You're labouring under the delusion that it's a difference of opinion; when actually science is overwhelmingly of the 'opinion' that it is very much not a choice. All opinions are not equal or equally valid.
I'm not delusional...Someone just quoted a website, APA.org, I think it was...And I quoted a paragraph right back at him.
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
The key here being that "both nature and nurture both play complex roles..." I see now, though, that this is what happens when someone steps outside the "circlejerk" (as someone here aptly put it) that we've got going on here.
could you plz clarafy this for me?
why do you hate it so much that people are diffrent and like having sex who have type of body?
Let me say it ANOTHER TIME: I do not hate or vilify those that are gay. I simply disagree with homosexuality. I do not let that disagreement color my interactions with homosexuals. I am capable of restraint. I am simply sharing my viewpoint. I respect the common view. I just disagree with it.
Then you're straight up ignorant on the subject yet you're still trying to express an opinion about it. Your opinion that disagrees with homosexuality stems from a fundamental lack of understanding. There's a graph probably easily searchable on Google images that depicts "Mt. Stupid". The X axis represents understanding of a subject while the Y-axis represents willingness to opine on that same subject. "Mt. Stupid" is the bump in this graph representing people with little understanding on a subject who still opine heavily on it.
Come down off Mt. Stupid and please inform yourself properly before forming an opinion
You must really dislike me. Is that why you insult me? Whoever posted that quote about "debate being exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other" sure has one thing right.
Your whole post is a giant insult, lol. Damn man. Cultivate some respect.
Quit deflecting. It's advice. It's not an insult to tell someone to wise up
It's not advice. It's an insult. Just like your response. Tell me to wise up? Do you tell that to all the people who hold a non-liberal view about politics, economics, culture, religion, or any other facet of life? And if there's anything I'm deflecting, it's all the fucking insults being thrown at me left and right because this "debate is exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other."
well, they gave multiple arguments with a solid base to them while you on the other hand keep only stating it is your opinion, which totally makes it worthless in a discusion and gives you no validity.
Because ALL OF the posts on here are people's opinions. Look at you man! If I'm fighting for anything here, it's for you to learn a bit of respect. In not one of my posts here have I insulted people. I have opened a number of times stating that this is my opinion, and your opinion is yours, because I knew coming into this that I would get flak. Yet since this is a forum I an entitled to an opinion of my own and I felt I should share it. I'm sorry I've turned a bit to feeling instead of thinking, - it irritates me more than a little bit that all you folks can do is insult me.
fact remains, your opinions are insulting. you are intelded to express it but so are we.
You're labouring under the delusion that it's a difference of opinion; when actually science is overwhelmingly of the 'opinion' that it is very much not a choice. All opinions are not equal or equally valid.
I'm not delusional...Someone just quoted a website, APA.org, I think it was...And I quoted a paragraph right back at him.
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
The key here being that "both nature and nurture both play complex roles..." I see now, though, that this is what happens when someone steps outside the "circlejerk" (as someone here aptly put it) that we've got going on here.
could you plz clarafy this for me?
why do you hate it so much that people are diffrent and like having sex who have type of body?
Let me say it ANOTHER TIME: I do not hate or vilify those that are gay. I simply disagree with homosexuality. I do not let that disagreement color my interactions with homosexuals. I am capable of restraint. I am simply sharing my viewpoint. I respect the common view. I just disagree with it.
Then you're straight up ignorant on the subject yet you're still trying to express an opinion about it. Your opinion that disagrees with homosexuality stems from a fundamental lack of understanding. There's a graph probably easily searchable on Google images that depicts "Mt. Stupid". The X axis represents understanding of a subject while the Y-axis represents willingness to opine on that same subject. "Mt. Stupid" is the bump in this graph representing people with little understanding on a subject who still opine heavily on it.
Come down off Mt. Stupid and please inform yourself properly before forming an opinion
You must really dislike me. Is that why you insult me? Whoever posted that quote about "debate being exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other" sure has one thing right.
Your whole post is a giant insult, lol. Damn man. Cultivate some respect.
