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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
October 04 2016 15:51 GMT
#4521
On October 05 2016 00:19 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


It'll never actually happen despite what politicians on both sides want, so he might as well say he's in favour of it. Nothing lost. There's no appetite to try and topple the EU, even though I'm sure a lot of Brexiteers share my opinion that an eventual toppling is inevitable. When it does happen, it will be bad for everyone.

In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


the FTSE hit an alltime high because the Pound went on a 25year dive today and your stocks are dirtcheap for foreign buyers.
Look at the FTSE in $ or € and it will look different.


You're conflating exchange rates and shares in a way that doesn't make sense. Shares being 'dirt cheap' in foreign currency doesn't mean anything. Yes, FTSE100 is helped by the weak pound. FTSE250 less so, and that is also approaching record numbers. Oh, and as of today the IMF have decided we're not heading for recession after all, but will be the fasting growing G7 economy. My point is that you don't get to blame Brexit for everything bad that happens and then say that anything good is 'despite Brexit'.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 04 2016 20:10 GMT
#4522
On October 05 2016 00:51 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:19 mahrgell wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


It'll never actually happen despite what politicians on both sides want, so he might as well say he's in favour of it. Nothing lost. There's no appetite to try and topple the EU, even though I'm sure a lot of Brexiteers share my opinion that an eventual toppling is inevitable. When it does happen, it will be bad for everyone.

In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


the FTSE hit an alltime high because the Pound went on a 25year dive today and your stocks are dirtcheap for foreign buyers.
Look at the FTSE in $ or € and it will look different.


You're conflating exchange rates and shares in a way that doesn't make sense. Shares being 'dirt cheap' in foreign currency doesn't mean anything. Yes, FTSE100 is helped by the weak pound. FTSE250 less so, and that is also approaching record numbers. Oh, and as of today the IMF have decided we're not heading for recession after all, but will be the fasting growing G7 economy. My point is that you don't get to blame Brexit for everything bad that happens and then say that anything good is 'despite Brexit'.


Yeah but nobody has said that on the topic of how shares are doing. Shares are cheap and better investments as far as global company shares are concerned right now because your currency is ass and isnt going anywhere.

This isnt neccesarily a net positive.

Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9124 Posts
October 04 2016 21:01 GMT
#4523
On October 05 2016 00:51 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:19 mahrgell wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


It'll never actually happen despite what politicians on both sides want, so he might as well say he's in favour of it. Nothing lost. There's no appetite to try and topple the EU, even though I'm sure a lot of Brexiteers share my opinion that an eventual toppling is inevitable. When it does happen, it will be bad for everyone.

In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


the FTSE hit an alltime high because the Pound went on a 25year dive today and your stocks are dirtcheap for foreign buyers.
Look at the FTSE in $ or € and it will look different.


You're conflating exchange rates and shares in a way that doesn't make sense. Shares being 'dirt cheap' in foreign currency doesn't mean anything. Yes, FTSE100 is helped by the weak pound. FTSE250 less so, and that is also approaching record numbers. Oh, and as of today the IMF have decided we're not heading for recession after all, but will be the fasting growing G7 economy. My point is that you don't get to blame Brexit for everything bad that happens and then say that anything good is 'despite Brexit'.

By less so you mean 'only' half of FTSE 250 companies' revenue is from outside the UK as opposed to 3/4 for FTSE 100, this discrepancy being why the growth of the former has trailed behind the latter, but both are absolutely helped by the weakening of the pound. If you've read any alternative explanation that suggests this is not the main reason, I'd be interested in checking it out because I haven't seen any such claims.

The top six risers on the FTSE 250 this year are overseas-based commodities companies, while the biggest fallers are mainly consumer goods groups more exposed to the domestic economy and with less favourable exposure to the forex market via costs, rather than revenue, denominated in foreign currency.

https://www.ft.com/content/a97ac984-89fd-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1
Titan107
Profile Joined March 2016
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-04 21:13:34
October 04 2016 21:07 GMT
#4524
Wrong thread :D
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 08:59:56
October 05 2016 08:54 GMT
#4525
Can someone please explain that first of the pound is as low as it has ever been for 30+ years. The stock markets have a large amount of assets overseas so when from USD they get converted back into £ they appear to be worth more, hence the rise in share prices.
But look at tesco; sales are up but profit is down because of increased price to import.

Finally Brexit hasn't even done anything yet. If the UK leaves the single market and Scotland doesn't get a flash second referendum I am burning my UK passport in preference of a European one.
You have to be delusional to think this was a good idea. Which is pretty much proven by the demographics of NEDs that voted for this.

