Create as much damage in the tory party as possible by any means possible in the hope of gaining power. Its really not what the country needs right now. We need a parliament that can get decisions made and Labour should be thinking about how to play a part in that. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23930 Posts
On June 11 2017 21:14 Jockmcplop wrote: Absolutely right. I'm disagreeing with Labour's stance right now to be honest. Corbyn at this point wants chaos, and seems to be playing the Littlefinger role. Create as much damage in the tory party as possible by any means possible in the hope of gaining power. Its really not what the country needs right now. We need a parliament that can get decisions made and Labour should be thinking about how to play a part in that. Am I correctly understanding that Corbyn is the "wildly left" guy who doesn't know how to compromise and is causing chaos and the more moderate folks want someone who can better agree with the conservatives? | ||
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KwarK
United States43966 Posts
On June 12 2017 02:55 GreenHorizons wrote: Am I correctly understanding that Corbyn is the "wildly left" guy who doesn't know how to compromise and is causing chaos and the more moderate folks want someone who can better agree with the conservatives? More like better agree with the country. Guys like Corbyn were left behind by the majority of the country in the 80s. Labour had a civil war and split into two parties, "Old" Labour and the SDP. "Old" Labour got defeated four times in a row and remade itself as "New" Labour, marginalizing folks like Corbyn who are more old than new. The country hates May but Corbyn doesn't appeal to the majority of people either which is why his party keeps trying to stab him in the back. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On June 12 2017 04:15 KwarK wrote: More like better agree with the country. Guys like Corbyn were left behind by the majority of the country in the 80s. Labour had a civil war and split into two parties, "Old" Labour and the SDP. "Old" Labour got defeated four times in a row and remade itself as "New" Labour, marginalizing folks like Corbyn who are more old than new. The country hates May but Corbyn doesn't appeal to the majority of people either which is why his party keeps trying to stab him in the back. Although I wouldn't be a corbyn voter, history has a nasty reputation of repeating itself, so wouldn't dismiss a vision/rhetoric/political plan just because it is old | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 12 2017 08:11 bardtown wrote: They don't want her to go because Labour will win a new contest. Only chance Tories have of hanging on is actually having a characterful leader, but Boris is a serious wildcard. Davis seems to be the most suitable but he wouldn't win an election. I don't buy that they wouldn't win, they nearly won with one of the worst campaigns in history and a leader who was too afraid to even debate and let Corbyn get away with Scot free for every single policy he announced. Corbyn is already hinting on a new election easy to share the blame for another with him. The elderly who didnt turn out will turn out this time as long as the dementia tax policy is clearly shown to be gone and actually offer something to the young like affordable housing not just a big fuck you. Edit: Also what Kwark said they can wait a while for the election if they are scared right now but May should go. | ||
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KwarK
United States43966 Posts
On June 12 2017 08:11 bardtown wrote: They don't want her to go because Labour will win a new contest. Only chance Tories have of hanging on is actually having a characterful leader, but Boris is a serious wildcard. Davis seems to be the most suitable but he wouldn't win an election. May getting stabbed in the back would no more trigger a reelection than Thatcher's backstabbing did. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12451 Posts
On June 12 2017 04:15 KwarK wrote: More like better agree with the country. Guys like Corbyn were left behind by the majority of the country in the 80s. Labour had a civil war and split into two parties, "Old" Labour and the SDP. "Old" Labour got defeated four times in a row and remade itself as "New" Labour, marginalizing folks like Corbyn who are more old than new. The country hates May but Corbyn doesn't appeal to the majority of people either which is why his party keeps trying to stab him in the back. After those two labour elections and this general election, probably time to reconsider the appeal of this brand of the left in today's context, isn't it | ||
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