Quit deflecting. It's advice. It's not an insult to tell someone to wise up
It's not advice. It's an insult. Just like your response. Tell me to wise up? Do you tell that to all the people who hold a non-liberal view about politics, economics, culture, religion, or any other facet of life? And if there's anything I'm deflecting, it's all the fucking insults being thrown at me left and right because this "debate is exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other."
well, they gave multiple arguments with a solid base to them while you on the other hand keep only stating it is your opinion, which totally makes it worthless in a discusion and gives you no validity.
Because ALL OF the posts on here are people's opinions. Look at you man! If I'm fighting for anything here, it's for you to learn a bit of respect. In not one of my posts here have I insulted people. I have opened a number of times stating that this is my opinion, and your opinion is yours, because I knew coming into this that I would get flak. Yet since this is a forum I an entitled to an opinion of my own and I felt I should share it. I'm sorry I've turned a bit to feeling instead of thinking, - it irritates me more than a little bit that all you folks can do is insult me.
You heard it here first folks. Everything is an opinion. Science is just an opinion. The only reason we're stuck to earth is because we conveniently "agree with gravity." Facts aren't real, evidence is a rainbow, and science is a game of make-believe.
Your viewpoint is actually completely invalid because it's riddled with hypocrisies and mistruths. You do not get to stand on equal intellectual footing as the rest of us until you can start citing some science.
You're telling me that the viewpoint that sex is a function of reproduction and that all of a mammal's sexual interactions are catered to this purpose - is invalid? Is this what happens when someone shares a viewpoint that you dislike?
You insult me by calling my viewpoint invalid. You act as if yours is the only one which is "right," a hypocrisy if I've ever seen one, since we're all just debating opinions here...
And then you delegitimize me and insult me, claiming that I am ignorant and am uneducated.
You're labouring under the delusion that it's a difference of opinion; when actually science is overwhelmingly of the 'opinion' that it is very much not a choice. All opinions are not equal or equally valid.
I'm not delusional...Someone just quoted a website, APA.org, I think it was...And I quoted a paragraph right back at him.
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
The key here being that "both nature and nurture both play complex roles..." I see now, though, that this is what happens when someone steps outside the "circlejerk" (as someone here aptly put it) that we've got going on here.
could you plz clarafy this for me?
why do you hate it so much that people are diffrent and like having sex who have type of body?
Let me say it ANOTHER TIME: I do not hate or vilify those that are gay. I simply disagree with homosexuality. I do not let that disagreement color my interactions with homosexuals. I am capable of restraint. I am simply sharing my viewpoint. I respect the common view. I just disagree with it.
Then you're straight up ignorant on the subject yet you're still trying to express an opinion about it. Your opinion that disagrees with homosexuality stems from a fundamental lack of understanding. There's a graph probably easily searchable on Google images that depicts "Mt. Stupid". The X axis represents understanding of a subject while the Y-axis represents willingness to opine on that same subject. "Mt. Stupid" is the bump in this graph representing people with little understanding on a subject who still opine heavily on it.
Come down off Mt. Stupid and please inform yourself properly before forming an opinion
You must really dislike me. Is that why you insult me? Whoever posted that quote about "debate being exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other" sure has one thing right.
Your whole post is a giant insult, lol. Damn man. Cultivate some respect.
Quit deflecting. It's advice. It's not an insult to tell someone to wise up
It's not advice. It's an insult. Just like your response. Tell me to wise up? Do you tell that to all the people who hold a non-liberal view about politics, economics, culture, religion, or any other facet of life? And if there's anything I'm deflecting, it's all the fucking insults being thrown at me left and right because this "debate is exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other."
If you sincerely interpret those words as nothing more than an attempt to personally attack your character then you're misinterpreting the message.
Here's the deal: Your opinion about homosexuality is based on a severely flawed and ignorant understanding of the subject. This is not to say you are ignorant, period -- which is why I made sure to say that you're ignorant [/i]on the subject[i]. If I told you that you're ignorant in general, that would be an insult. I don't know your views on everything, so obviously I can't claim you're ignorant on the whole. In fact, I actually agree with your views on the importance of mechanics in BW/Sc2 based on a thread I saw a week or two ago with your opinion. Clearly what I said is that your opinion on homosexuality stems from ignorance, which invalidates your opinion on homosexuality. The advice is to avoid making opinions when you don't understand a subject. If you saw it as a petty insult then you didn't see it the way I meant to convey it
On June 25 2013 02:39 Butterednuts wrote: As a gay starcraft player, I'm very happy to see such support from my favorite gaming site.