The UK has now fallen to 6th, behind France economically woot.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
October 05 2016 11:11 GMT
#4526
On October 05 2016 17:54 MyTHicaL wrote:
Finally Brexit hasn't even done anything yet. If the UK leaves the single market and Scotland doesn't get a flash second referendum I am burning my UK passport in preference of a European one.


Thanks for giving me one more reason to support a hard Brexit
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
October 05 2016 11:19 GMT
#4527
Meanwhile UKIP needs a new leader. Diane James resigned after only 18 days after her election. Reminds me of the English football team.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
October 05 2016 11:25 GMT
#4528
I am in favor of creating a new country just for bigots and racists and sending them all there to live together. Can we have a poll for something like that?
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
October 05 2016 11:43 GMT
#4529
On October 05 2016 20:25 RoomOfMush wrote:
I am in favor of creating a new country just for bigots and racists and sending them all there to live together. Can we have a poll for something like that?


Is this in any way relevant to anything or are you just being a virtue signalling cretin?
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9124 Posts
October 05 2016 11:48 GMT
#4530


Now the question is, hard or soft boiled eggs for brexfast?
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
October 05 2016 11:54 GMT
#4531
It's great because it's so dramatic. And this just had to be done:



Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10742 Posts
October 05 2016 12:02 GMT
#4532
On October 05 2016 20:25 RoomOfMush wrote:
I am in favor of creating a new country just for bigots and racists and sending them all there to live together. Can we have a poll for something like that?


The Uk allready tried that some time ago with australia
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4544 Posts
October 05 2016 12:23 GMT
#4533
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 12:33:39
October 05 2016 12:29 GMT
#4534
On October 05 2016 21:23 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.


Classic. Services growing, construction growing, manufacturing booming, tourism booming, consumer confidence above pre-Brexit levels, markets performing well across the board, fastest growing G7 economy and there are still Belgians desperate to believe we need their godforsaken bloated mess of a political construct.
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
October 05 2016 12:47 GMT
#4535
On October 05 2016 21:29 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 21:23 Laurens wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.


Classic. Services growing, construction growing, manufacturing booming, tourism booming, consumer confidence above pre-Brexit levels, markets performing well across the board, fastest growing G7 economy and there are still Belgians desperate to believe we need their godforsaken bloated mess of a political construct.


The service sector is not, in fact its entire existence is based on the financial European visa. Already many firms are relocating to either Frankfurt or Paris, hell even Warsaw is trying to grab them.
I wouldn't mind a hard brexit. Little England can turn into just that, Little England and stop veto'ing every goddamn left leaning bill that the EU proposes to further integrity.
Consumer confidence post-brexit? Just look at your pound. Also, of course tourism is booming; all the Brits are staying to holiday at home because they simply won't get as much as before going to Europe or elsewhere.
I would love Ireland to be reunited and Scotland to get independence; take back its' oil in the North Sea and leave England to continue manufacturing... not quite sure what.
The UK has now dropped to 6th in ecomony, behind France so your claim that it is the fastest growing G7 economy is contradictory at best.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4544 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 12:53:14
October 05 2016 12:52 GMT
#4536
On October 05 2016 21:47 MyTHicaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 21:29 bardtown wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:23 Laurens wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.


Classic. Services growing, construction growing, manufacturing booming, tourism booming, consumer confidence above pre-Brexit levels, markets performing well across the board, fastest growing G7 economy and there are still Belgians desperate to believe we need their godforsaken bloated mess of a political construct.


Also, of course tourism is booming; all the Brits are staying to holiday at home because they simply won't get as much as before going to Europe or elsewhere.



Also, more tourists are coming to the UK cause it's dirt cheap. 1 pound was 1.3 euro a couple of months ago, now it's 1.13. I'm going for a quick London + Oxford trip myself next month, couldn't be a better time.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 15:38:50
October 05 2016 15:33 GMT
#4537
On October 05 2016 21:47 MyTHicaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 21:29 bardtown wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:23 Laurens wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.


Classic. Services growing, construction growing, manufacturing booming, tourism booming, consumer confidence above pre-Brexit levels, markets performing well across the board, fastest growing G7 economy and there are still Belgians desperate to believe we need their godforsaken bloated mess of a political construct.


