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On June 25 2013 02:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote:
The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird.
We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go.
Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going.
Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy.
Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better. We were polite a while ago and for a lot of the debate. When the argument degraded down to "Its my opinion to be homophobic," everyone brought out the big guns and pointed out that its a dickish-opinion to have. After all, you choose to have opinions.
Not homophobic. That would imply that I don't have gay friends. That would imply that I don't interact with them on a daily basis.
You know, at this point it's like two people with conflicting religions. Or an atheist and a religious person. Can the two co-exist? Definitely.
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Russian government disapproves... As for me I love SC:BW and SCII equally.
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On June 25 2013 02:39 Butterednuts wrote:
As a gay starcraft player, I'm very happy to see such support from my favorite gaming site.
Thank you very much TeamLiquid.
gotta admit that I laughed when I noticed your nickname
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On June 25 2013 02:58 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:55 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote:
The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird.
We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go.
Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going.
Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy.
Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better. We were polite a while ago and for a lot of the debate. When the argument degraded down to "Its my opinion to be homophobic," everyone brought out the big guns and pointed out that its a dickish-opinion to have. After all, you choose to have opinions. Not homophobic. That would imply that I don't have gay friends. That would imply that I don't interact with them on a daily basis. You know, at this point it's like two people with conflicting religions. Or an atheist and a religious person. Can the two co-exist? Definitely.
I never said you didn't keep your homophobic nature to yourself to avoid the awkward social problems it would create.
Look, I am of the opinion you are homophobic. I am entitled to it. I think your wrong and a trouble person who has issues with people in gay relationships. You can't stop me from having this opinion of you. I am entitled to it, even if you are insulted by it.
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On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction. The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often. If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion). Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture?? 1) Is underpopulation an issue? 2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids?
Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine.
1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control...
2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life.
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Pretty much a case of "View A is the majority" so "View not(A) can go fuck itself". No science or evidence or logic. Sorry for you that you don't agree with us, Qwyn, because apparently you thus don't have the right to be respected.
I don't quite agree with how you're being responded, it makes the whole message feel less progressive than we think it is, haha.
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On June 25 2013 03:05 ZenithM wrote:
Pretty much a case of "View A is the majority" so "View not(A) can go fuck itself". No science or evidence or logic. Sorry for you that you don't agree with us, Qwyn, because apparently you thus don't have the right to be respected.
I don't quite agree with how you're being responded, it makes the whole message feel less progressive than we think it is, haha.
The content of this thread itself renders your "pretty much a case of" entirely wrong.
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On June 25 2013 03:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:58 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 02:55 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 02:50 RockIronrod wrote:
The homophobe is being polite and cordial while everyone else is being endlessly condescending, insulting and hostile. It's weird.
We had the option to take the high ground, be progressive and open minded and treat people who disagree with us with polite firmness to show that our side is filled with better people. That we're right and don't have to resort to ham-fisted bullying and group lynchings to get our point across. You're all + holders, there's a filter button for if someone is relentless despite the fact you've won the argument, and for some reason can't bear the though of not responding to everything they say. At any point you could've just decided 'no more' and just let him go.
Nope, you've got the numbers here, now. Better turn it around and collectively pile shit on a person and keep the cycle of hate going.
Good fucking work guys, you've got a 33 page monument to circlejerking and hypocrisy.
Maybe I was just hopelessly optimistic in thinking that the next step in our society would be any better. We were polite a while ago and for a lot of the debate. When the argument degraded down to "Its my opinion to be homophobic," everyone brought out the big guns and pointed out that its a dickish-opinion to have. After all, you choose to have opinions. Not homophobic. That would imply that I don't have gay friends. That would imply that I don't interact with them on a daily basis. You know, at this point it's like two people with conflicting religions. Or an atheist and a religious person. Can the two co-exist? Definitely. I never said you didn't keep your homophobic nature to yourself to avoid the awkward social problems it would create. Look, I am of the opinion you are homophobic. I am entitled to it. I think your wrong and a trouble person who has issues with people in gay relationships. You can't stop me from having this opinion of you. I am entitled to it, even if you are insulted by it.
That's alright. I know you think I'm a homophobic. A lot of people here do. I've searched inside myself and come to realize a couple things, one that the world is shifting and that as part of our social contract we flow with it. As a progressive I am tolerant, thus I do not attempt to tell people what they should think or do, only what I think or do. Do I think I'm a homophobic? Judging from my experiences with the homosexuals I interact with on a daily basis, no. One can disagree with something without having a "phobia" of it.
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On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction. The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often. If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose. On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion). Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture?? 1) Is underpopulation an issue? 2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids? Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine. 1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control... 2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life.
And we have arrived. I am also religious and that book you are referencing is pretty clear on the subject of loving others and not judging. The judging part is taken care of by people above our pay grade after we pass on.
Also, that book has some messed up stuff that we just ignore, like that slavery is ok, or that we can't touch a pig's skin. I think we can ignore the part about laying with someone's brother.
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On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction. The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often. If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose. On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion). Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture?? 1) Is underpopulation an issue? 2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids? Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine. 1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control... 2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life.