Thank you very much TeamLiquid.
I am straight, but who cares which sex one prefers? I think that is the message. Let's view humans as humans. Let's fight arbitrary "norms" and social pressure against "deviation". We need the issues be the issues, not sexual preferences.
You're labouring under the delusion that it's a difference of opinion; when actually science is overwhelmingly of the 'opinion' that it is very much not a choice. All opinions are not equal or equally valid.
I'm not delusional...Someone just quoted a website, APA.org, I think it was...And I quoted a paragraph right back at him.
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
The key here being that "both nature and nurture both play complex roles..." I see now, though, that this is what happens when someone steps outside the "circlejerk" (as someone here aptly put it) that we've got going on here.
could you plz clarafy this for me?
why do you hate it so much that people are diffrent and like having sex who have type of body?
Let me say it ANOTHER TIME: I do not hate or vilify those that are gay. I simply disagree with homosexuality. I do not let that disagreement color my interactions with homosexuals. I am capable of restraint. I am simply sharing my viewpoint. I respect the common view. I just disagree with it.
Then you're straight up ignorant on the subject yet you're still trying to express an opinion about it. Your opinion that disagrees with homosexuality stems from a fundamental lack of understanding. There's a graph probably easily searchable on Google images that depicts "Mt. Stupid". The X axis represents understanding of a subject while the Y-axis represents willingness to opine on that same subject. "Mt. Stupid" is the bump in this graph representing people with little understanding on a subject who still opine heavily on it.
Come down off Mt. Stupid and please inform yourself properly before forming an opinion
You must really dislike me. Is that why you insult me? Whoever posted that quote about "debate being exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other" sure has one thing right.
Your whole post is a giant insult, lol. Damn man. Cultivate some respect.
Quit deflecting. It's advice. It's not an insult to tell someone to wise up
It's not advice. It's an insult. Just like your response. Tell me to wise up? Do you tell that to all the people who hold a non-liberal view about politics, economics, culture, religion, or any other facet of life? And if there's anything I'm deflecting, it's all the fucking insults being thrown at me left and right because this "debate is exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other."
I still don't understand how you justify all your whining about how you feel persecuted on a forum when your views are offensive to a huge chunk of the population. You're a hypocrite basically.
I'm bitching at your insults. You can say you disagree with me without insulting me. It's called debate etiquette. And the reason as to why I'm done? You're fucking right. It's because any meaningful debate ended 9 pages ago and has since devolved into 30+ people insulting me for my views because they haven't cultivated any respect.
Oh woe is you, you're really the victim here. I mean this in the most respectful way possible; you're a social Neaderthal. In a few years you're going to look just as stupid as the anti integration people.
On June 25 2013 02:01 Steel wrote: "As usual, the debate ended with everyone losing. The clash of intractable views produced no harmony, just exhaustion and an ache in the back of the skull"
I can't believe how much people try to argue for or against causes they affect them so little. You're not ignorant and uneducated saying that homosexuality is wrong because nature didn't intend for it, but why do you care so much? Are you nature's white knight, vowed to be opinionated when you spot unnatural behavior? If people like you would go about their business and let others go about their business, then there wouldn't even need to be this gay pride bullshit. Your viewpoint isn't invalid, it's just pointless and idiotic to argue for it. Similar to what religious zealots use in arguments.
Because this is a forums. People debate on a forums. Why do we debate? You tell me. But do not strike down my views if you disagree with them. Simply state that you think otherwise respectably, and I will take up no qualms with you.
But when you post a paragraph saying that everything I write is futile, that it is pointless because it goes against that majority, that I should not debate on a forums or put out a view that goes against the mold, I get more than a little bit irritated.
Your views are a threat to the quality of life of many people. I think it's fair to strike them down.