The service sector is not, in fact its entire existence is based on the financial European visa. Already many firms are relocating to either Frankfurt or Paris, hell even Warsaw is trying to grab them.
I wouldn't mind a hard brexit. Little England can turn into just that, Little England and stop veto'ing every goddamn left leaning bill that the EU proposes to further integrity.
Consumer confidence post-brexit? Just look at your pound. Also, of course tourism is booming; all the Brits are staying to holiday at home because they simply won't get as much as before going to Europe or elsewhere.
I would love Ireland to be reunited and Scotland to get independence; take back its' oil in the North Sea and leave England to continue manufacturing... not quite sure what.
The UK has now dropped to 6th in ecomony, behind France so your claim that it is the fastest growing G7 economy is contradictory at best.


Your comment about Brits holidaying at home is the only factual thing in your entire post. I genuinely struggled to wade through this tide of ignorance.

UK service sector growing strongly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
https://www.ft.com/content/0c36c007-1437-361e-a643-a9d3cc9d321a
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/september-services-growth-casts-doubt-on-new-bank-of-england-rate-cut-a7345666.html

Manufacturing growth best for 2 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37539019

Construction growth (against all expectations):
https://www.ft.com/content/a0a43d94-8f59-359b-bdb8-5d63a66e134a

Consumer confidence:
https://www.ft.com/content/bbfe022f-de37-3b44-adbc-8eb529327c35

Consumer spending:
https://www.ft.com/content/e194e464-6b65-11e6-ae5b-a7cc5dd5a28c

Fastest growth in G7:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/04/britain-fastest-growing-g7-economy-imf-international-monetary-fund-brexit-vote

You don't just get to spout your indoctrination and have it be true. The idea of Scotland taking their oil and becoming a little Norway is laughable. Oil prices are through the floor. All oil economies are struggling. Scotland has an enormous deficit, more than 3x higher than the UK deficit and more than 3x higher than the EU allows. This is subsidised by the English, just as NI is subsidised. The Northern Irish do not want a reunified Ireland, and Ireland don't either because NI is a financial drain. Also, as far as Scotland goes, many of their major industries are reliant on UK-level contracts, like shipbuilding, which would be welcomed south of the border if Scotland split.

Comparing Frankfurt to London is such a dumb meme, too. London is the financial capital of the world and without EU regulations continually infringing on its competitiveness that is only going to be more true. If Germany manage to poach a few thousand staff to deal with transactions in euros - great for them, it might just about cancel out all the jobs they're currently cutting from their failing banks. By the way, the world comes to the UK for its services because they are good, not because they are in the EU. God knows where this idea comes from that people will suddenly stop using British services. It's not as though a service sector with the same level of competence/experience is suddenly going to pop up elsewhere because UK services got a little more expensive (which, by the way, they won't if sterling stays low).
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9124 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 16:11:37
October 05 2016 16:01 GMT
#4538
On October 06 2016 00:33 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 21:47 MyTHicaL wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:29 bardtown wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:23 Laurens wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.


Classic. Services growing, construction growing, manufacturing booming, tourism booming, consumer confidence above pre-Brexit levels, markets performing well across the board, fastest growing G7 economy and there are still Belgians desperate to believe we need their godforsaken bloated mess of a political construct.


The service sector is not, in fact its entire existence is based on the financial European visa. Already many firms are relocating to either Frankfurt or Paris, hell even Warsaw is trying to grab them.
I wouldn't mind a hard brexit. Little England can turn into just that, Little England and stop veto'ing every goddamn left leaning bill that the EU proposes to further integrity.
Consumer confidence post-brexit? Just look at your pound. Also, of course tourism is booming; all the Brits are staying to holiday at home because they simply won't get as much as before going to Europe or elsewhere.
I would love Ireland to be reunited and Scotland to get independence; take back its' oil in the North Sea and leave England to continue manufacturing... not quite sure what.
The UK has now dropped to 6th in ecomony, behind France so your claim that it is the fastest growing G7 economy is contradictory at best.


Your comment about Brits holidaying at home is the only factual thing in your entire post. I genuinely struggled to wade through this tide of ignorance.