Paul also says that heterosexual marriage is nothing more than an indulgence of temptation. Citing that weirdo isn't going to do your case much good.
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Btw i completely support TL and love that it's doing this!
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Happy Pride Week, everyone!
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On June 25 2013 02:58 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Russian government disapproves... As for me I love SC:BW and SCII equally.
That is just wrong 
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On June 25 2013 03:05 ZenithM wrote:
Pretty much a case of "View A is the majority" so "View not(A) can go fuck itself". No science or evidence or logic. Sorry for you that you don't agree with us, Qwyn, because apparently you thus don't have the right to be respected.
I don't quite agree with how you're being responded, it makes the whole message feel less progressive than we think it is, haha.
It's fine. Thank you for showing respect, but I knew what I'd get coming in here and saying what I have. I'm Christian, and that's simply an explanation of Paul's doctrine from a Christian who's moderate, a realist, and understands the direction that the world's headed. I decided to come back after I said "the end" because I felt upset, even though my brain told me to leave.
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On June 25 2013 03:06 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:05 ZenithM wrote:
Pretty much a case of "View A is the majority" so "View not(A) can go fuck itself". No science or evidence or logic. Sorry for you that you don't agree with us, Qwyn, because apparently you thus don't have the right to be respected.
I don't quite agree with how you're being responded, it makes the whole message feel less progressive than we think it is, haha. The content of this thread itself renders your "pretty much a case of" entirely wrong.
I don't know what you're talking about, but I was only referring to the whole "Qwyn is the scum of the earth" thing.
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On June 25 2013 03:09 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction. The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often. If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose. On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion). Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture?? 1) Is underpopulation an issue? 2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids? Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine. 1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control... 2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life. Paul also says that heterosexual marriage is nothing more than an indulgence of temptation. Citing that weirdo isn't going to do your case much good.
No he does not...He says that if man should marry, it should be according to God's covenant. But yes, he also says that ideally man would live in the image of Jesus. I'm going to avoid making this a religious debate, though.
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On June 25 2013 03:05 ZenithM wrote:
Pretty much a case of "View A is the majority" so "View not(A) can go fuck itself". No science or evidence or logic. Sorry for you that you don't agree with us, Qwyn, because apparently you thus don't have the right to be respected.
I don't quite agree with how you're being responded, it makes the whole message feel less progressive than we think it is, haha.
I haven't actually read exactly what he's said, so my apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but this reminds me of the general point that a lot of Christians make:
"But but but you're not tolerating my intolerance!"
Yea, sorry. Tolerance doesn't mean that we tolerate bigotry. That's an ass-backwards way of thinking that is utterly ridiculous. I'm not going to tolerate a racist or a sexist; I'm going to tell him how much of an idiot he is and boot his ass out of my house. If you can't tell the difference between intolerance (e.g. racism, homophobia, sexism) and not tolerating intolerance (e.g. calling out bigots), then you are just being childish.
Sorry, had to get that out there. I fuckin' hate that line of thinking.
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On June 25 2013 03:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:04 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 02:57 [F_]aths wrote:On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
A. It's an anomaly, since the vast majority of all mammals on earth including humans are heterosexual and the components of sex cater towards reproduction. The vast majority of humans are right-handed. Should a left-hander be disagreed upon his usage of hands? He/she could have been "nurtured" to learn to use the right hand more often. If homosexuality would be disadvantageous to reproduction, why is a percentage of mammals (including humans) still gay? Probably it does have a purpose. On June 25 2013 02:50 Qwyn wrote:
B. People begin to cultivate sexual preference even before sexual hormones are activated during puberty and that the vast majority of our behaviors and tendencies are influenced by culture.
- Thus, as our societies become more accepting of homosexuals and promote homosexuality it is reasonable to postulate that an increase in homosexuality would occur as a result of that (another great opinion). Whats wrong with acceptance and cultivation of gay culture?? 1) Is underpopulation an issue? 2) Can't gay couples adopt kids and still do something for parentless kids? Because I am religious. And that is part of my reasoning for the popularization of Paul's doctrine, with whom originated the New Testament idea that homosexuality is a "sin," if you will. A modern take on an age old doctrine. 1. Overpopulation is an issue - part of the cultural shift of sex to predominantly an act of pleasure, the use of birth control... 2. I have no problem with gay couples adopting children. I have no right to say what people can or cannot do in their personal life. And we have arrived. I am also religious and that book you are referencing is pretty clear on the subject of loving others and not judging. The judging part is taken care of by people above our pay grade after we pass on. Also, that book has some messed up stuff that we just ignore, like that slavery is ok, or that we can't touch a pig's skin. I think we can ignore the part about laying with someone's brother.
As a religious straigth guy, I fully endorse this.
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On June 24 2013 23:29 SChlafmann wrote:So, anyhow related to Teaja or not at all?  I'm curious, I want an official statement, nao! It would be so huge to have a great pgm being gay, real mind-change.
Statistically speaking, there should be at least a couple of gay pro gamers.
5-10% of males are supposedly gay, so it's not far fetched to assume two of the top 25 are gays.
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