Oh my god.
Holy shit man. Does no one read what I've said so many fucking times? That these are my opinions, and that no one has to agree with them? There's a difference between disagreeing with people and insulting them. Many people here should cultivate some respect.
"I disagree with your existence." Isn't that at least a little bit insulting?
Well, come to think of it, a lot of people hold that opinion. And saying that I disagree with the practice of homosexuality in NO WAY equates to saying that I disagree with someone's existence. It means that I disagree with the practice. Not that I'm going to do anything about it. Quit being so dramatic.
But it does equate to you disagreeing with someone's existence. You just do not seem to realize that, and it's understandable, since you think that this is a matter of choice, and that any gay person can just go "Well, better be straight now!" and be done with that.
How would you feel if someone would come to you and tell you that they disagree with your choice to have a blonde girlfriend? But hey, no offense meant or anything, but, you know, she's a blonde, certainly you'll understand why that cannot be supported. And you can always just get a brunette, really, it's your choice after all. Would you be fine with that, or would you tell that person to fuck off and mind their own business?
It's my OPINION. If someone ASKS ME IT, or INVITES ME TO GIVE IT (a forum), then for God's sake, I'm going to give my opinion! Don't tell me not to give my opinion on the issue just because you disagree with it! I'm not going to barge into someone's life and tell them what to do or what to think. The beauty of a forum or debate is that there are multiple opinions each with weight and validity! Cultivate some respect and politely tell me you disagree with me instead of flat out insulting me.
a) Nobody asked you or invited you (or me) to offer you opinion. You offered it on your own volition. b) Where have I insulted you? c) If you share your personal view on anything with anyone, you have to live with the fact that people will react to it. And it might very well be that they will strongly and passionately disagree with you.
On June 25 2013 02:46 ZenithM wrote: This is quickly turning into Internet tough guys bullying some user voicing the minority and disregarding all rules of posting and human respect. It's alright, because virtue is on their side.
"The minority doesn't deserve respect". I like how that sounds :D
Well the 9 pages where people tried to discuss the matter helps the cause a bit. After a while, we all got feed up.
And this is how all these debates go. Intolerance always falls apart like this when brought to a logical debate based in science.
I'm not delusional...Someone just quoted a website, APA.org, I think it was...And I quoted a paragraph right back at him.
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
The key here being that "both nature and nurture both play complex roles..." I see now, though, that this is what happens when someone steps outside the "circlejerk" (as someone here aptly put it) that we've got going on here.
could you plz clarafy this for me?
why do you hate it so much that people are diffrent and like having sex who have type of body?
Let me say it ANOTHER TIME: I do not hate or vilify those that are gay. I simply disagree with homosexuality. I do not let that disagreement color my interactions with homosexuals. I am capable of restraint. I am simply sharing my viewpoint. I respect the common view. I just disagree with it.
Then you're straight up ignorant on the subject yet you're still trying to express an opinion about it. Your opinion that disagrees with homosexuality stems from a fundamental lack of understanding. There's a graph probably easily searchable on Google images that depicts "Mt. Stupid". The X axis represents understanding of a subject while the Y-axis represents willingness to opine on that same subject. "Mt. Stupid" is the bump in this graph representing people with little understanding on a subject who still opine heavily on it.
Come down off Mt. Stupid and please inform yourself properly before forming an opinion
You must really dislike me. Is that why you insult me? Whoever posted that quote about "debate being exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other" sure has one thing right.
Your whole post is a giant insult, lol. Damn man. Cultivate some respect.
Quit deflecting. It's advice. It's not an insult to tell someone to wise up
It's not advice. It's an insult. Just like your response. Tell me to wise up? Do you tell that to all the people who hold a non-liberal view about politics, economics, culture, religion, or any other facet of life? And if there's anything I'm deflecting, it's all the fucking insults being thrown at me left and right because this "debate is exhausted, thus leading to people insulting each other."
I still don't understand how you justify all your whining about how you feel persecuted on a forum when your views are offensive to a huge chunk of the population. You're a hypocrite basically.