UK service sector growing strongly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
https://www.ft.com/content/0c36c007-1437-361e-a643-a9d3cc9d321a
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/september-services-growth-casts-doubt-on-new-bank-of-england-rate-cut-a7345666.html

Manufacturing growth best for 2 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37539019

Construction growth (against all expectations):
https://www.ft.com/content/a0a43d94-8f59-359b-bdb8-5d63a66e134a

Consumer confidence:
https://www.ft.com/content/bbfe022f-de37-3b44-adbc-8eb529327c35

Consumer spending:
https://www.ft.com/content/e194e464-6b65-11e6-ae5b-a7cc5dd5a28c

Fastest growth in G7:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/04/britain-fastest-growing-g7-economy-imf-international-monetary-fund-brexit-vote


Services: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/dffd5cda1bf44d619e050b04cf7adb88

Manufacturing: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/f55855e5e87b4e9dadc0e3cbea1c285f

Construction: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/f62130bc813d47a69386f3a2e0f8dd02

Notice anything there? There's a reason why your links refer to them as rebounds rather than the tremendous growth you are playing it as. It's the biggest uptick in a few years because it follows the biggest downtick in a few years, a dip caused exclusively by hard brexit anxiety following the referendum, anxiety which has mostly dispersed in the past two months. But if you do support a hard brexit as you sometimes hint at, you would be deluding yourself to not see that it would cause a more pronounced and longer lasting such dip, as in that case it would be a matter of direct consequences rather than merely partial expectations as was the case in mid summer.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
October 05 2016 16:15 GMT
#4539
On October 06 2016 01:01 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:33 bardtown wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:47 MyTHicaL wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:29 bardtown wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:23 Laurens wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
Boris Johnson has announced that Britain will support Turkey's bid to join the EU despite putting warnings about the prospect at the heart of the Brexit campaign in the run up to the referendum.

During the EU referendum Mr Johnson warned that the accession of Turkey would give millions of migrants the right to live and work in the UK. The claim was one of the most controversial of the referendum campaign and led to accusations by senior Remain campaigners that Mr Johnson had lied.

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU. He also declined to apologise for previously writing a limerick about the "love that flowers" between the Turkish President and a goat

In May Mr Johnson won the the Spectator's inaugural President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition after beating more than 3,000 other submissions.

The competition was launched after the criminal prosecution of a comedian in Germany for writing a poem accusing President Erdogan of bestiality.

He yesterday avoided any further diplomatic incidents by dismissing the poem as "trivia", adding that he was "delighted" it had not come up in talks.

He instead tried to build relations by highlighting the fact that he is the "proud possessor of a beautiful, very well-functioning Turkish washing machine".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.


Classic. Services growing, construction growing, manufacturing booming, tourism booming, consumer confidence above pre-Brexit levels, markets performing well across the board, fastest growing G7 economy and there are still Belgians desperate to believe we need their godforsaken bloated mess of a political construct.


The service sector is not, in fact its entire existence is based on the financial European visa. Already many firms are relocating to either Frankfurt or Paris, hell even Warsaw is trying to grab them.
I wouldn't mind a hard brexit. Little England can turn into just that, Little England and stop veto'ing every goddamn left leaning bill that the EU proposes to further integrity.
Consumer confidence post-brexit? Just look at your pound. Also, of course tourism is booming; all the Brits are staying to holiday at home because they simply won't get as much as before going to Europe or elsewhere.
I would love Ireland to be reunited and Scotland to get independence; take back its' oil in the North Sea and leave England to continue manufacturing... not quite sure what.
The UK has now dropped to 6th in ecomony, behind France so your claim that it is the fastest growing G7 economy is contradictory at best.


Your comment about Brits holidaying at home is the only factual thing in your entire post. I genuinely struggled to wade through this tide of ignorance.

UK service sector growing strongly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
https://www.ft.com/content/0c36c007-1437-361e-a643-a9d3cc9d321a
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/september-services-growth-casts-doubt-on-new-bank-of-england-rate-cut-a7345666.html

Manufacturing growth best for 2 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37539019

Construction growth (against all expectations):
https://www.ft.com/content/a0a43d94-8f59-359b-bdb8-5d63a66e134a

Consumer confidence:
https://www.ft.com/content/bbfe022f-de37-3b44-adbc-8eb529327c35

Consumer spending:
https://www.ft.com/content/e194e464-6b65-11e6-ae5b-a7cc5dd5a28c

Fastest growth in G7:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/04/britain-fastest-growing-g7-economy-imf-international-monetary-fund-brexit-vote


Services: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/dffd5cda1bf44d619e050b04cf7adb88

Manufacturing: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/f55855e5e87b4e9dadc0e3cbea1c285f

Construction: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/f62130bc813d47a69386f3a2e0f8dd02

Notice anything there? There's a reason why your links refer to them as rebounds rather than the tremendous growth you are playing it as. It's the biggest uptick in a few years because it follows the biggest downtick in a few years, a dip caused exclusively by hard brexit anxiety following the referendum, anxiety which has dispersed in the past two months. But if you do support a hard brexit as you sometimes hint at, you would be deluding yourself to not see that it would cause a more pronounce and longer lasting such dip.


Intimations of a hard Brexit have become more and more frequent since June, and yet they are growing through it. We will see, either way. I do expect economic damage/reshuffling from a hard Brexit, but I also believe it's a price worth paying from a political perspective, and I think the figures are vindicating people who voted under the impression that the British economy had the strength to weather that shock.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21736 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 16:23:50
October 05 2016 16:23 GMT
#4540
On October 06 2016 01:15 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 01:01 Dan HH wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:33 bardtown wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:47 MyTHicaL wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:29 bardtown wrote:
On October 05 2016 21:23 Laurens wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 bardtown wrote:
On October 03 2016 03:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:57 Deleuze wrote:
On September 28 2016 03:21 Dan HH wrote:
[quote]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

(Video) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/boris-johnson-uk-support-turkey-ankara-bid-to-join-eu-despite-brexit-washing-machine-a7332651.html


How does this make any sense. The Brexit lots are colossal hypocrites.

No hypocrisy here, more like pure politician skill. If Turkey joins or nearly joins the EU, anti-EU movements will grow stronger as they'll be able to claim that "the corrupt Brussels establishment wants to facilitate a Muslim invasion of Europe".


In other news FTSE100 hit its all time high today. Looking forward to all the Guardian articles about how Brexit has piled billions onto the economy as they claimed it had wiped billions out on the 24th June.


Classic. Your currency just hit a new 30-year low and your economy is slipping, but the Brexit voters keep grasping at straws to make it look positive xD.


Classic. Services growing, construction growing, manufacturing booming, tourism booming, consumer confidence above pre-Brexit levels, markets performing well across the board, fastest growing G7 economy and there are still Belgians desperate to believe we need their godforsaken bloated mess of a political construct.


The service sector is not, in fact its entire existence is based on the financial European visa. Already many firms are relocating to either Frankfurt or Paris, hell even Warsaw is trying to grab them.
I wouldn't mind a hard brexit. Little England can turn into just that, Little England and stop veto'ing every goddamn left leaning bill that the EU proposes to further integrity.
Consumer confidence post-brexit? Just look at your pound. Also, of course tourism is booming; all the Brits are staying to holiday at home because they simply won't get as much as before going to Europe or elsewhere.
I would love Ireland to be reunited and Scotland to get independence; take back its' oil in the North Sea and leave England to continue manufacturing... not quite sure what.
The UK has now dropped to 6th in ecomony, behind France so your claim that it is the fastest growing G7 economy is contradictory at best.


Your comment about Brits holidaying at home is the only factual thing in your entire post. I genuinely struggled to wade through this tide of ignorance.

UK service sector growing strongly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37274279
https://www.ft.com/content/0c36c007-1437-361e-a643-a9d3cc9d321a
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/september-services-growth-casts-doubt-on-new-bank-of-england-rate-cut-a7345666.html

Manufacturing growth best for 2 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37539019

Construction growth (against all expectations):
https://www.ft.com/content/a0a43d94-8f59-359b-bdb8-5d63a66e134a

Consumer confidence:
https://www.ft.com/content/bbfe022f-de37-3b44-adbc-8eb529327c35

Consumer spending:
https://www.ft.com/content/e194e464-6b65-11e6-ae5b-a7cc5dd5a28c

Fastest growth in G7:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/04/britain-fastest-growing-g7-economy-imf-international-monetary-fund-brexit-vote


Services: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/dffd5cda1bf44d619e050b04cf7adb88

Manufacturing: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/f55855e5e87b4e9dadc0e3cbea1c285f

Construction: https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/f62130bc813d47a69386f3a2e0f8dd02

Notice anything there? There's a reason why your links refer to them as rebounds rather than the tremendous growth you are playing it as. It's the biggest uptick in a few years because it follows the biggest downtick in a few years, a dip caused exclusively by hard brexit anxiety following the referendum, anxiety which has dispersed in the past two months. But if you do support a hard brexit as you sometimes hint at, you would be deluding yourself to not see that it would cause a more pronounce and longer lasting such dip.


Intimations of a hard Brexit have become more and more frequent since June, and yet they are growing through it. We will see, either way. I do expect economic damage/reshuffling from a hard Brexit, but I also believe it's a price worth paying from a political perspective, and I think the figures are vindicating people who voted under the impression that the British economy had the strength to weather that shock.

You may be right but your a little early claiming that the economy 'Had' the strenght to weather the shock when the shock has not happened yet and won't happen until the actual seperation some 2.5 years from now.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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