I'm bitching at your insults. You can say you disagree with me without insulting me. It's called debate etiquette. And the reason as to why I'm done? You're fucking right. It's because any meaningful debate ended 9 pages ago and has since devolved into 30+ people insulting me for my views because they haven't cultivated any respect.
Do you not see what I'm trying to say dude? You're asking that we respect you even though your views are disrespectful. You reap what you sow, that's all. You're not getting a particularly bad treatment.
Go read my first post in this thread. Go read where I said that this is my opinion - that I in no way hate or vilify gays, that I NEVER let my opinion on homosexuality color my interactions with people - that what they do is their own choice. I'll END with this:
"You said that you disagree with homosexuality so I had a question -
Let's say Bob and Joe love each other. Do you disagree that Bob and Joe love each other? Or do you disagree that Bob and Joe should be able to love each other?"
- A PM from Someone w/ a Bit of Respect
I don't CARE if they love each other or not. I'm not going to let myself be colored by what I think of the practice of homosexuality. That's part of being a rational person and is something I am trying to focus on.
My opinion on the matter is twofold.
Our sexual preference is a combination of nature and nurture. I just think that homosexuality is a case of our biological wiring (heterosexuality) clashing with our habitual cultivation (nurture). The viewpoint that homosexuality's roots are biological and that people are born that way IS A VALID ONE - I would just be disinclined towards it.
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction. B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture. - Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion).
Bob and Joe can love each other. I would never try to stop them from loving each other. When I talk to Bob and Joe, I'm not going to let my disagreement with their practices color my words or actions. If they ask me what I think, I will respectfully tell them and let them know that what they do in their personal lives is their own choice and that I have no right to tell them what to do.
The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird. We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go. Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going. Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy. Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better.
This is a big week for civil rights. The LGBT community faces a unique challenge. Gay parents do not make gay babies and instead our young community members are redistributed throughout the world with every generation. It is our obligation to make a noise so loud that it penetrates even the most intolerant homes to gives hope to children everywhere.
Sound the rallying cry and live it up fellow TL gays!
On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote: The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird. We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go. Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going. Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy. Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better.
I'm not a homophobe. You can call me one, but I'm not. I may disagree with homosexuality, but that is only one facet of the mutli-faceted people I interact with on a daily basis.
I have gay friends. I talk with them. Interact with them. Several of them know where I stand on the issue. You can have an opinion on something without shoving it down people's throats or eviscerating them if they disagree.
On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote: The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird. We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go. Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going. Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy. Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better.
change is always going to be messy and there's a difference in being polite and cordial when you're still spouting nonsensical bullshit
On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote: The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird. We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go. Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going. Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy. Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better.
We were polite a while ago and for a lot of the debate. When the argument degraded down to "Its my opinion to be homophobic," everyone brought out the big guns and pointed out that its a dickish-opinion to have.
On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote: The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird. We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go. Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going. Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy. Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better.
change is always going to be messy and there's a difference in being polite and cordial when you're still spouting nonsensical bullshit
It's not nonsensical, but you're damn right that it's getting messy.
On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote: The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird. We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go. Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going. Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy. Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better.
I'm not a homophobe. You can call me one, but I'm not. I may disagree with homosexuality, but that is only one facet of the mutli-faceted people I interact with on a daily basis.
I have gay friends. I talk with them. Interact with them. Several of them know where I stand on the issue. You can have an opinion on something without shoving it down people's throats or eviscerating them if they disagree.
I'm not a homophobe, but i think homosexuality is wrong.
On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote: The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird. We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go. Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going. Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy. Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better.
I'm not a homophobe. You can call me one, but I'm not. I may disagree with homosexuality, but that is only one facet of the mutli-faceted people I interact with on a daily basis.
I have gay friends. I talk with them. Interact with them. Several of them know where I stand on the issue. You can have an opinion on something without shoving it down people's throats or eviscerating them if they disagree.
Do you tell your gay friends this opinion, or do you keep it to yourself?
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote: A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction.
The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often.
If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose. Even if not, is underpopulation an issue at hand?
On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote: B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture. - Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion).
Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture??
1) Is underpopulation an issue? 2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids?
On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote: I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights.
What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B.
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